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Thread: Ukraine

  1. #18501
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    That's backwards. President Trump has weakened American Russian sanctions since taking office. The EU and the UK are already sanctioning Russia's shadow oil tanker fleet. But Russia's fleet keeps growing because EU sanctions are not enough. The United States must join Europe's effort. US sanctions pack a punch, European ones don't

    So more sanctions on energy, Russian refined products, Russia's shadow oil tanker fleet, Chinese banks who do business with Russia, sanction all tech, sanction countries that act as pass throughs for Russia.

    In addition to sanctions:
    - Ironclad Western security guarantees
    - No limitations on Ukraine's military size
    - No Russian veto over EU accession and joining Nato
    - No decisions over territory without Ukraine's consent
    - Oil price cap remains place &
    - Sanctions stay in place until Russia pays to rebuild the damage it caused in Ukraine

  2. #18502
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    Plus Russia gives back all territory including the occupied areas from 2014r whenever it was, plus Crimea and the naval base lease is null and void. Plus a 200 km strip inside Russia and on the black Sea where Russia is not allowed to have any military assets of any kind, including electronic warning systems. Border guards to be issued nightsticks and tasers.

  3. #18503
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    "In addition to sanctions:
    - Ironclad Western security guarantees
    - No limitations on Ukraine's military size
    - No Russian veto over EU accession and joining Nato
    - No decisions over territory without Ukraine's consent
    - Oil price cap remains place &
    - Sanctions stay in place until Russia pays to rebuild the damage it caused in Ukraine".

    I guess hell has frozen over as I finally agree with you on something.
    And what Riser said.

  4. #18504
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    Gotta say seven months later and the WH meeting between Trump and Zelensky along with European leaders went much better than the one in January. As if this guy wasn't even there:


  5. #18505
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    I shudder to think of how much more fucked we'd be if that guy had to take over for the current guy.

  6. #18506
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    I don’t think he’d be as able to bully Congress. Devil you know. I’d take my chances w the couch fucker

  7. #18507
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    Immediate NATO membership, with a 60 day grace period for the removal of all Russian forces back to the pre-Crimea invasion boarder before activating Article 5.

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