Ukraine

[Benny Profane]

Doomsday.

[The SnowShow]

They’re messing with you.

There have been hundreds of atmospheric nuclear bombs detonated for testing and hundreds more underground. 43 of them were on a single atoll in the Pacific.

Total nuclear detonations is around 2000.

Clearly bombs hitting cities and infrastructure would be worse. Though I’m unsure about total megatons of testing vs weaponry currently.

I know. I guess I thought that nuclear bombs that were tested above ground were smaller than what would likely be deployed by the Russians to destroy cities.

This whole conflict has me sick. Dirty, thermobaric or nuclear bombing. It’s all so fucked up.

[ex-powderbroker]

when the ICBM are incoming, there will be no interceptions. the retaliation will start before interceptions would be possible...

so those installations only protect against short and medium range? well, there goes the neighborhood.

anyway seeing belarus is getting involved per ukrainian intel, they are expecting paratroopers from the north. fucking autocrats man.

eta shit:

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/...jN7xIGagF2l4pA

[Cono Este]

so those installations only protect against short and medium range? well, there goes the neighborhood.

anyway seeing belarus is getting involved per ukrainian intel, they are expecting paratroopers from the north. fucking autocrats man.

eta shit:

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/...jN7xIGagF2l4pA

They must have pretty good control of an airport around Kiev.


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[The Reverend Floater]

Nuclear war is a zero sum game. Putin would literally have to be insane as 99% of the world's population would die if both countries unleased their respective arsenals. This would almost certainly be the case, should even one ICBM be launched. I don't see this happening, no matter the hysteria.

Grey area would be a tactical nuke. I can't imagine Europe or the US staying out of the conflict in that event. I'd expect Russian military bases around the region to be leveled and their airforce neutralized, for starters. Then what?

[dunfree]

Incredible art. Great Wiki read too.

Contrast that this image with todays 24 hr news cycle, social media, the memosphere etc kinda makes the head spin. We still basic AF.

One of Stalins favorite artists!

Is Putin insane is perhaps a better framing.

[summit]

Well, Hitler had a ton of shit going on, and, strategically, Finland could be ignored for a bit. Didnt matter.

What are you even talking about?

The Russians finished their successful joint invasion of Poland and a month later got into invading Finland ultimately sending 600K men, 5K tanks and armored vehicles, and 4K aircraft. Not really "ignoring" or half measures in numbers, but the Russian military had no competent leaders thanks to Stalin's purges, and they invaded with unwilling conscripts who died in huge numbers thanks to shit leadership, shit equipment, and highly motivated and capable Finns.

[Benny Profane]

Putin has to declare a bank holiday

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-sanctions-hit

[frorider]

They must have pretty good control of an airport around Kiev.


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[summit]

They’re messing with you.

There have been hundreds of atmospheric nuclear bombs detonated for testing and hundreds more underground. 43 of them were on a single atoll in the Pacific.

Total nuclear detonations is around 2000.

Clearly bombs hitting cities and infrastructure would be worse. Though I’m unsure about total megatons of testing vs weaponry currently.

Largest weapon tested in atmosphere by Russia was 50,000kt though they tested several in the 20,000kt range. Largest US atmospheric test was 15,000kt.

Most Russian ICBM warheads are in the 500kt to 800kt range. Most US ICBM warheads are 300kt to 475kt (more accurate so they can be smaller).

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were 12kt to 20kt depending on calculation.

Tactical nuclear weapons may be a few tens of kt to <1kt.

[happytimefunbox]

Buncha retired operators from the US (and the UK) in UA now. Watchout for the motherfucker who goes to war barefooted. Give em hell boys!

Edit to add=The Murder Canoe Crew!

IG@raoulduke_69



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[Cono Este]

Nuclear war is a zero sum game. Putin would literally have to be insane as 99% of the world's population would die if both countries unleased their respective arsenals. This would almost certainly be the case, should even one ICBM be launched. I don't see this happening, no matter the hysteria.

Grey area would be a tactical nuke. I can't imagine Europe or the US staying out of the conflict in that event. I'd expect Russian military bases around the region to be leveled and their airforce neutralized, for starters. Then what?

I think he would hit a non nuclear country first. Like Poland. The question is what do we then?

Something someone pointed out to me tonight is that there is a big difference between sending him manpads and anti tank rockets before the shooting started vs. sending them after. I’m glad we are, but it does raise the stakes a bit.


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[Benny Profane]

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Jesus, the word police are everywhere.

[leroy jenkins]

This is genius...

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Yea I've seen a few videos of captured russian soldiers and they just do not look like their hearts were ever in this at all. One showed a guy captured by a handful of civilians they had him in a car driving and they joked with him to say slava ukraine and they were so good natured about it you could see him have to repress a smile like he honestly almost wanted to.



So weird to see things like a tractor towing an out of gas BMP through the streets unescorted and seemingly unarmed. I know cell phones are showing more than other wards but I gotta think that wasn't happening in iraq or other places. crazy.

[bennymac]

Jesus, the word police are everywhere.

STFU Boris

[ex-powderbroker]

benny from the bloc

[eleeskiing]

Jesus, the word police are everywhere.

Wow. Criticizing Ukraine while they are being shelled. Classy.

Is your pharmacy open tomorrow? You need a refill.

[leroy jenkins]

Is he really a communist, though? I mean, maybe in the Stalinist ‘dacha’ owners sense, perhaps. But his extensive personal wealth is far, far beyond what any communist in history ever had command of. He is more of an oligarch than a comrade, IMO.

Is china either? These countries are authoritarian, communism is just the means to that, and becoming just window dressing.

My little prediction for the future/rant, a lot of the differences in government and society are gettign boiled down to do weither or not the individual is valuable, has autonomy and sanctity, or is a resource. Communist nations that embrace capitalism for its power, and supposedly democratic but in fact dictatorship with a hardon for monarchy and communism type countries or whatever russia is, are actually just authoritarian. Thats it. They exist on the principle that the individual doesn't matter.

The west has been undermined by corporations that erode the rights and autonomy of the individual, and are owned and/or controlled by the worlds wealthiest people that also do bussiness with china, and formerly with russia, and with chinese companies that in fact are state owned or state controlled by the authoritarian state that wants to undermine freedom.

Oligarch sure. He uses communist and czarist nostalgia interchangably to influence his people. Its all just irrelivant, if you're the strongman in charge you get to call it whatever you want to call it. I think the people of the world, russia included, are getting wise and are sick of it.

[summit]

99% of the world's population would die if both countries unleased their respective arsenals. This would almost certainly be the case, should even one ICBM be launched.

Not even close. The death toll would be horrific, but nuclear winter is not a thing with current arsenals and actually very few cities would be targeted. This is gonna sound weird, and I'm happy to go into the detail to explain it, but there aren't enough warheads to hit all except maybe the largest cities and there isn't enough yield in the arsenals for nuclear winter (a massive total exchange between US and Russia would be <500MT versus the height of the 60s Cold War when it could have been up to 20,000MT.

If you want to understand the technical aspects, Gladstone is the primer. A knowledge of general Russian and US nuclear doctrine and tech over time combined with rough active stockpiles is key to projecting the gross effects of a massive exchange.

A massive exchange would be horrific, end countless lives, generate untold suffering, and the involved governments would fall. May it never happen. However, it wouldn't kill most people nor end civilization.

Grey area would be a tactical nuke. I can't imagine Europe or the US staying out of the conflict in that event.

What would make us charge in at that point and not before? Moral certitude and a death wish? Only a fool voluntarily joins nuclear conflict. Only the heir to throne of the kingdom of idiots voluntarily joins a nuclear conflict conventionally!

[ghosthop]

If you say why not bomb the Soviets tomorrow, I say, why not today? If you say today at five o'clock, I say why not one o'clock?

John was in contention for our son's first name and is still being considered for the second.

[summit]

I think he would hit a non nuclear country first. Like Poland. The question is what do we then?

That is colossally stupid and counter to all deterrence theory. Nuking NATO has always meant that the aggressor receives prompt retaliatory nukes right back in their face. Any other response is the dissolution of NATO and surrendering Europe to the nuclear aggressor.

You nuke NATO, NATO nukes you, so don't nuke NATO. Da? Deterrence is amazingly simple in that way.

Something someone pointed out to me tonight is that there is a big difference between sending him manpads and anti tank rockets before the shooting started vs. sending them after. I’m glad we are, but it does raise the stakes a bit.

Sure, just like when the Russians were supplying the North Vietnamese with SAMs, tanks, and fighters (complete with Russian pilots) while they were fighting the US or when we were giving the Muj stinger missiles while they were killing Russians in Afghanistan?

Both sides took care not to accidently target the other side's "advisors" lest it be construed as an intentional targeting of US/Russia by the other necessitating retaliation and possibly escalation.

Proxy wars are not a new thing for NATO and Russia. Sucks to fight one, but it sucks more to be the proxy. Russia made both choices here eh?

[PNWbrit]

Jesus, the word police are everywhere.

Shut the fuck up you stupid cunt.

[Tri-Ungulate]

The Snake Island solders are in the history books now. 'Russian warship, go fuck yourself." billboards appearing in Dnipro.

If I was a better student of history I would have known UA has been honing their shit-talking prowess for centuries.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reply_...zhian_Cossacks

Modern-day version

[summit]

Does the US have any type of nuclear weapon deterrent system? If Russia decided to point all their nukes at the US and fire, would they pretty much all hit their targets? Or do we have the technology to blow them up in the sky on their way like the Israeli Iron Dome?

The deterrent is our nuclear deterrent force which is capable of guaranteeing that no Russian attack could be carried out without a retaliation appropriately devastating their political-military infrastructure. That means we have the ability to detect a Russian strike, the ability to command and launch a counterstrike, that our weapons will work only when ordered by the NCA, and we have the will to order the strike if need be.

We have a limited capability to intercept incoming ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and bombers but it was meant to deal with rogue, accidental, or small strikes from irrational actors (basically, North Korea or Iran). Our defense would only neutralize a small fraction of a full Russian attack.

It is always better to prevent an attack through deterrence and diplomacy than to defend against one in progress.

NORAD has been probably quite abuzz lately because they see every single one of those Russian Iskandar SRBM launches on the SBIRS (early warning sats) realtime.

Also, have we thought about the astronauts on the ISS? Are the Russians and Americans/Germans up there just going about their business as usual? Putin just straight threatened to let that thing fall out of the sky onto the US or Europe.

"Ground Control to Major Tom... depressurize the module with the fucking Ruskies in it."

But seriously, ever see the movie 2010: The Year We Made Contact?

My suspicion is the astronauts would probably say "fuck you" to ground control. The view from up their is transformative and enlightening, I am told.

[Cono Este]

That is colossally stupid and counter to all deterrence theory. Nuking NATO has always meant that the aggressor receives prompt retaliatory nukes right back in their face. Any other response is the dissolution of NATO and surrendering Europe to the nuclear aggressor.

You nuke NATO, NATO nukes you, so don't nuke NATO. Da? Deterrence is amazingly simple in that way.



Sure, just like when the Russians were supplying the North Vietnamese with SAMs, tanks, and fighters (complete with Russian pilots) or when we were giving the Muj stinger missiles while they were killing Russians in Afghanistan?

Both sides took care not to accidently target the other side's "advisors" lest it be construed as an intentional targeting of US/Russia by the other necessitating retaliation and possibly escalation.

Yes, he hits Nato and we have to hit back. But I think how we hit back is still open to decision.

EU basically said they are sending Ukraine migs from member states that have them.
That’s probably the biggest news of the day.

Going to be an interesting week. Wish I could just go skiing.


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