ON3P SKIS Discussion

[PowTron]

Preface: I’m 6ft, 240#. Strong skier [emoji1303]. Lighter skiers may have a different experience.

I shared this earlier in the thread, but I was a big fan of the 185 flipcore Cochise as well. I just had my first day on the 186 Wren 110 Pros and I feel like my assumption was correct that it would be a similar evolution.

- Cochise has a lower swing weight, this does make them easier to pilot in moguls
- the tip on the wrens is superior, this could be a preference but my initial feelings were that the taper on the tip of the Cochise, while helping with its ability to “rail”, didn’t help in soft snow and mixed conditions. Absolutely prefer the wren tip.

I still need more time on the Wrens 110 Pros for a full review, here are some of my initial thoughts:

- impressive levels of stability in all snow conditions
- it feels like a Cochise underfoot but has that signature ON3P tip, seriously making crud and mixed snow conditions more enjoyable
- as someone who really enjoys a flat tail, it’s there and it’s real. However it’s not nearly as punishing as let’s say the tail on the DPS L120, which is a 2x4. It will punish improper technique but has significantly more room play around with before “correcting you”.
- they’re actually not the stiffest ON3P ski I’ve been on. The 193 Supergoats (Stiff layup) are stiffer, even with the metal in the Wren Pros.
- significantly damper feeling that the Cochise, requires a bit more energy to bring alive, this is probably because of the less camber more flat
- they STOMP, really awesome platform for landings

Overall I thought it was way more fun, all the benefits and none of the negatives. I’m hooked and stoked. Looking forward to bringing them to bigger terrain once low tide fills in a bit more here in the West.

^^^^ What this guy said.

[jackattack]

Those are on my short list for custom order next summer. Sounds like the perfect ski for me.

[FullStop]

2nd day on the J116s, I'm a big fan.

[shroom]

good shit good shit, love my caylor and k116 for similar terrain

i got my new woodsman 96 out for a few laps yesterday but they were super sharp and it was deep so i conceded and switched out for the day. looking forward to another go after a bunch of gummy time to see if i can wrangle em

[undertow2]

2nd day on the J116s, I'm a big fan.

Nice skiing their FS - a couple of those hits made my knees hurt... And J116s are a blast...!


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[Bandit Man]

Updated the quiver pic thread, so thought I would throw this in the ON3P thread, too... [emoji16]




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[nickbokhoven]

Updated the quiver pic thread, so thought I would throw this in the ON3P thread, too... [emoji16]




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You set the bar high
I showed this to my wife and told her we have a ways to go


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[RockChalk]

Preface: I’m 6ft, 240#. Strong skier [emoji1303]. Lighter skiers may have a different experience.

I shared this earlier in the thread, but I was a big fan of the 185 flipcore Cochise as well. I just had my first day on the 186 Wren 110 Pros and I feel like my assumption was correct that it would be a similar evolution.

- Cochise has a lower swing weight, this does make them easier to pilot in moguls
- the tip on the wrens is superior, this could be a preference but my initial feelings were that the taper on the tip of the Cochise, while helping with its ability to “rail”, didn’t help in soft snow and mixed conditions. Absolutely prefer the wren tip.

I still need more time on the Wrens 110 Pros for a full review, here are some of my initial thoughts:

- impressive levels of stability in all snow conditions
- it feels like a Cochise underfoot but has that signature ON3P tip, seriously making crud and mixed snow conditions more enjoyable
- as someone who really enjoys a flat tail, it’s there and it’s real. However it’s not nearly as punishing as let’s say the tail on the DPS L120, which is a 2x4. It will punish improper technique but has significantly more room play around with before “correcting you”.
- they’re actually not the stiffest ON3P ski I’ve been on. The 193 Supergoats (Stiff layup) are stiffer, even with the metal in the Wren Pros.
- significantly damper feeling that the Cochise, requires a bit more energy to bring alive, this is probably because of the less camber more flat
- they STOMP, really awesome platform for landings

Overall I thought it was way more fun, all the benefits and none of the negatives. I’m hooked and stoked. Looking forward to bringing them to bigger terrain once low tide fills in a bit more here in the West.

We are similar height/weight - FKNA stoked to get on these. The only downsides of the OG Cochise for me were deeper snow and I'd have liked a bit more playfulness/poppiness. Thought the Line SN 108 would provide that and I ended up back in bed with the Cochise.

[margotron]

2gr ?!? Holy. Those look might fine

Surprised you haven't picked up the 189 BGs on Finn yet

what's finn

[mr_pretzel]

what's finn

Norwegian craigslist

[grinch]

Someone may want these. CAD so almost free99 in USD



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[SkiLyft]

Came to say to anyone on the fence about custom orders on a super goat do not shy away.

Day 4 on em today.

Conditions
1” overnight with 5-6” which fell in the first 2 hours of the day followed by bluebird.

Conclusion: these things are stupid good!

Some more detailed thoughts,
- the extra tip in front makes them absolute stomp machines when sending anything. Doesn’t mater if your a bit forward or back they will ride out anything.
- the lower tail rocker really helps them engage in all conditions and when laid on edge they rail across ANYTHING (save blue ice).
- I thought my BG were damp but this ride is fucking Cadillac... THEY give no fucks.
- they also store energy better, the tails on the BG wash out and make loading them for pop a bit challenging but the profile on the SG and extra length really solves this.

Lastly, when the storm rolled in, it was a bit wet/cream cheesy. In those conditions the tails did feel a bit locked in (only in super tight trees) vs the BG but again for the positive attributes I noted above I think it’s a fine tradeoff. They, by no means, were scary at all they just require more skier input to slarve a turn.

Not goats in the pic but this post needs a bit of stoke from today.



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[shroom]

We are similar height/weight - FKNA stoked to get on these. The only downsides of the OG Cochise for me were deeper snow and I'd have liked a bit more playfulness/poppiness. Thought the Line SN 108 would provide that and I ended up back in bed with the Cochise.

i got what you seek from the 189 wren 108, just not the same metal ski on 2d snow performance

if i could flex the tail on my 193 cochise they’d prolly still be my daily, but i like to pop when it’s soft

[jacob_dbu]

Came to say to anyone on the fence about custom orders on a super goat do not shy away.

Day 4 on em today.

Conditions
1” overnight with 5-6” which fell in the first 2 hours of the day followed by bluebird.

Conclusion: these things are stupid good!

Some more detailed thoughts,
- the extra tip in front makes them absolute stomp machines when sending anything. Doesn’t mater if your a bit forward or back they will ride out anything.
- the lower tail rocker really helps them engage in all conditions and when laid on edge they rail across ANYTHING (save blue ice).
- I thought my BG were damp but this ride is fucking Cadillac... THEY give no fucks.
- they also store energy better, the tails on the BG wash out and make loading them for pop a bit challenging but the profile on the SG and extra length really solves this.

Lastly, when the storm rolled in, it was a bit wet/cream cheesy. In those conditions the tails did feel a bit locked in (only in super tight trees) vs the BG but again for the positive attributes I noted above I think it’s a fine tradeoff. They, by no means, were scary at all they just require more skier input to slarve a turn.

Not goats in the pic but this post needs a bit of stoke from today.



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I didn’t realize SGs have a different profile. I skied my BGs for a second time today in overhead blower and although they float great, I actually don’t like how fast and easy you can wash out the tails. It requires you to really be on your toes.

[Bandit Man]

I must have gotten an odd pair, but the rocker height and length of my first run, standard flex SG’s is the exact same dimensions as my 189 stock BG’s from the same year.

That being said, glad to see the BG/SG stoke rolling. Hoping to get on my SG’s this week.

[kid-kapow]

Updated the quiver pic thread, so thought I would throw this in the ON3P thread, too...

hah - if I did not know better then I'd think that your household has a slight preference for BGs

I must have gotten an odd pair, but the rocker height and length of my first run, standard flex SG’s is the exact same dimensions as my 189 stock BG’s from the same year.

Yeah, the dimensions are slighly different re the original thread. Lots of stoke in there, so well worth a scroll.

The baddest ski we've ever made.

SuperGoat Limited Run
...
- 144/118/127 (2mm wider waist, 1mm wider in tip and tail vs stock BG)
- 193cm Length Only
- 147.5cm EE (slightly flatter tail than stock BG)
- 29.9m radius
- RES
- Asym
- Flex Options:
Stock = Normal Billy Goat
Stiff = 1.5x Normal Carbon
Aevergreen = 2x Normal Carbon

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Came to say to anyone on the fence about custom orders on a super goat do not shy away.

Nice!

Do I read it correctly if I understand that SGs are a tad bit more permissive of being driven through the shovels than BGs due to the more supportive tails?

[SkiLyft]

Do I read it correctly if I understand that SGs are a tad bit more permissive of being driven through the shovels than BGs due to the more supportive tails?

When on edge yes, The BG definitely utilizes a more neutral upright stance. I found that I could push into the ski a bit more on the SG and when I did they really shined.



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[kid-kapow]

When on edge yes, The BG definitely utilizes a more neutral upright stance. I found that I could push into the ski a bit more on the SG and when I did they really shined.

Nice - thanks for the reply!

Now if there only existed a SG for us shorter/lighter peeps

[SkiLyft]

Nice - thanks for the reply!

Now if there only existed a SG for us shorter/lighter peeps

I think if that tail shape went to the BG it would allow people to ski it more aggressively and get rid of the characteristics which make lazy skiing permissible.


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[Sessiøn]

Nice - thanks for the reply!

Now if there only existed a SG for us shorter/lighter peeps

BG Ti?

[jackattack]

Nice - thanks for the reply!

Now if there only existed a SG for us shorter/lighter peeps

More beer?

[eSock]

I think if that tail shape went to the BG it would allow people to ski it more aggressively and get rid of the characteristics which make lazy skiing permissible.


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And here I thought the BGs were just making me a stronger skier

[kid-kapow]

I think if that tail shape went to the BG it would allow people to ski it more aggressively and get rid of the characteristics which make lazy skiing permissible.

Don't get me wrong - I think the current BG is really nice as is, so no need to change it. It is a fantastic ski for certain uses.

Also, not every ski out there need to cater to the 1% most chargiest of skiers, so if its current characteristics is what makes it so beloved and versatile, then why change them?

But a slightly beefier/more supportive version - even if it was only offered through a specific custom window - that enables one to drive the ski more through the front part of the ski, yet retain most of its looseness, would compliment the BG offering really well. A BGesque ski for days one wants to rage a bit harder. Something like a shorter SG (something I only mention since Iggy has mentioned it previously).

Do I need it? No, probably not. Would I want it, yeah - probably, if it was offered. Though to be honest - for me that would be a 2022 or beyond project, not something I can get aboard right now

[Sessiøn]

Don't get me wrong - I think the current BG is really nice as is, so no need to change it. It is a fantastic ski for certain uses.

Also, not every ski out there need to cater to the 1% most chargiest of skiers, so if its current characteristics is what makes it so beloved and versatile, then why change them?

But a slightly beefier/more supportive version - even if it was only offered through a specific custom window - that enables one to drive the ski more through the front part of the ski, yet retain most of its looseness, would compliment the BG offering really well. A BGesque ski for days one wants to rage a bit harder. Something like a shorter SG (something I only mention since Iggy has mentioned it previously).

Do I need it? No, probably not. Would I want it, yeah - probably, if it was offered. Though to be honest - for me that would be a 2022 or beyond project, not something I can get aboard right now

This will always be an issue with a popular ski. It will never be 100% of what everyone wants it to be. And the ones with the most issues will be the most vocal on TGR.

[counterfeitfake]

I have a maybe really really dumb question:

I've got asym BGs from a couple years ago. Which ski is left and which is right? If the topsheets say explicitly, it must be covered up by my binding. Does the flag go on the right?

I ask because I've been having a hard time with these things in heavy snow and sticky hardpack. I figured it was intuitive, it should look like the rounder side goes on the outside, but I'm checking everything now. I gave them a fresh wax and hand tune myself before skiing deep and heavy pow at Crystal yesterday. Tried to generously detune the tips and tails. The next step might be a real stone grind and full tune. Before I decide I just don't like 'em... sacrilege, I know.