ON3P SKIS Discussion

[galibier_numero_un]

116 is the same. There's a bit of a notch for the tail clips. It holds skin clips beautifully.

Thanks, not that this was ever a show stopper, but it seemed odd to me that the tails wouldn't be skin clip friendly.

I have to confess that I'm wobbling / weakening (184 now vs. wait for the next production run of 179s). It's not as if I'm having much of a season (at least the early Winter), but a fella has to hang on to their principles when it comes to quiver building ;-)

... Thom

[adrenalated]

Here's what the BGT tail looks like, FYI

[paal]

More BGT108 pics (with 16/17 BG for scale)
Weight is probably not correct, but at least shows how close they are.

[kid-kapow]

2gr ?!? Holy. Those look might fine

Surprised you haven't picked up the 189 BGs on Finn yet

[paal]

hehe, I've been close a few times.

[N1CK.]

1730, damn.

those look GREAT, btw.

[kid-kapow]

hehe, I've been close a few times.

you'll be kicking yourself for not getting these non-asym ones when your current pair wear out in a decade or so

And yeah, N1CK choose a better adjective than me - those look sensational.

[Dr. Crank]

Hey Folks,
Quick Canada shipping question (i'm sure this has been covered somewhere already but not sure where)
Picking up some Jeff108s to complete my quiver (between my kartel 98s and billy goats, and to replace my deathwishes). Usually I would get them when visiting Portland and carry them back to Canada (Alberta), but obviously can't do that now. And no local shops carry them.

Does anyone know if there are extra border duty taxes/brokerage fees? (I read somewhere that there should not be for skis made in the US).

On the ON3P website, shipping to CA (FedEx) is only coming out to 30$, but I think it used to be more? (perhaps to cover fees?).
I talked to someone at Powder7, where it would by 45$ (through USPS int'l priority), but they had no idea about additional fees.

I got some skis in from ON3P recently. When they arrived FedEx hit me up for $57 in fees. I’m not sure exactly what that was for, GST maybe? I think you’re right that duties don’t apply to US made skis.

I’ve only had them out for one day but so far I gotta say I am loving the Woodsman. Had them out on groomers, fresh, and chopped up powder and it was all a lot of fun

[cocoapuff]

Love that throwback topsheet with the updated logo. Every time I ask ON3P about older topsheets they just say this season and last season's. Then I see some of these updated classics. Wish they had a database on website of all potentially available.

QC on point over there in Portland with those weights

[kid-kapow]

they do - kinda: https://issuu.com/on3pskis

ON3P has such a wealth of incredible graphics that it is a pity that not all are show cased in the builder or on their webpage!

[galibier_numero_un]

Here's what the BGT tail looks like, FYI

Thanks. The photos on the website must be from am early build before the wiggle was added.

... Thom

[kid-kapow]

A skin clip tail has been a standard feature on ON3P's touring skis since at least 2014 - aka the introduction of the Steeple - and a standard 50usd upcharge option in the ski builder since it was launched, so fear not

sorry for the rapid fire commentary here - I do not mean for every other post to be by me

[RockChalk]

Just picked up a screamin deal on some new Wren 108 Ti's - coming off of the original flipcore Cochise and loved that ski to death (quite literally). Anyone ridden both and willing to provide comparisons between the two?

[the_flying_v]

Any BG fans considered building out a BG108 with an inbounds layup? Especially now that people are touring on BG108's. Just seems like the perfect DD for resorts with average snowfall and lots of trees. Or is RES not a good idea on your daily driver?

For reference I've skied Wrens, Woods, and Jeffs. Never BGs.

Yes. I’ve wanted this ski for a couple seasons and stoked to have it.

Mounting next week after crowds settle down and will do a quick write up post storm.

19/20 Wren 96ti for dusting and dry. This is my daily driver.

20/21 108 BG full bamboo new snow up to 14”.

14/15 BG for anything more.

That’s the idea anyways. We’ll see how it shakes out.

[TeleBeaver]

Any BG fans considered building out a BG108 with an inbounds layup? Especially now that people are touring on BG108's. Just seems like the perfect DD for resorts with average snowfall and lots of trees. Or is RES not a good idea on your daily driver?

For reference I've skied Wrens, Woods, and Jeffs. Never BGs.

Personally I don't see the point of a narrow goat inbounds. Correct me if I am off on this, but for touring the idea is that going narrow will significantly reduce weight. If I am going narrower for an inbounds ski, it is because of hard snow. RES is such a soft snow oriented design that I can't see a 108 BG being significantly better on hard pack than a 118 BG. Easier to get on edge sure and maybe easier on the knees, but it isn't like the width reduction is gonna make them rail groomers. By the time my skis are under 110ish in width I want a bit more versatile shape. That's one reason I went C&D over BG, if I am going soft snow oriented anyway, I'll take the extra surface area (plus the softer flex).

In a touring application the 108 BG is very attractive to me and is definitely on the wish list for next winter as a soft snow daily touring ski. RES makes short work of wind crusts and upside down or reheated snow that you often get in the BC.

[paal]

Love that throwback topsheet with the updated logo. Every time I ask ON3P about older topsheets they just say this season and last season's. Then I see some of these updated classics. Wish they had a database on website of all potentially available.

QC on point over there in Portland with those weights

Top level QC indeed. 2 grams!

I guess I was just lucky this time with the topsheets. Sent them an eMail and got back:

Amazingly (as we have very few old tops) we do have this one.

Very happy with how they turned out.
I asked for some 13/14 BG and CD tops a few seasons back but no luck then.

EDIT:
Oh, and about the skin clip tails being discussed:
I specifically asked for regular, non skin clip tails. (I've had my skins fall off MAYBE three times on skis with standard tails? ...didn't see the need for it) Still, skis came with notched tails. Not that I mind; didn't pay for it, so...)

[SupreChicken]

Just a reminder that in any wet snow, 191 billy goat is king. Schmoo all over the pass for New Years. Just destroying steep untracked trees that no one else wanted. Total sleeper day. Glad I left the bent chetlers behind. Not a day for light skis.

[kid-kapow]

ah shit, my bad Iggy and mags - I must have been lucky with them having the ones I requested in stock on both occasions when I ordered custom skis. I can but appologize that/if I caused any confusion and frustration if my "all previous stock graphics are an option" assumption is indeed wrong.

If anybody wants to see some close ups of woods102s: https://www.skitalk.com/threads/on3p...man-102.20804/

Man paal - the more I look at it that graphic the more I like it - it is sensational. The last time a graphic grew on me this much was when SF posted his custom Wren108s with the blue/white BG graphics, which caused me to pick that graphic when I ordered my Woodsman116s. Though pretty much any year C&Ds are also hard to pass up on if I go for a custom pair again in the future - they all look so incredibly nice. Like the ones Gman posted a while back - hot damn.

Sorry if I am stealing a fellow mag's thunder, but these were posted here and thought I should share as they are just looking so mighty fine. They are described as:

Daily - Wood Veneer Woodsman 108
Pow/Sled skis - Purple Fade BillyGoat
Volcano/tour ski - Black Fade Woodsman 102 Tour

a+ quiver game there imho

[paal]

^ Hehe. Yeah, so many awesome graphics. That blue/white BG (I assume 15/16) is one of my absolute favorites as well

Personally I don't see the point of a narrow goat inbounds. Correct me if I am off on this, but for touring the idea is that going narrow will significantly reduce weight. If I am going narrower for an inbounds ski, it is because of hard snow. RES is such a soft snow oriented design that I can't see a 108 BG being significantly better on hard pack than a 118 BG. Easier to get on edge sure and maybe easier on the knees, but it isn't like the width reduction is gonna make them rail groomers. By the time my skis are under 110ish in width I want a bit more versatile shape. That's one reason I went C&D over BG, if I am going soft snow oriented anyway, I'll take the extra surface area (plus the softer flex).

In a touring application the 108 BG is very attractive to me and is definitely on the wish list for next winter as a soft snow daily touring ski. RES makes short work of wind crusts and upside down or reheated snow that you often get in the BC.

Yeah. I was playing around with the idea of getting a 50-50 layup for my BG108 and mounting them with shifts, but I came to the same conclusion: If conditions inbounds would not favor my regular BGs I would probably want something more hard snow specific than the 108s anyways.

As for a touring specific version, the weight between the two are fairly close but that weight is not all that matters. Size of skin tracks, more area for snow-buildup on skis and even the few extra grams of skin-weight... it all adds up

[cocoapuff]

I guess to be more clear, the idea of a BG108 isn't really to have a ski that will also perform well on hardpack. I probably shouldn't have used the term "Daily Driver." I just rarely have the need for a ski wider than 110mm. Especially since most ON3Ps punch well above their width for float. And i'm light, 150lbs. 90% of my inbounds skiing is in 2-12" of snow. Don't normally ride the lifts if it hasn't snowed more than a few, and we rarely get dumps over a foot in Missoula. I find the 108mm to be ideal for almost any soft snow conditions I encounter.

Personally I don't see the point of a narrow goat inbounds. Correct me if I am off on this, but for touring the idea is that going narrow will significantly reduce weight. If I am going narrower for an inbounds ski, it is because of hard snow. RES is such a soft snow oriented design that I can't see a 108 BG being significantly better on hard pack than a 118 BG. Easier to get on edge sure and maybe easier on the knees, but it isn't like the width reduction is gonna make them rail groomers. By the time my skis are under 110ish in width I want a bit more versatile shape. That's one reason I went C&D over BG, if I am going soft snow oriented anyway, I'll take the extra surface area (plus the softer flex).

In a touring application the 108 BG is very attractive to me and is definitely on the wish list for next winter as a soft snow daily touring ski. RES makes short work of wind crusts and upside down or reheated snow that you often get in the BC.

[the_flying_v]

^ same. I’m on the lighter side of the spectrum so I think a 108 will do just fine when it comes to float.

Wanted this ski for quicker edge to edge transfer than BG116. Slightly more nimble in West Basin. Steep and tight here.

[beeeom]

Goat stampede today. holy fuck! still can't believe what these things can do

[Bandit Man]

Goat stampede today. holy fuck! still can't believe what these things can do

That vintage is THE best soft snow Goat. So quick, so stable, so loose, so floaty.

[kid-kapow]

Well besides there being simply more tail length, the shape and stiffness play in for sure. I felt the tail of the WD108 wanting to lock into a turn despite re-tuning, but similar class members like the M-Free 108 don't seem to generate this complaint and are perhaps less stiff or use a different curve blend out of the sidecut.

I am happy to report after two full days of use post-tune that my woodsman108s has loosened up a lot after I retuned the edges. They feel great. They are loose off the groomers, but are also surprisingly strong on groomers. I can but wonder how woodsman102s or 96s might be on groomers because the 108s are great there - so solid grip wise and to get speed from the tails. Zero complaints of the tails locking into turns in any type of snow - ice, man made ice/slush/snow, hard snow or fresh.

So if you still have your pair Norse, I would def suggest going over the edges one more time, check the base bevel at 1degree and detune the shit out if the edges after the contact points. I am very confident that my pair will be pretty amazing when they are fully broken in.

My woodsman116s still are still in need of a bit more tuning - especially out back where they exhibit some of the behaviour you describe above for your 108s, but I expect them to come along nicely too with a bit more tuning. They slay variable though, even if they are not quite BGesque. Somewhat surprisingly they feel like a lot more ski than the 108s.

My newly acquired Lange XT3 130s ski nicely too, even if my insoles are in need of renewal - aka a bit of a painfest at times now.

Stock layup ON3Ps + Shifts + XT3s compliment each other really well - recommended for max FOMO versatility.

[CAPHILL]

Just picked up a screamin deal on some new Wren 108 Ti's - coming off of the original flipcore Cochise and loved that ski to death (quite literally). Anyone ridden both and willing to provide comparisons between the two?

Preface: I’m 6ft, 240#. Strong skier [emoji1303]. Lighter skiers may have a different experience.

I shared this earlier in the thread, but I was a big fan of the 185 flipcore Cochise as well. I just had my first day on the 186 Wren 110 Pros and I feel like my assumption was correct that it would be a similar evolution.

- Cochise has a lower swing weight, this does make them easier to pilot in moguls
- the tip on the wrens is superior, this could be a preference but my initial feelings were that the taper on the tip of the Cochise, while helping with its ability to “rail”, didn’t help in soft snow and mixed conditions. Absolutely prefer the wren tip.

I still need more time on the Wrens 110 Pros for a full review, here are some of my initial thoughts:

- impressive levels of stability in all snow conditions
- it feels like a Cochise underfoot but has that signature ON3P tip, seriously making crud and mixed snow conditions more enjoyable
- as someone who really enjoys a flat tail, it’s there and it’s real. However it’s not nearly as punishing as let’s say the tail on the DPS L120, which is a 2x4. It will punish improper technique but has significantly more room play around with before “correcting you”.
- they’re actually not the stiffest ON3P ski I’ve been on. The 193 Supergoats (Stiff layup) are stiffer, even with the metal in the Wren Pros.
- significantly damper feeling that the Cochise, requires a bit more energy to bring alive, this is probably because of the less camber more flat
- they STOMP, really awesome platform for landings

Overall I thought it was way more fun, all the benefits and none of the negatives. I’m hooked and stoked. Looking forward to bringing them to bigger terrain once low tide fills in a bit more here in the West.