ON3P SKIS Discussion

[Conundrum]

Holy cow. That’s the 116? That’s light!!!





Edit: I’ll let it be known I’m looking for BGT 116 189. Unlikely to pop up I know, but until I save a few more bucks for a new pair, I’ll try this

108 but still pretty good.

[galibier_numero_un]

Holy cow. That’s the 116? That’s light!!!





Edit: I’ll let it be known I’m looking for BGT 116 189. Unlikely to pop up I know, but until I save a few more bucks for a new pair, I’ll try this

Same here but for 179s in the unlikely instance that someone's holding.

... Thom

[caulfield]

Not quite a BG 108 with a standard build, but I have Steeple 108s that are the same shape as BG 108 with the previous tour core. They’re rounder flexing than the standard core would be and slightly lighter, but not as light as current BGT 108s. I have had some really good inbounds days on these. I’m not sure I’d choose them as a DD, but they’re awesome for days when it is soft but not deep. Think days following storms or days with small snow accumulations. Once things are firm I reach for something better on groomers and better at smoothing out chunk, but for those inbetween days I think these make a great option that is easy to ski in any kind of 3D snow while being strong enough to haul the mail through chop and crud. Boots, bindings and operator are the limiting factors on mine (Tectons, Hawx Prime XTD 130).
Others have built the ski you are curious about. Maybe they’ll chime in as well.

I have that ski but with the stock (heavier) core and I've used it as a "daily driver" the last couple years. I agree with what Reformed said, although I enjoy mine on corduroy and softish groomers and the stock layup makes them ideal chunk-smoothers. In PNW snow, they're adequate for resort powder days. Maybe get outgunned on lap 1, but not on laps 2+. Only time I dislike them is the real hard stuff, especially dust-on-ice scenarios, the ice parts result in surprise slides.

[adrenalated]

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[Name Redacted]

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The goat is on the right now? That's totally gonna throw me off.

[Gman]

The C&D already has last years tour core/profile. Yea it could probably go lighter with the new tour setups but it's not a traditional fat touring ski(at least not in my opinion).

[123ski]

The goat is on the right now? That's totally gonna throw me off.

I always think about logo on the right, but you are right that’s trippy for me too


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[kid-kapow]

Sweet BGTs - the GOAT in the sky is just the Midas touch there.

I guess I should start saving for one of ON3P's touring offerings, though I would probably lean wren108 in the new tour layup - if that is something they'd be willing to do at some point. A woods108 could be sweet as well - that design in a slightly rounder flex pattern could be pretty spectacular as well and is already on offer (if sold out).

The C&D already has last years tour core/profile. Yea it could probably go lighter with the new tour setups but it's not a traditional fat touring ski(at least not in my opinion).

There is a fairly substantial / huge difference between the old tour layup and new one wrt to weight. Like >400gr a ski when you compare a steeple116 189 (the old tour layup) to a 2021 BGt in 189 (to compare to identical skis - construction / layup is the only difference as far as I know + skin clip tail too).

As for your other point, it is just a statement. If you would care to explain your thinking then we at least could understand where you are coming from. Not that everybody has to agree or anything - differing opinions are fine.

[Name Redacted]

I always think about logo on the right, but you are right that’s trippy for me too

I have named the goat "Lefty" just so I remember.

[cocoapuff]

Wren108s thanks ON3P!

[galibier_numero_un]

C. All of the above.

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[Norseman]

this is the way

I mean, I know this and even sold skis in a shop by talking to this point and... just never had interest to actually try a progressive mount until the Woodsman line was announced.

Thanks for being honest and this is exactly what’s holding me back on purchasing the Woodsman, also being a more traditional and setback skier and not used to skis with more tail. I regret selling my Wrenegade108s (needed to fund BGTours) and as it sits now the regular BG has taken the DD spot ( I really get along with this beauty of a ski). Will finally get a few real days of touring on the BGTours over New Years in the East Koots.

I’m actually working at a Volkl/Blizzard/Fischer/Nordica dealer this winter and the only ski we sell that has a more progressive mount point is the Rustler11 so I’ll have to put some time on that to see how I get along with a somewhat similar mount point to the Woodsman.

Well besides there being simply more tail length, the shape and stiffness play in for sure. I felt the tail of the WD108 wanting to lock into a turn despite re-tuning, but similar class members like the M-Free 108 don't seem to generate this complaint and are perhaps less stiff or use a different curve blend out of the sidecut.

Are you using the toe shims on your pivots? I've found that shimming the toes has helped me gel with more progressively mounted skis. The shims allow me to get into a stacked position on the newfangled more foward mounted skis.

No, I usually leave modern Pivots alone but have shimmed them in the past (10+ yrs ago). I'd rather have the stack height remain as low as possible and just stand on the right spot on the ski.

Interesting because I’m skiing Lange rx130 on pivot 18s on woodsman 108 and I like them more than the wren 108 and feel they can both be driven through the tip almost equally well

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Good for you man, glad they're working well. We are probably built differently then, or use a different stance, or liners or backpacks or maybe my nutsack is just skewing my CG. All this shit is so subjective.

I really dont get this as I feel the woodsman takes the exact same stance as the BG. Maybe it’s the 192.

I’m on a 189 bg and 187 wd108

It could be that the tail of the 192 WD108 is just too much for my ass despite tune. Perhaps a heavier rider would have a different experience.

Trade for 189 Wren 108Ti? Custom graphics and stiff flex

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Yes. Beauts

The C&D already has last years tour core/profile. Yea it could probably go lighter with the new tour setups but it's not a traditional fat touring ski(at least not in my opinion).

A 19xxg 189cm C&D tour with the new badass tour layup would be a wicked powtouring ski, in my opinion.

[MHSP1497]

A 19xxg 189cm C&D tour with the new badass tour layup would be a wicked powtouring ski, in my opinion.

Totally agree... I’d throw some Voyager 14’s on ‘em and drag them uphill for sure.

[RudyGarmisch]

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[Gman]

Sweet BGTs - the GOAT in the sky is just the Midas touch there.

I guess I should start saving for one of ON3P's touring offerings, though I would probably lean wren108 in the new tour layup - if that is something they'd be willing to do at some point. A woods108 could be sweet as well - that design in a slightly rounder flex pattern could be pretty spectacular as well and is already on offer (if sold out).



There is a fairly substantial / huge difference between the old tour layup and new one wrt to weight. Like >400gr a ski when you compare a steeple116 189 (the old tour layup) to a 2021 BGt in 189 (to compare to identical skis - construction / layup is the only difference as far as I know + skin clip tail too).

As for your other point, it is just a statement. If you would care to explain your thinking then we at least could understand where you are coming from. Not that everybody has to agree or anything - differing opinions are fine.

I don't dispute that there is a difference in weight between the steeple 116 and the 2021 BGt but in between those two skis you have skis that split the difference. I have a pair of wren 98 tours from a few years ago that are lighter then steeple's but heavier then the current iteration of touring skis. This is what I was trying to illustrate about the C&D, one is essentially looking at three iterations/versions of touring skis(steeple, tour layup skis of the past year years, and the new cores that are available now).

My thinking is saying that the C&D is not a traditional fat touring ski is more what I perceive as the initial intended design/purpose of the ski. People certainly do tour on the C&D but it sacrifices weight for downhill performance. I'd be really curious to see if you could lose 15-20% of the weight off a C&D with a true tour profile/layup and still maintain the characteristics of the ski that make it so successful to begin with.

[himavan]

Hey Folks,
Quick Canada shipping question (i'm sure this has been covered somewhere already but not sure where)
Picking up some Jeff108s to complete my quiver (between my kartel 98s and billy goats, and to replace my deathwishes). Usually I would get them when visiting Portland and carry them back to Canada (Alberta), but obviously can't do that now. And no local shops carry them.

Does anyone know if there are extra border duty taxes/brokerage fees? (I read somewhere that there should not be for skis made in the US).

On the ON3P website, shipping to CA (FedEx) is only coming out to 30$, but I think it used to be more? (perhaps to cover fees?).
I talked to someone at Powder7, where it would by 45$ (through USPS int'l priority), but they had no idea about additional fees.

[kid-kapow]

I don't dispute that there is a difference in weight between the steeple 116 and the 2021 BGt but in between those two skis you have skis that split the difference. I have a pair of wren 98 tours from a few years ago that are lighter then steeple's but heavier then the current iteration of touring skis. This is what I was trying to illustrate about the C&D, one is essentially looking at three iterations/versions of touring skis(steeple, tour layup skis of the past year years, and the new cores that are available now).

My thinking is saying that the C&D is not a traditional fat touring ski is more what I perceive as the initial intended design/purpose of the ski. People certainly do tour on the C&D but it sacrifices weight for downhill performance. I'd be really curious to see if you could lose 15-20% of the weight off a C&D with a true tour profile/layup and still maintain the characteristics of the ski that make it so successful to begin with.

Unless yours is a one off prototype with a different core, then your wren98 = a steeple 98 no?

The current C&D is basically a wider BG - a quite different and arguably more versatile design than the much more rockered versions of the past. So a new touring version of the C&D in the new touring layup would retain the float and looseness of the current C&D design, but obviously at the trade off in more difficult snow.

A lineup of a stock C&D in its current guise for resort duties and a touring version in the new layup for touring duties sounds like the best of both worlds. The touring version sounds like a pretty spectacular idea for touring in Japan or similar light snowpacks imho.

I am extremely happy with the current version for resort duties, so for me it would be a case of both - not either/or (though that part of the quiver is currently taken care of by Völkl BMT122 - a ski I love)

[galibier_numero_un]

Speaking of touring layups, doesn't it make sense for the BG Tour to have a flat (skin-clip friendly) tail? The BG Tour is for ... you know ... touring ;-)

I'm pretty sure the material at the tail is such that you can grind a notch yourself with no structural risk or potential issues of moisture penetration ... yes?

... Thom

[Conundrum]

The BG108T are twin tipped but a flat tail that is easy to clip skins on. Can kind of see it in this pic. You won't have to grind any notches or change anything. Not sure on the 116s.

[adrenalated]

The BG108T are twin tipped but a flat tail that is easy to clip skins on. Can kind of see it in this pic. You won't have to grind any notches or change anything. Not sure on the 116s.

116 is the same. There's a bit of a notch for the tail clips. It holds skin clips beautifully.

[beeeom]

Skied my new (to me) Jeffery 110’s today for the first real day today and they RAGE! Not at all what I was expecting but I'm stoked! Low tide and spring skiing death machine! I was expecting a casual, jibby, sort of ride but the more you put in the more they give back \m/

[jacob_dbu]

Is the ON3P demo tour going to happen this year? I'd love to demo a few pairs before I pull the trigger.

[tgapp]

Is the ON3P demo tour going to happen this year? I'd love to demo a few pairs before I pull the trigger.

^^^ same

I would buy a lift ticket somewhere just to demo a bunch of ON3P skis, I just wanna try before I buy

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[Gman]

I’ve been pushing for demos in the Tahoe region but it’s tough with covid right now. Also it’s not as easy as you think to get the approval from mtns for demos. Many of them have exclusivity rights with the brands they sell/rent.

[MegaStoke]

Most mountains are disallowing demo events this season due to COVID.