ON3P SKIS Discussion

[adrenalated]

I know Scott has said it here before but I now understand the importance of mount point in the hierarchy of Ski Characteristics.

this is the way

[MHSP1497]

Might trade for a Wren but inclined to just sell to afford C&D tours when they come. [emoji41]

Wut... is this really a thing? If this happens I am SO buying a pair!!! Getting into touring and a Tour C&D for the truly good days would be the perfect compliment to my other touring skis. Iggy, this a next summer kind of thing? I can wait, sort of...

[MegaStoke]

I don’t have time for a full review right now, but hot damn I love my new 184cm Billy Goat 116 Tours. I can’t imagine a better ski for touring on untracked pow.

[robnow]

I've decided to part with my Woodsmans. It is finally beaten into my head that I need to be further back on the ski.

The Woodsman is a nice shape but I can't/won't adjust my stance to ski their sweet spot.

Thanks for being honest and this is exactly what’s holding me back on purchasing the Woodsman, also being a more traditional and setback skier and not used to skis with more tail. I regret selling my Wrenegade108s (needed to fund BGTours) and as it sits now the regular BG has taken the DD spot ( I really get along with this beauty of a ski). Will finally get a few real days of touring on the BGTours over New Years in the East Koots.

I’m actually working at a Volkl/Blizzard/Fischer/Nordica dealer this winter and the only ski we sell that has a more progressive mount point is the Rustler11 so I’ll have to put some time on that to see how I get along with a somewhat similar mount point to the Woodsman.

[Kopi_Red]

I've decided to part with my Woodsmans. It is finally beaten into my head that I need to be further back on the ski.

I know Scott has said it here before but I now understand the importance of mount point in the hierarchy of Ski Characteristics. This is the second pair in my experiment to verify it for myself (first was some 189 Rx which I fully hated).

Almost every ski I've had has been more directional in the mount point.

So now I aim to visualize: where on the sidecut will I put my weight? Body type, ski mount point, stance/ramp/boots all work to determine.

The most intuitive setup for me: BG, Pivots, modern Langes.

The Woodsman is a nice shape but I can't/won't adjust my stance to ski their sweet spot.

Might trade for a Wren but inclined to just sell to afford C&D tours when they come. [emoji41]

Anyone want some 192s?

Are you using the toe shims on your pivots? I've found that shimming the toes has helped me gel with more progressively mounted skis. The shims allow me to get into a stacked position on the newfangled more foward mounted skis.

[SupreChicken]

I've decided to part with my Woodsmans. It is finally beaten into my head that I need to be further back on the ski.

I know Scott has said it here before but I now understand the importance of mount point in the hierarchy of Ski Characteristics. This is the second pair in my experiment to verify it for myself (first was some 189 Rx which I fully hated).

Almost every ski I've had has been more directional in the mount point.

So now I aim to visualize: where on the sidecut will I put my weight? Body type, ski mount point, stance/ramp/boots all work to determine.

The most intuitive setup for me: BG, Pivots, modern Langes.

The Woodsman is a nice shape but I can't/won't adjust my stance to ski their sweet spot.

Might trade for a Wren but inclined to just sell to afford C&D tours when they come. [emoji41]

Anyone want some 192s?

That’s the move.
Your patience will be rewarded. Suffer through pow touring on your current bg108 tours. RES is RES.

[123ski]

I've decided to part with my Woodsmans. It is finally beaten into my head that I need to be further back on the ski.

I know Scott has said it here before but I now understand the importance of mount point in the hierarchy of Ski Characteristics. This is the second pair in my experiment to verify it for myself (first was some 189 Rx which I fully hated).

Almost every ski I've had has been more directional in the mount point.

So now I aim to visualize: where on the sidecut will I put my weight? Body type, ski mount point, stance/ramp/boots all work to determine.

The most intuitive setup for me: BG, Pivots, modern Langes.

The Woodsman is a nice shape but I can't/won't adjust my stance to ski their sweet spot.

Might trade for a Wren but inclined to just sell to afford C&D tours when they come. [emoji41]

Anyone want some 192s?

Interesting because I’m skiing Lange rx130 on pivot 18s on woodsman 108 and I like them more than the wren 108 and feel they can both be driven through the tip almost equally well


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[SkiLyft]

Interesting because I’m skiing Lange rx130 on pivot 18s on woodsman 108 and I like them more than the wren 108 and feel they can both be driven through the tip almost equally well


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How do you jive with goats?? Like Norse, I’m obsessed with the goat shape and design; but didn’t click with the WD.


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[cocoapuff]

Any BG fans considered building out a BG108 with an inbounds layup? Especially now that people are touring on BG108's. Just seems like the perfect DD for resorts with average snowfall and lots of trees. Or is RES not a good idea on your daily driver?

For reference I've skied Wrens, Woods, and Jeffs. Never BGs.

[123ski]

How do you jive with goats?? Like Norse, I’m obsessed with the goat shape and design; but didn’t click with the WD.


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Goat is my favorite powder ski on the market.

Woods took me a few days to get the feel of, was not immediately intuitive and now it’s my favorite daily driver


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[123ski]

Any BG fans considered building out a BG108 with an inbounds layup? Especially now that people are touring on BG108's. Just seems like the perfect DD for resorts with average snowfall and lots of trees. Or is RES not a good idea on your daily driver?

For reference I've skied Wrens, Woods, and Jeffs. Never BGs.

I personally don’t like RES when conditions get hard, but others don’t seem to have an issue with it.


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[123ski]

How do you jive with goats?? Like Norse, I’m obsessed with the goat shape and design; but didn’t click with the WD.


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I know a few people that like their WD mounted back by 1-2cm - I assume you tried that?


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[SkiLyft]

I know a few people that like their WD mounted back by 1-2cm - I assume you tried that?


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I only skied them for 2-3 hours at BBI so my time with them was very limited. Just too many other great options right now at that 10X to justify giving them another go.


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[2FUNKY]

Goat is my favorite powder ski on the market.


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Compared to what?

[123ski]

Compared to what?

Compared To:

RPC112
ARG
Donner Party
Moment Comi
Norwalk
Magic J
Super7
S7
Pontoon
Pon2oon
Hellbent
Prophet 130
SFB
EP Pro
4Frnt Renegade
Volkl Sumo
Volkl Chopstick
Bibby Pro


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[2FUNKY]

Why?

[123ski]

Why?

I’m still figuring that out, and I promise to write a full review as well as some deep dive comparisons once I do, for now:

Pivots like the ARG and Magic J

Charges like the RPC112c

Skis fast in chop like the ARG and Renegade

Tip floats like the Super7 and Donner Party

Still turns fine in harder conditions

Doesn’t float as well as the K2s or Lines, but doesn’t flop around like those skis either.

Doesn’t spin as well as the JJ or Jeffrey108, but that’s not something I prioritize anymore

If I had to compare it I would say it’s a blend of the Magic J, RPC112c, ARG, and Jeffrey108


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[2FUNKY]

Thanks for that. Just curious as I thought the 191 was pretty good in maritime snow and just ok in interior snow, tips like to plow in low density snow which a big no-no for me in a pow ski. Found other skis to be superior. Always curious as to others take on skis.

[mr_pretzel]

I've decided to part with my Woodsmans. It is finally beaten into my head that I need to be further back on the ski.

I know Scott has said it here before but I now understand the importance of mount point in the hierarchy of Ski Characteristics. This is the second pair in my experiment to verify it for myself (first was some 189 Rx which I fully hated).

Almost every ski I've had has been more directional in the mount point.

So now I aim to visualize: where on the sidecut will I put my weight? Body type, ski mount point, stance/ramp/boots all work to determine.

The most intuitive setup for me: BG, Pivots, modern Langes.

The Woodsman is a nice shape but I can't/won't adjust my stance to ski their sweet spot.

Might trade for a Wren but inclined to just sell to afford C&D tours when they come. [emoji41]

Anyone want some 192s?

I really dont get this as I feel the woodsman takes the exact same stance as the BG. Maybe it’s the 192.

I’m on a 189 bg and 187 wd108

[Robik]

I've decided to part with my Woodsmans. It is finally beaten into my head that I need to be further back on the ski.

I know Scott has said it here before but I now understand the importance of mount point in the hierarchy of Ski Characteristics. This is the second pair in my experiment to verify it for myself (first was some 189 Rx which I fully hated).

Almost every ski I've had has been more directional in the mount point.

So now I aim to visualize: where on the sidecut will I put my weight? Body type, ski mount point, stance/ramp/boots all work to determine.

The most intuitive setup for me: BG, Pivots, modern Langes.

The Woodsman is a nice shape but I can't/won't adjust my stance to ski their sweet spot.

Might trade for a Wren but inclined to just sell to afford C&D tours when they come. [emoji41]

Anyone want some 192s?

Trade for 189 Wren 108Ti? Custom graphics and stiff flex

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[margotron]

There is a pair of 108 tour goats in a 186 at my local shop for those who are tempted.


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2020? Price?

[margotron]

189 BGTs just showed up. On my harbor freight scale, 1818g on one, 1821g on the other. QC is getting pretty tight over there.

Holy cow. That’s the 116? That’s light!!!





Edit: I’ll let it be known I’m looking for BGT 116 189. Unlikely to pop up I know, but until I save a few more bucks for a new pair, I’ll try this

[123ski]

Thanks for that. Just curious as I thought the 191 was pretty good in maritime snow and just ok in interior snow, tips like to plow in low density snow which a big no-no for me in a pow ski. Found other skis to be superior. Always curious as to others take on skis.

That’s interesting. I’m in utah and the skis don’t sink - skied them in 18” just last week


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[Reformed]

Any BG fans considered building out a BG108 with an inbounds layup? Especially now that people are touring on BG108's. Just seems like the perfect DD for resorts with average snowfall and lots of trees. Or is RES not a good idea on your daily driver?

For reference I've skied Wrens, Woods, and Jeffs. Never BGs.

Not quite a BG 108 with a standard build, but I have Steeple 108s that are the same shape as BG 108 with the previous tour core. They’re rounder flexing than the standard core would be and slightly lighter, but not as light as current BGT 108s. I have had some really good inbounds days on these. I’m not sure I’d choose them as a DD, but they’re awesome for days when it is soft but not deep. Think days following storms or days with small snow accumulations. Once things are firm I reach for something better on groomers and better at smoothing out chunk, but for those inbetween days I think these make a great option that is easy to ski in any kind of 3D snow while being strong enough to haul the mail through chop and crud. Boots, bindings and operator are the limiting factors on mine (Tectons, Hawx Prime XTD 130).
Others have built the ski you are curious about. Maybe they’ll chime in as well.

[kid-kapow]

I've decided to part with my Woodsmans. It is finally beaten into my head that I need to be further back on the ski.

I know Scott has said it here before but I now understand the importance of mount point in the hierarchy of Ski Characteristics. This is the second pair in my experiment to verify it for myself (first was some 189 Rx which I fully hated).

Almost every ski I've had has been more directional in the mount point.
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The Woodsman is a nice shape but I can't/won't adjust my stance to ski their sweet spot. ...

Going into the 2021 season the main question that I want answered concerning wood108s/116s is concerning their flex pattern, not the mount point. My take from skiing w116s back to back with koala119s last year was that I would have preferred w116s to have slightly stiffer shovels and ease up a bit flex wise behind the boots, but I can't say anything definitive as their tune was off. It could also be that the slightly softer shovels on the wood116s need a bit more speed to come alive in deeper, denser snow - I dunno - time will tell.

I also used wood108s back to back with wildcat108s quite a bit, and ended up slightly preferring the latter - though most likely due to tune issues on the former making them feel a bit sluggish and locked in. The wildcats were a lot of fun, though their tails needs some muscling around in deeper, denser snow when one wants to force the skis around. I have since sold the wildcats as I believe the woods will be a better fit once I break them in / tune them like I want them to be.

I have just given both pairs of woods a thorough going over including retuning the edges as well as acquiring some slightly stiffer and heavier boots - Lange XT3 130s - so everything should be setup for optimal testing as long as the conditions improve a bit. I've also bought a pair of Dynastar M-Free 108s, though I am uncertain if I should mount them and try them back to back with wood108s, or wait and only mount if I cannot get the wood108s to ski like I want them to (as I do not really plan to keep both). I am fairly confident that I will get on fairly well with the woods (if perhaps not in my two main resorts), especially considering some the posts made lately in this thread and how Blister describes the 108s - loose yet powerful sounds ideal, if I can just get used to the tails.

I too prefer slightly more traditional mounted skis and I love both R11s and Wren108s, though both are pretty progressive mount wise for what they are.

As for C&Dtours - this is what Iggy posted a while back.

Might trade for a Wren but inclined to just sell to afford C&D tours when they come. [emoji41]

Wut... is this really a thing? If this happens I am SO buying a pair!!! Getting into touring and a Tour C&D for the truly good days would be the perfect compliment to my other touring skis. Iggy, this a next summer kind of thing? I can wait, sort of...

Still testing this.