The Official Salomon S/Lab SHIFT MNC Thread -AMA

[maxb1221]

Already did that, They have plenty of clearance when fully deployed, its the initial step out is where the bulk of the brake is only catching on top sheet. I just don’t know if them catching like that will cause additional wear on the components of the heel piece/brake.

[anotherVTskibum]

So I've been running Shifts with Lange boots and either WTR (first-year XT 130) or alpine DIN soles (140 Pro), and I've been happy with them overall—the only times I've come out before crashing involved waterbar impacts.

Now I'm trying to set mine up for my new Hawx XTD boots, and the Shift AFD doesn't seem to contact the "contact rectangle" on the bootsole, as one of the sole lugs hits first:



Does that look like a reasonable AFD height setting? If I go up to the next detent on the adjustment, they're decidedly tight; with the AFD down a detent, there's what appears to be a huge gap.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

So I've been running Shifts with Lange boots and either WTR (first-year XT 130) or alpine DIN soles (140 Pro), and I've been happy with them overall—the only times I've come out before crashing involved waterbar impacts.

Now I'm trying to set mine up for my new Hawx XTD boots, and the Shift AFD doesn't seem to contact the "contact rectangle" on the bootsole, as one of the sole lugs hits first:



Does that look like a reasonable AFD height setting? If I go up to the next detent on the adjustment, they're decidedly tight; with the AFD down a detent, there's what appears to be a huge gap.

Trim the sole lug with a razor blade.

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[californiagrown]

So I've been running Shifts with Lange boots and either WTR (first-year XT 130) or alpine DIN soles (140 Pro), and I've been happy with them overall—the only times I've come out before crashing involved waterbar impacts.

Now I'm trying to set mine up for my new Hawx XTD boots, and the Shift AFD doesn't seem to contact the "contact rectangle" on the bootsole, as one of the sole lugs hits first:



Does that look like a reasonable AFD height setting? If I go up to the next detent on the adjustment, they're decidedly tight; with the AFD down a detent, there's what appears to be a huge gap.

Disclaimer, i dont know what im talking about, just talking:

The hard plastic WTR contact rectangle on your bootsole is meant so that your boots are compatible with stationary alpine AFDs (like a STH)- they slide across each other to smoothly release. The fact that the Shifts AFD slides back and forth means that the grippy sole of your boot can be the contact point without issue- it effectively mimics how a full rubber soled touring boot would be setup i believe.

[anotherVTskibum]

Disclaimer, i dont know what im talking about, just talking:

The hard plastic WTR contact rectangle on your bootsole is meant so that your boots are compatible with stationary alpine AFDs (like a STH)- they slide across each other to smoothly release. The fact that the Shifts AFD slides back and forth means that the grippy sole of your boot can be the contact point without issue- it effectively mimics how a full rubber soled touring boot would be setup i believe.

That's a good point; I hadn't thought about full-on touring boots and the binding being fully MNC. Whether or not you know what you're talking about, that theory makes sense to me.

[dcpnz]

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[stuntmanbo]

Sorry I know the answer may be in the thread but can’t find it.
A shift mounted by a reputable shop with the official jig will be in the middle of the adjustment range, correct ? So if I ask for a 305mm mount, I’ll be able to use boots from 290mm to 320mm, right ?
Asking this because I think I read somewhere that it was not in the middle, but maybe that was with the early paper templates, not sure. If anyone can confirm ...

Also it’s good to know that the only difference between the 10 and 13 is the spring, that means I (din 8) can share a pair with my din 6 mate on a 10 model while being in the middle of the range in both cases.

[DarthMarkus]

Sorry I know the answer may be in the thread but can’t find it.
A shift mounted by a reputable shop with the official jig will be in the middle of the adjustment range, correct ? So if I ask for a 305mm mount, I’ll be able to use boots from 290mm to 320mm, right ?
Asking this because I think I read somewhere that it was not in the middle, but maybe that was with the early paper templates, not sure. If anyone can confirm ...

Also it’s good to know that the only difference between the 10 and 13 is the spring, that means I (din 8) can share a pair with my din 6 mate on a 10 model while being in the middle of the range in both cases.

Not always the case. Usually on a new ski though.

If there was a previous mount, you can mount the toe, then use wiggle room on the heel to dodge any conflicting hole patterns. Techs that care will usually tell you. Some only care about getting you on the midsole and won't tell you otherwise on any adjustments on the heel.

I think as long as you're on a new ski, and the shop is a Salomon dealer, you should be good.

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[turnfarmer]

So I've been running Shifts with Lange boots and either WTR (first-year XT 130) or alpine DIN soles (140 Pro), and I've been happy with them overall—the only times I've come out before crashing involved waterbar impacts.

Now I'm trying to set mine up for my new Hawx XTD boots, and the Shift AFD doesn't seem to contact the "contact rectangle" on the bootsole, as one of the sole lugs hits first:



Does that look like a reasonable AFD height setting? If I go up to the next detent on the adjustment, they're decidedly tight; with the AFD down a detent, there's what appears to be a huge gap.

This goes to show what a shitshow grip walk is. For markers with the AFD closer to the toe, It usually lines up ok. For other brands binding that have a more aft traditional AFD location, it often just doesn't line up. There are some theoretical thoughts that the more rear location provides better heel retention and edge control but I don't know if it actually applies in real life.

[HAB]

This goes to show what a shitshow grip walk is. For markers with the AFD closer to the toe, It usually lines up ok. For other brands binding that have a more aft traditional AFD location, it often just doesn't line up. There are some theoretical thoughts that the more rear location provides better heel retention and edge control but I don't know if it actually applies in real life.

My older generation Hawx XTD 130s with the WTR sole needed a little rubber trimmed to sit nicely on a Shift AFD too.

[burrito]

Sorry I know the answer may be in the thread but can’t find it.
A shift mounted by a reputable shop with the official jig will be in the middle of the adjustment range, correct ? So if I ask for a 305mm mount, I’ll be able to use boots from 290mm to 320mm, right ?
Asking this because I think I read somewhere that it was not in the middle, but maybe that was with the early paper templates, not sure. If anyone can confirm ...

Good on Solly, if this is the case. It drives me crazy when jig mounts only set the heel 1/3 of the way down the track (looking at you, Look.) It's totally understandable for junior bindings that expect the user's BSL to grow over the years, but at the adult level all it does is artificially limit tail flex and put a little extra weight further away from your center of gravity.

FWIW I mounted mine off the paper templates and adjusted the heel either 5mm or 10mm forward to maximize my tail length and center their weight as much as possible. There's still a little rearward adjustment left, and I've been super happy with the result.

[Muggydude]

Just another reason to use paper templates and mount your own bindings. Test on a 2x4 first to make sure the heel piece is where you want it to be.

For example, I have a small foot 295mm bsl). I mostly use Tyrolia Attacks, which have a ~34mm heel adjustment range, so I mount the bindings so they fit 293-327mm bsl which fits most boots 25.5-28.5 so I can sell them without the next buyer having to remount.

Would not trust some teenage shop tech (or most shop tech’s) to be able to do that.


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[Spyderjon]

Sorry I know the answer may be in the thread but can’t find it.
A shift mounted by a reputable shop with the official jig will be in the middle of the adjustment range, correct ? So if I ask for a 305mm mount, I’ll be able to use boots from 290mm to 320mm, right ?
Asking this because I think I read somewhere that it was not in the middle, but maybe that was with the early paper templates, not sure. If anyone can confirm ...

Also it’s good to know that the only difference between the 10 and 13 is the spring, that means I (din 8) can share a pair with my din 6 mate on a 10 model while being in the middle of the range in both cases.

The Shift has 30mm of heel length adjustment. If your boot is used to set the Shift jig length then once the forward pressure has been adjusted correctly you'll have 12mm rearward adjustment available and 18mm forward adjustment available.

[~mikey b]

do you guys think Owen will die if I put Shifts on his 153cm Nordica Santa Ana 100? The range is 6-13, he charts out at a 5.

[detrusor]

With the pre-release you’ll need to turn them up anyway


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[~mikey b]

yeah he will be fine

[Spyderjon]

do you guys think Owen will die if I put Shifts on his 153cm Nordica Santa Ana 100? The range is 6-13, he charts out at a 5.

Just put the 4-10 din Shifts on instead.

[~mikey b]

not buying another binding

I have these in hand

sacrificing a set of my skis to get him going

probably do some inserts to stretch the budget

[DarthMarkus]

do you guys think Owen will die if I put Shifts on his 153cm Nordica Santa Ana 100? The range is 6-13, he charts out at a 5.

Do an ASTM test and get the NM. Chances are it'll probably still be in the "in use" range for a 5 setting.

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[m2711c]

Feed the kid more bacon.

[~mikey b]

yeah he’s pretty skinny

[DEVO]

Anyone know the chances of finding a replacement for one of the toe center mounting screws

[~mikey b]

easy to get at a shop

[DEVO]

easy to get at a shop

Tried some NE shops (ski monster, andes, stan & dans) with no luck. But Skimo.com says they are getting some next week or so, in case anyone else is looking

[~mikey b]

I’ve seen those used in other bindings so I thought it would be easy.

I think I have a couple extra.