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  1. #2801
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    What he said. I'll just add: if you haven't trued wheels before, pay attention to twist in the spokes. If you turn a little extra and then come back a little to take the twist out you should get a little more stable results.

  2. #2802
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    A drop of Triflow on each the spoke/nipple threads and rim/nipple interface will make things easier, and help prevent some of the spoke windup mentioned above.

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    I may have to fly out to Jackson with a case of LaCroix.

    I emailed Canfield asking if they would work. Jeff said they should work fine but would recommend a re-dish. Im not familiar with how it works but I could definitely DIY this.

    Or maybe its the spoke holes on the rim that are offset and not the actual rim in relation to the hub? The seller does not seem to like answering questions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by slowroastin View Post
    I may have to fly out to Jackson with a case of LaCroix.

    I emailed Canfield asking if they would work. Jeff said they should work fine but would recommend a re-dish. Im not familiar with how it works but I could definitely DIY this.

    Or maybe its the spoke holes on the rim that are offset and not the actual rim in relation to the hub? The seller does not seem to like answering questions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by slowroastin View Post
    I may have to fly out to Jackson with a case of LaCroix.

    I emailed Canfield asking if they would work. Jeff said they should work fine but would recommend a re-dish. Im not familiar with how it works but I could definitely DIY this.

    Or maybe its the spoke holes on the rim that are offset and not the actual rim in relation to the hub? The seller does not seem to like answering questions.


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    These are the wheels.

    $500
    New.
    Offset carbon wheel set NON-BOOST 29'er
    Chris King hubs set up as QR.
    Bontrager QR skewers included.
    2.6 mm offset
    25mm ID
    30mm OD
    DT swiss DB spokes


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  6. #2806
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    I saw those on FB. It's a solid deal that I considered. I think the "offset" refers to the asymmetrical rims, so I don't think dishing would be an concern. My gravel bike is has 12mm axles, though, so I'd have to buy the adapters etc. If yours is QR it would work easily.

    Side note: why do people use the abbreviations "ID" and "OD" (Inner & Outer Diameter) to refer to rim width? Perhaps it is for the same reason that so many use the word "breaks" to refer to the devices that stop a vehicle. The language is falling apart.
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  7. #2807
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    Why wouldn’t you use ID and OD?
    Those things matter, and need to be differentiated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Why wouldn’t you use ID and OD?
    Those things matter, and need to be differentiated.
    Because they're not a diameter.

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    The "D" stands for "dimension."

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAB View Post
    Because they're not a diameter.
    lol ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowroastin View Post
    How difficult or pricey would it be to re-dish a wheel build 2.5mm?

    Found a new Chris King wheel set with what looks to be knock of version of Nox Skyline carbon rims for the price of the hubs alone. These would be perfect for my Nimble 9 turned gravel bike.


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    GG specs their wheels to be dished 3mm to NDS. My local mechanic did it in about 10-15 minutes. Price was a bacon breakfast burrito.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAB View Post
    Because they're not a diameter.
    I guess I have only read that as ‘dimension’ as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    The "D" stands for "dimension."
    That's not normally what ID and OD mean in other contexts, but yeah, it's a way to make it work.

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    ID & OD are taken--they mean Inner Diameter & Outer Diameter. IW & OW would make a lot more sense to refer to rim width.

    Another one that drives me crazy is the use of "peddle" to refer to powering one's bicycle with its pedals (as opposed to selling things door-to-door, which is what the word actually means). For crying out loud, how hard is it to use the correct language for things?

    /rant
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    Bad spelling is for loosers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxtar View Post
    I think both the Goodridge mentioned and Jagwires should work
    I think this one https://www.ebay.com/itm/Shimano-755...YAAOSwov5c7u6c

    Not finding anything from Jagwire

    @LeeLau, I'm not near the one hose I have left to take a pic, but this is the same set I have
    https://www.ebay.com/i/283489118608?...0aArDKEALw_wcB

    think I better source some brake adapters before dropping a hundo + on the hose kits

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    Back to dishing...I would recommend every other nipple on one side, then the other, back to first side etc. maybe not as critical with carbon wheels but releasing tension on 1/4 of one side of the wheel all at once can cause problems ....also don’t cut spokes out of a tensioned wheel. I’ve seen the dura ace logo spiral on a front wheel.


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    Quote Originally Posted by climberevan View Post
    Another one that drives me crazy is the use of "peddle" to refer to powering one's bicycle with its pedals (as opposed to selling things door-to-door, which is what the word actually means). For crying out loud, how hard is it to use the correct language for things?

    /rant
    That is definitely rant-worthy.

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    Ticketchecker i think those are what I have. I can mail them to you if you like. I can mail them with the calipers too as they're no use to me

    Edit - just checked again and almost certain it's the same. Difficult to tell until i see the mounting fixtures in person but they sure look the same
    Last edited by LeeLau; 11-16-2020 at 11:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by climberevan View Post
    ID & OD are taken--they mean Inner Diameter & Outer Diameter. IW & OW would make a lot more sense to refer to rim width.

    Another one that drives me crazy is the use of "peddle" to refer to powering one's bicycle with its pedals (as opposed to selling things door-to-door, which is what the word actually means). For crying out loud, how hard is it to use the correct language for things?

    /rant
    I generally peddle pretty efficiently, especially if I have the dampening set correctly on my suspension and my breaks are working well.

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    Do you ride a fully rigid bike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeLau View Post
    Ticketchecker i think those are what I have. I can mail them to you if you like. I can mail them with the calipers too as they're no use to me

    Edit - just checked again and almost certain it's the same. Difficult to tell until i see the mounting fixtures in person but they sure look the same
    That would be awesome, I can send you some monies for S&H

  23. #2823
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    This whole re-dishing thing is confusing me, and all I see is headaches ahead for you.
    1. Is Canfield saying the don’t want wheels properly dished? Do they want the wheel to collapse on you? Is the tolerance so retarded on the bike that it doesn’t fit a normal wheel? If so, I see tire clearance issues in your future.
    2. Machine built wheel, possibly with some kind of thread lock and alloy nipples. So you’re gonna think you’re loosening/tightening and all you’ll get is the sudden loud pop as the wind up releases. Unless of course you strip out the alloy nipples first.
    3. This all assumes it was properly dished with well balanced spoke tension in the first place.
    4. I don’t see much value in a pre-boost QR wheel set. If you want it, and have the cash, then great. But you’ll never sell those wheels or hubs. Standards changes fucked the wheel game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Very easy.
    If you were in JH I would do it for you for a 12 pack of laCroix...
    That is a really weird price, tbh. What color?

    We used to bring freakin cases of the stuff with us for the kids when we came to JH for a week when they were little. We could have set you up.

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    Coconut, and ONLY coconut!
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