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[klauss]

[Dumbest Known Time]

Are there rumors of SRAM offering road shifters to match eagle derailleurs (or at least a derailleur that can handle a > 42 cog)? Or is shimano doing anything comparable? I like their road shifters better than the SRAM double tap stuff. Specifically excluding the electronic stuff, AXS / Di2. SRAM offers the Force/Rival/Apex 1 left shifter with a dropper post lever so it seems not impossible? I would love to run a 1x drop bar setup with a ~46-51 cog in the back.

I miss dropbars and I ride ~30% on the road now and for the foreseeable future going to/from trails... and I basically ride mellower stuff anyway and will be with a new kid at home, I don't think I need the 780mm flat bar I have right now. When I replace my current bike, which might be sooner than I thought, I am either gonna put drops on it or else replace it with a bike with drops, so looking at options. (The reach on my bike is pretty short so a 30mm stem would put the reach and stack in line with something like a Fargo which is designed for drops; seems not totally insane to just switch it?) But I'd also like an easier granny gear... I'm at a 32T chainring with 11-42 cassette. Supposedly the SRAM Force/Rival/Apex derailleurs will handle a 46T but it'd be nice to have something "officially" supported and also as aforementioned I greatly prefer the shimano road shifters. I think shimano GRX also has a left shifter with dropper post actuation...?

Short answer is no. The GRX stuff will do an 11-46 but there’s no official SRAM solution except their electronic stuff.

Long answer is that there are a lot of ways to cobble it together and make it work, all with their own quirks and drawbacks. Bikepacking.com put together a good DIY mullet drivetrain guide.

https://bikepacking.com/gear/guide-t...t-drivetrains/

[mall walker]

I guess ethirteen makes a 9-42, I can just shrink the chainring and that's plenty of range for the likes of me

[HankScorpio]

Are there rumors of SRAM offering road shifters to match eagle derailleurs (or at least a derailleur that can handle a > 42 cog)? Or is shimano doing anything comparable? I like their road shifters better than the SRAM double tap stuff. Specifically excluding the electronic stuff, AXS / Di2. SRAM offers the Force/Rival/Apex 1 left shifter with a dropper post lever so it seems not impossible? I would love to run a 1x drop bar setup with a ~46-51 cog in the back.

I miss dropbars and I ride ~30% on the road now and for the foreseeable future going to/from trails... and I basically ride mellower stuff anyway and will be with a new kid at home, I don't think I need the 780mm flat bar I have right now. When I replace my current bike, which might be sooner than I thought, I am either gonna put drops on it or else replace it with a bike with drops, so looking at options. (The reach on my bike is pretty short so a 30mm stem would put the reach and stack in line with something like a Fargo which is designed for drops; seems not totally insane to just switch it?) But I'd also like an easier granny gear... I'm at a 32T chainring with 11-42 cassette. Supposedly the SRAM Force/Rival/Apex derailleurs will handle a 46T but it'd be nice to have something "officially" supported and also as aforementioned I greatly prefer the shimano road shifters. I think shimano GRX also has a left shifter with dropper post actuation...?

I went down this rabbit hole trying to set up my gravel bike with a wide range cassette. In the end I settled on a the SRAM Apex long cage derailleur that will clear a 46t. It's not fancy but it works perfectly.

I thought stretching an 11 speed GX derailleur to clear a bigger cassette would work but it ended up bending the B-tension screw to adjust to the larger rear cog and chain had trouble dropping down the cassette.

[mall walker]

I went down this rabbit hole trying to set up my gravel bike with a wide range cassette. In the end I settled on a the SRAM Apex long cage derailleur that will clear a 46t. It's not fancy but it works perfectly.

I thought stretching an 11 speed GX derailleur to clear a bigger cassette would work but it ended up bending the B-tension screw to adjust to the larger rear cog and chain had trouble dropping down the cassette.

are you using the e thirteen 9-46, or something from SRAM?

[JaytaeMoney]

I was until I raced the BME two weekends ago and remembered that Enduro racing is like the funnest thing ever and I realized I was the only guy in my class not on a modern slack 29er.......so yeah.

I got a modern slack 29er this year and it has single handedly changed me from a very casual MTB person, to someone who rides every single day.

[bagtagley]

Not sure I'd recommend an e-thirteen cassette unless something has changed recently. Myself and two other riding buddies have had some issues, including bent big rings all around. I have an older 44, but they both have newer 46s. I've seen some mention of bent rings online as well.

[Bushwacka]

Might be a tough one.......

I have 140-160mm Pike Dual Position Air RC A1. That I would like to convert to upgrades RC2 Damper, and Debonair Air Spring. Is there any way I can get a debonair dual position air spring for an old A1 Pike? if it was a on a "modern" bike I would just get the 160 Solo Air and be fine but my 2015 Trance with 160mm of front travel has pretty slack STA (73.5 when in 160) and climbing steep can be meh like that. Also will my lowers/CSU work with the Debonair Air Spring?

If I can nt I may just dremel my seat post to get my seat more forward, run an Angle set to lower the front end/steepen seat post and just roll with a 160mm Solo Debonair air sping. My new Canfield N9 has a Pike Ultimate on it, and it just stays so much higher up in its travel and would really like my Full suspension to be the same.

[mall walker]

Not sure I'd recommend an e-thirteen cassette unless something has changed recently. Myself and two other riding buddies have had some issues, including bent big rings all around. I have an older 44, but they both have newer 46s. I've seen some mention of bent rings online as well.

I've read a lot of good things about them, and some disparaging. Not being a super snob about the ultra high end sram/shimano stuff I dunno... I'm pretty happy with my sunrace 11-42, then again anything bent sounds like a severe nonstarter.

[Roxtar]

I've read a lot of good things about them, and some disparaging. Not being a super snob about the ultra high end sram/shimano stuff I dunno... I'm pretty happy with my sunrace 11-42, then again anything bent sounds like a severe nonstarter.

Add me to the disparaging column.
Seen a lot of issues.

[sethschmautz]

Add me to the disparaging column.
Seen a lot of issues.

I had a broken tooth on one of my 9-46s (I have 2) but e*thirteen replaced it immediately. I'll be curious to see how the new one (and the other one) hold up to abuse. Other than that broken tooth (which I saw visually, didn't feel riding it), I've been happy with both.

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[westoxified]

Anyone randomly have a wide (35mm internal would be idea) carbon boost enduro capable 29er wheelset they want to unload?

not 35s but I have some enve m730 with kings that I am looking to unload soon. was going to get some photos this weekend and post them to ksl. hit me up if interested.

[rideit]

Have any of you run Garbaruk cassettes on your own bikes?
They make a 10-52 12 speed cassette that runs on a standard HG freehub. This would solve a problem (on a friend’s bike) of not replacing wheels in order to ditch the sun race 10-50 that’s on there. (which shifts like shit). But I don’t want to recommend it if the expensive Garbaruk doesn’t shift significantly better...

I am trying to talk her into a light carbon microspline wheelset so she can run XT and drop a pound, but budget is an issue.

[skaredshtles]

OK experts - Mavic hub question...

I have an OLD (2001-ish) Mavic Crossmax front wheel on the kid's bike. Fork is fucked. So I've got a line on a 20mm fork, and am thinking these adapters just might work to convert this hub:

https://shop.mavic.com/en-int/front-...html#1040=3518

Can anyone confirm/deny that these things will work for me?

[Roxtar]

Have any of you run Garbaruk cassettes on your own bikes?
They make a 10-52 12 speed cassette that runs on a standard HG freehub. This would solve a problem (on a friend’s bike) of not replacing wheels in order to ditch the sun race 10-50 that’s on there. (which shifts like shit). But I don’t want to recommend it if the expensive Garbaruk doesn’t shift significantly better...

I am trying to talk her into a light carbon microspline wheelset so she can run XT and drop a pound, but budget is an issue.

I've run them on mine, my wife's, and a couple customer's bikes.
Mixed results.
Mine creaked like a bitch. Wife's was fine. Customers never complained.
I heard they had early creaking issues (like mine) that were fixed on later models. Garbaruk stuff seems pretty well designed and drop dead gorgeous.
The HG models are 11-52, not 10-52. 10 tooth is impossible on HG without weird stuff like the E13.
Shifting performance was good but I can't comment on whether it comes close to the new Shimano, which is amazing.

[rideit]

Yeah, that makes sense, the lock ring/ 10 sprocket wouldn’t fit. Duh.
So, basically a *maybe* in terms of recommending it?

[Roxtar]

Yeah, that makes sense, the lock ring/ 10 sprocket wouldn’t fit. Duh.
So, basically a *maybe* in terms of recommending it?

Maybe, leaning toward "try it"

[Roxtar]

OK experts - Mavic hub question...

I have an OLD (2001-ish) Mavic Crossmax front wheel on the kid's bike. Fork is fucked. So I've got a line on a 20mm fork, and am thinking these adapters just might work to convert this hub:

https://shop.mavic.com/en-int/front-...html#1040=3518

Can anyone confirm/deny that these things will work for me?

It would depend on if the basic hub (without endcaps) will accept a 20mm axle.

[SchralphMacchio]

I've run them on mine, my wife's, and a couple customer's bikes.
Mixed results.
Mine creaked like a bitch. Wife's was fine. Customers never complained.
I heard they had early creaking issues (like mine) that were fixed on later models. Garbaruk stuff seems pretty well designed and drop dead gorgeous.
The HG models are 11-52, not 10-52. 10 tooth is impossible on HG without weird stuff like the E13.
Shifting performance was good but I can't comment on whether it comes close to the new Shimano, which is amazing.

I saw a lot of internet chatter about the various generations of manufacturing and which ones creaked and didn't creak ...

Anyways I ordered an XD 11 speed 10-46, about 2.5 weeks ago ... have been pestering them with emails for an update but they say it's vacation season and they'll know more at the end of the week, but haven't given me a target date yet. Seems like they might be build to order??? Their customer service rep's English isn't all that great either ...

[mall walker]

are the garbaruks generally thought to be much higher quality than the ethirteens?

[SchralphMacchio]

According to the internets, yes they are supposed to shift better, especially if you are used to the high end stuff.

You’re not asking in relation to your polished turd bike are you?

[mall walker]

no, I’m scheming my next bike lol

[Roxtar]

I saw a lot of internet chatter about the various generations of manufacturing and which ones creaked and didn't creak ...

Anyways I ordered an XD 11 speed 10-46, about 2.5 weeks ago ... have been pestering them with emails for an update but they say it's vacation season and they'll know more at the end of the week, but haven't given me a target date yet. Seems like they might be build to order??? Their customer service rep's English isn't all that great either ...

They are from the Ukraine and now based in Poland.

[Sandbox]

Ok experts, let’s take a stab at a “ what’s it worth” question.

I’m thinking of upgrading my bike for next year and since the rona has jacked up all the used market around me I was going to test the waters with my bike. What are your thoughts about pricing?

2015 Santa Cruz Bronson CC
Rockshox Pike ( original)
Fox float X Kashmina coated
Enve M60 wheels w/ dt swiss 240 hubs
Sram X01 eagle
Thompson elite dropper
Sram guide rsc brakes
Chromag bar/stem/seat


Normal scratches and marks for a 6 year old bike. Nothing overtly wrong with it.


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[grinch]

OK experts - Mavic hub question...

I have an OLD (2001-ish) Mavic Crossmax front wheel on the kid's bike. Fork is fucked. So I've got a line on a 20mm fork, and am thinking these adapters just might work to convert this hub:

https://shop.mavic.com/en-int/front-...html#1040=3518

Can anyone confirm/deny that these things will work for me?

Pretty sure they do. I think mine were that vintage and i changed from qr to 20mm non boost. Pretty ez to pull the caps in there now and check that the internal diameter of the bearing is greater than 20mm so the 20mm caps can be popped in

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