Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

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, altogether.

so an important thing might be ... was the airplane on a conveyor belt

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Georgia opening gyms, salons Friday and theaters, restaurants on Monday. Wow.

Utah is opening some things back up this week, what they are we don't know yet. Announcement coming soon.

[basinbeater]

I agree it has. It just seems like anti-intellectualism, xenophobia, and racism have become a lot more overt over the last few years.

Thank the rise of the internet. Before, if you said lots of stupid shit, you were ignored. If you had millions to spend on a concerted effort, like Exxon did with climate change, you could be successful, but it was much more difficult before the internet to get traction with inane ideas. Now it's easy, because there are 300+ million people, there is bound to be a few out there who believe that same stupid shit. Now they can easily find each other, amplify the stupidity, and make it easier to add more stupid people to their ranks. Add in a 24/7 "news" network that spews the bullshit all the time, some opportunistic politicians who see theirr death in the changing dynamics of the country, and viola, a nation of idiots headed off the rails.

sent from Utah.

[Tips^Up]

Update: we're all still coughing a lot. No fevers since Friday/Saturday. I feel pretty good but coughing about once an hour. The other night, my wife was coughing so bad she woke up the baby. I kicked her out to sleep on the couch. The baby would not fall back asleep (she is teething). I was up all night. None of us slept for 2 nights, which ain't great for battling sickness. For now, wait and see if we improve.

We really cannot contact trace how we may have caught anything.

We were talked out of testing at the Eagle Valley Family Practice, which is ran by Valley View (Glenwood Springs). Apparently Vail Health has tons of tests and wants to test everyone they can. Results in 24-48 hours. If things get worse, we'll head up valley and get tested.

[Adolf Allerbush]

Georgia opening gyms, salons Friday and theaters, restaurants on Monday. Wow.

An interesting experiment. One may say it's reckless, but the data that's gleaned from such an effort will be interesting.

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This picture sums up America !

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[The AD]

So, they just tested everyone in a nursing home.
10 days later, the results come in and 60 of 92 tested positive.

No mention of any hospitalizations, just some symptomatic.

And these are old people!

What are we supposed to glean from this knowledge? That it's not really that dangerous? Seems like 40,000 deaths so far in the U.S. is pretty strong evidence to the contrary.

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This picture sums up America !

Sirens aren't on so no emergency, and the driver is really close to her. So what's the real story? Who knows. WHo cares.

[m2711c]

right on red.

[Ted Striker]

Airplanes have more air changes per hour than a COVID isolation room in a hospital. It has air turnovers that are equivalent to a operating room where the goal is to keep the air free of infectious particles.

So airplanes are as safe as covid wards? Good to know. j/k

In cruise, absolutely. Not so much at the gate, or on pushback. Definitely not during engine starts (zero airflow).

Now you don't put 300 people in an OR, and you can still get infected by people close by... but if all the pax and crew are masked, air travel should be pretty damn safe as far as breathing as that would handle your droplets. Contact transmission still possible or if someone next to you is aerosolizing by coughing up a storm... If we temperature screened travelers like other countries that would help too!

Definitely. And IDK if they're doing this because I'm not flying right now (by pure coincidence, I haven't been on the roster since before C19) but limiting seating by alternating rows, strategically leaving some seats empty, etc., would go a long way toward keeping people safe. I'm still having a hard time visualizing people not immediately jumping up and cramming the aisle at destination.

[Rideski]

Sirens aren't on so no emergency, and the driver is really close to her. So what's the real story? Who knows. WHo cares.

I don’t know the whole story but in case you can’t see, she’s flipping them off.

[Rideski]

Update: we're all still coughing a lot. No fevers since Friday/Saturday. I feel pretty good but coughing about once an hour. The other night, my wife was coughing so bad she woke up the baby. I kicked her out to sleep on the couch. The baby would not fall back asleep (she is teething). I was up all night. None of us slept for 2 nights, which ain't great for battling sickness. For now, wait and see if we improve.

We really cannot contact trace how we may have caught anything.

We were talked out of testing at the Eagle Valley Family Practice, which is ran by Valley View (Glenwood Springs). Apparently Vail Health has tons of tests and wants to test everyone they can. Results in 24-48 hours. If things get worse, we'll head up valley and get tested.

Sucks dude. Does it give you advantages to know? Real question. Testing via the nasal swab doesn’t sound fun at all. Is that the type of test they have? Plus have to put yourself at danger of getting another dose of virus from the med facility.

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I don’t know the whole story but in case you can’t see, she’s flipping them off.

Yeah i see it.

[jono]

Airplanes have more air changes per hour than a COVID isolation room in a hospital. It has air turnovers that are equivalent to a operating room where the goal is to keep the air free of infectious particles. Now you don't put 300 people in an OR, and you can still get infected by people close by... but if all the pax and crew are masked, air travel should be pretty damn safe as far as breathing as that would handle your droplets. Contact transmission still possible or if someone next to you is aerosolizing by coughing up a storm... If we temperature screened travelers like other countries that would help too!

(my dad was an airline medical director)




Air exchanges while ingesting exhaust fumes doesn't do anything because HEPA filters filter PM (particulate matter) not VOCs (volatile organic compounds) which is what you are smelling.

Understood (unfortunately). The reason I mentioned airplanes in the first place, as I'm sure you recall, was that they are, at least anecdotally, an example where clean(er) but very dry air still seems to get people sick at a pretty high rate. The air is dry because the incoming air at altitude has very low absolute humidity so the only source of moisture is the exhaling passengers. Thus the air exchange reduces both the viral and moisture content in the cabin (the HEPA filters obviously only serve to reduce virus). But people still get sick flying.

So drying the passengers out seems to make them more susceptible to infection. Conversely, putting on even the crappiest of masks helps retain moisture which seems to make it protective for the wearer.

There are some potential holes in this theory, but they mostly don't involve getting into the weeds on airplane systems. Mostly.

[Deebased]

Don’t really give a fuck if China’s #s are accurate. Sideshow.

US can’t get its numbers correct because it doesn’t have enough testing and test processing.

Even now, US had less than 5% of world’s population and about 30% of the world’s diagnosed cases.

US is flying blind thanks to epic incompetence.

Meh,


The US is leading the world both in positive cases and in tests administered. We'll be at 1.5% of the population by Wed.

Per capita we're in the top 5 for tests administered and #10 for deaths.

[Benny Profane]

I wonder if Trump mentioned Theranos in meetings. Like, I heard they were pretty good.

[Benny Profane]

I said experts not politicians. Read: scientific community.

The morons showing guns in front of state houses failed Science a long time ago. I'm talking mistrust in "experts" of all kind.

[Benny Profane]

I really really really hope the corporate officers from Wells Fargo are first in line at the Guillotine.


Wells Fargo, JPMorgan Among Banks Sued Over SBA Virus Loan Aid

(Bloomberg) -- Wells Fargo & Co., Bank of America Corp., JPMorgan Chase & Co. and US Bancorp were sued by small businesses that accused the lenders of prioritizing large loans distributed as part of the virus rescue package, shutting out the smallest firms that sought money.
The four banks processed applications for the largest loan amounts because they generated the highest fees, rather than processing them on a first-come-first-served basis as the government promised, according to lawsuits filed Sunday in federal court in Los Angeles.
As a result, thousands of small businesses that were entitled to loans under the program administered by the Small Business Administration, known as the Paycheck Protection Program, were left with nothing, the plaintiffs said.
JPMorgan declined to comment on the lawsuit. The bank said in a FAQ that its smallest business clients received more than twice as many loans as the rest of its clients combined. Representatives for the other lenders didn’t immediately respond to requests seeking comment.
The complaints are based on two reports released by the SBA about the loans. One had data from April 3 when the program launched through April 13, when about three-quarters of the program’s funding had been claimed. The other report showed data as of April 16, after the funding was exhausted and the SBA stopped taking applications.
The complaint says in the last three days before the money ran out, loan applications for $150,000 and less were processed at twice the rate of larger loans compared with the initial report, suggesting the largest loans were front-loaded. But SBA hasn’t released data showing loan activity by lender, or how many loans and what loan amounts were processed on each day.
The program, which was enacted last month as part of a $2.2 trillion relief package in response to the outbreak, offered loans of as much as $10 million that are guaranteed by SBA and disbursed by lenders to small businesses. The loans convert to grants if proceeds are used to keep workers on the payroll and cover rent and other approved expenses for about two months, a short-term stopgap designed to help businesses get by until the economy reopens.
Banks earned origination fees of 5% on loans up to $350,000; 3% on loans between $350,000 and $2 million; and 1% on loans between $2 million and $10 million. That means they earned $17,500 for processing a $350,000 loan, compared to $100,000 for a $10 million loan.

Just remember, every congressperson and senator voted for that bill. Unanimous.

[Benny Profane]

WHO head Tedros just said "worst is yet to come". So, open up Texas.

[KenJongIll]

WHO head Tedros just said "worst is yet to come". So, open up Texas.

Is this the same guy that said they had no reason to believe there was human to human transmission? You know, China’s little WHO bitch.


https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152

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Solid arguement


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[The AD]

Solid arguement

Whoever painted that sign must have some strange affliction where they must omit a single letter from every word.

[Ted Striker]

...anecdotally, [airplanes are] an example where clean(er) but very dry air still seems to get people sick at a pretty high rate. The air is dry because the incoming air at altitude has very low absolute humidity so the only source of moisture is the exhaling passengers. Thus the air exchange reduces both the viral and moisture content in the cabin (the HEPA filters obviously only serve to reduce virus). But people still get sick flying.

So drying the passengers out seems to make them more susceptible to infection. Conversely, putting on even the crappiest of masks helps retain moisture which seems to make it protective for the wearer.

There are some potential holes in this theory, but they mostly don't involve getting into the weeds on airplane systems. Mostly.

I think you're correct about that. If I had to make an uneducated guess, I'd say it was simply that the surfaces in airplanes are dirty, and there are molds, dust mites, etc., in the carpeting.

I'll just do one more post about airplanes, because I was already thinking about it...

Incoming air grabbed from the compressor section, outflow controlled by the outflow valve (which an educated guess says is pressure controlled since the leak rate through fuselage gaps are highly variable)...your post reads like those things don't exist.

The psi differential is absolutely controlled by the outflow valve.

Think of it this way: the goal is to keep the air pressure as close to the landing elevation as possible while burning the least amount of fuel.

The easiest and most efficient way to achieve that is to trap the air inside of the fuselage before takeoff, and then have the outflow valve closed as much as possible. That way you don't need to do work to build pressure in the cabin, just maintain it.

As you mentioned, adding compressed air into the cabin is done by stealing air from the engines, which means every molecule of air you let escape from the cabin increases fuel consumption. So the engineers came up with the idea of recirculating the air (something old jets don't do).

The filters are behind the recirc fans (of which, there are generally two). The forward inlet in the 737 is in the ceiling around the third row of seats. If you're lucky enough to be in first/business class seated in row 2, that inlet is pulling the exhalations from the people in the first row right over your head.

So in the chicken and egg conundrum, the air is there first, and won't be filtered until after you've been exposed to it. If you could get directly from your car to in-flight without everything in between, yeah the air is quite clean (except for the synthetic oil, but that's a different story), but the hour or two between is higher than normal risk for sure.

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Georgia opening gyms, salons Friday and theaters, restaurants on Monday. Wow.

[Danno]

Solid arguement

whenever posting something making fun of someone else's spelling, first rule of the internet is triple check that your spelling is correct.