Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[old goat]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/healt...udy/index.html

this could be an instant game changer.

I take a different message out of this, assuming it's true, which is highly questionable. Assuming the Santa Clara number is reasonably close to an average for the country--obviously higher in NYC, Detroit, NOLA, lower in some rural places (a questionable assumption but bear with me) that means that something that has infected 2-4% of the population has killed 40,000 + people. That means there are 96-98% of the population still susceptible, with no vaccine, no treatment, and no reason to believe that, unlike the flu, it will die down during the summer. How many of those still susceptible will eventually get the bug. If only 30% that's still hundreds of thousands of deaths. And there's no guarantee of a vaccine or a treatment, ever. So maybe more than 30%, maybe a lot more. To me that study is frightening, not reassuring.

Meanwhile, does this sound like the flu: https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...s/?arc404=true

[seano732]

Um, not to be alarmist, but is anyone paying attention to the oil market at the moment????

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...hes-record-low

[Buster Highmen]

I agree it has. It just seems like anti-intellectualism, xenophobia, and racism have become a lot more overt over the last few years.

Well, if the gays can come out of the closet, why can't the recidivists?

[gretch6364]

What do you mean by the numbers don’t add up?

All the variability in death rates, US versus rest of world for reported deaths and infections, etc.

Better to not report then to report inaccurate figures. 4,600 deaths in China versus 40,000 in the US doesn't add up.

China locked down Wuhan so fast that the rest of the country didn’t get COVID-19...yet the rest of the entire world did?

[Deebased]

I take a different message out of this, assuming it's true, which is highly questionable. Assuming the Santa Clara number is reasonably close to an average for the country--obviously higher in NYC, Detroit, NOLA, lower in some rural places (a questionable assumption but bear with me) that means that something that has infected 2-4% of the population has killed 40,000 + people. That means there are 96-98% of the population still susceptible, with no vaccine, no treatment, and no reason to believe that, unlike the flu, it will die down during the summer. How many of those still susceptible will eventually get the bug. If only 30% that's still hundreds of thousands of deaths. And there's no guarantee of a vaccine or a treatment, ever. So maybe more than 30%, maybe a lot more. To me that study is frightening, not reassuring.

Meanwhile, does this sound like the flu: https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...s/?arc404=true

Remember this was as of April 1st when the confirmed case load was 215K.

[dunfree]

All the variability in death rates, US versus rest of world for reported deaths and infections, etc.

Better to not report then to report inaccurate figures.

There’s nothing inaccurate about reporting numbers with different basis. Unlesss you are a Chinese communist or a covidiot trumper more public data is always better.

[The SnowShow]

All the variability in death rates, US versus rest of world for reported deaths and infections, etc.

Better to not report then to report inaccurate figures. 4,600 deaths in China versus 40,000 in the US doesn't add up.

China locked down Wuhan so fast that the rest of the country didn’t get COVID-19...yet the rest of the entire world did?

Got it. Yes.

[The AD]

4,600 deaths in China versus 40,000 in the US doesn't add up.

China locked down Wuhan so fast that the rest of the country didn’t get COVID-19...yet the rest of the entire world did?

Well, 14,000 have died in New York state vs. about 1,200 in California so far despite California reporting their first case earlier than New York and having twice the population of NY.

Not to say we should trust China's reporting, but I don't think they have to be wrong.

[KQ]

OIL CRASHES. PRICE GOES NEGATIVE

[Rideski]

[seano732]

OIL CRASHES. PRICE GOES NEGATIVE

Just started a thread on that in Polyass, cause I didn't know where the hell else to put it. Crazy.

[54-46]

Don’t really give a fuck if China’s #s are accurate. Sideshow.

US can’t get its numbers correct because it doesn’t have enough testing and test processing.

Even now, US had less than 5% of world’s population and about 30% of the world’s diagnosed cases.

US is flying blind thanks to epic incompetence.

[gretch6364]

O&G industry is gonna need a bailout if we want to keep what energy independence we have.


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[jono]

The airplane isn’t pressurized by forcing air in. It’s pressurized by not letting air out. That starts with the air at the gate with all the passengers walking in and sitting there. Once you close the doors, you’re trapping that air inside. You’re breathing it before it gets pulled in by the recirc fans.

Are you trolling? Incoming air grabbed from the compressor section, outflow controlled by the outflow valve (which an educated guess says is pressure controlled since the leak rate through fuselage gaps are highly variable)...your post reads like those things don't exist.

We've all smelled exhaust on the tarmac, and I get there are periods, sometimes significant ones, when you're not exchanging air as fast. But compared with a long flight I'm more concerned about drying out so that what little virus I might encounter has a better chance to take root. I tend to cover my face when flying for just that reason, especially if I'm going to take a nap. I'm not heading for a plane too soon, but applying the same principle to masks is a major reason to wear one, especially if out in public, going in and out of buildings, particularly when the AC is on.

[Danno]

[bennymac]

[glademaster]

If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em.

[Ted Striker]

Are you trolling? Incoming air grabbed from the compressor section, outflow controlled by the outflow valve (which an educated guess says is pressure controlled since the leak rate through fuselage gaps are highly variable)...your post reads like those things don't exist.

Take a guess at what I do for a living.

[jono]

Take a guess at what I do for a living.

I know what you do for a living, that's why I asked if you were trolling.

[glademaster]

Yeah, come on, Jono watched an episode of Modern Marvels about commercial airliners, he's clearly the resident expert.

[ColMan]

O&G industry is gonna need a bailout if we want to keep what energy independence we have.

We already subsidize the fossil fuel industry to the tune of around $20B/yr. Sorry big oil, no handouts for you.

[MultiVerse]

This is the worst movie I have ever seen.

Unsurprising that this movie doesn’t work — the screenplay was a dog’s breakfast.

So much heavy handed foreshadowing. The apocalyptic footage from Wuhan, the super villain American president, the whistleblower dying, the Russia/China border closed while people still claimed it was just a flu, the warnings unheeded. Insulting to the audience’s intelligence.

And then — that most annoying of horror/disaster movie tropes — the hapless idiots walking into disaster after disaster, all of which the audience can see coming from a mile away.

The over the top details of world leaders and their wives falling ill, the far fetched idea that industrialized countries wouldn’t have proper protective gear for front line workers and ventilators. Pleeeeaaase. This movie needed a script doctor.

https://twitter.com/realsarahpolley/...19302011297792

[Name Redacted]

We already subsidize the fossil fuel industry to the tune of around $20B/yr. Sorry big oil, no handouts for you.

Not to mention corn growers. How's ethanol looking now?

[The AD]

I know what you do for a living, that's why I asked if you were trolling.

My instinct says the air you're breathing on an airplane is great when the engines are running, it's when you're sitting on the tarmac and the power is being supplied by the APU that you're probably not getting the freshest air.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

I really really really hope the corporate officers from Wells Fargo are first in line at the Guillotine.


Wells Fargo, JPMorgan Among Banks Sued Over SBA Virus Loan Aid

(Bloomberg) -- Wells Fargo & Co., Bank of America Corp., JPMorgan Chase & Co. and US Bancorp were sued by small businesses that accused the lenders of prioritizing large loans distributed as part of the virus rescue package, shutting out the smallest firms that sought money.
The four banks processed applications for the largest loan amounts because they generated the highest fees, rather than processing them on a first-come-first-served basis as the government promised, according to lawsuits filed Sunday in federal court in Los Angeles.
As a result, thousands of small businesses that were entitled to loans under the program administered by the Small Business Administration, known as the Paycheck Protection Program, were left with nothing, the plaintiffs said.
JPMorgan declined to comment on the lawsuit. The bank said in a FAQ that its smallest business clients received more than twice as many loans as the rest of its clients combined. Representatives for the other lenders didn’t immediately respond to requests seeking comment.
The complaints are based on two reports released by the SBA about the loans. One had data from April 3 when the program launched through April 13, when about three-quarters of the program’s funding had been claimed. The other report showed data as of April 16, after the funding was exhausted and the SBA stopped taking applications.
The complaint says in the last three days before the money ran out, loan applications for $150,000 and less were processed at twice the rate of larger loans compared with the initial report, suggesting the largest loans were front-loaded. But SBA hasn’t released data showing loan activity by lender, or how many loans and what loan amounts were processed on each day.
The program, which was enacted last month as part of a $2.2 trillion relief package in response to the outbreak, offered loans of as much as $10 million that are guaranteed by SBA and disbursed by lenders to small businesses. The loans convert to grants if proceeds are used to keep workers on the payroll and cover rent and other approved expenses for about two months, a short-term stopgap designed to help businesses get by until the economy reopens.
Banks earned origination fees of 5% on loans up to $350,000; 3% on loans between $350,000 and $2 million; and 1% on loans between $2 million and $10 million. That means they earned $17,500 for processing a $350,000 loan, compared to $100,000 for a $10 million loan.