Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[old goat]

Remember this was as of April 1st when the confirmed case load was 215K.

Thanks for correcting me on that. 5000 deaths on April 1=250,000--500,000 deaths if everyone gets the virus, less depending on what percentage of people actually get it eventually.

[dunfree]

We already subsidize the fossil fuel industry to the tune of around $20B/yr. Sorry big oil, no handouts for you.

Shale oil has been an unprofitable capital incineration jobs program masquerading as “free enterprise”. There’s lots of things to bailout, lots of ways to invest in energy

[jono]

Yeah, come on, Jono watched an episode of Modern Marvels about commercial airliners, he's clearly the resident expert.

Lolz...don't guess what I do for a living.

[old goat]

Are you trolling? Incoming air grabbed from the compressor section, outflow controlled by the outflow valve (which an educated guess says is pressure controlled since the leak rate through fuselage gaps are highly variable)...your post reads like those things don't exist.

We've all smelled exhaust on the tarmac, and I get there are periods, sometimes significant ones, when you're not exchanging air as fast. But compared with a long flight I'm more concerned about drying out so that what little virus I might encounter has a better chance to take root. I tend to cover my face when flying for just that reason, especially if I'm going to take a nap. I'm not heading for a plane too soon, but applying the same principle to masks is a major reason to wear one, especially if out in public, going in and out of buildings, particularly when the AC is on.

The argument about the air on planes is kind of irrelevant given that you're sitting within 6 feet of 10+ people, plus flight attendants, plus people in the terminals.

[ncskier]

For the life of me, I cannot grasp why heeding experts and trusting in the established institutions have fallen out of style. Wanna know why they recommend something? They'll walk you through the body of evidence, show you the variables / knowns and unknowns and make predictions you can later evaluate and ultimately reapply to make even better predictions. Isn't seeing it all with transparency and demonstration comforting? These are the people who brought you all of modern medicine, all of your technology - landed us on the fucking moon.

Everyone peddling an 'alternative' has some cloak and personal agenda. Every fucking time. Buying in benefits them not you - and asks for your blind allegiance and compliance. As soon as it starts with "what if..."... fucking head for the hills. These people have brought us nothing - not once. No deliverables ever. How is there comfort in that? Is the confirmation bias that compelling and satisfying? I guess it is. I wish it was surprising.

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[jono]

The argument about the air on planes is kind of irrelevant given that you're sitting within 6 feet of 10+ people, plus flight attendants, plus people in the terminals.

True for airline travel. It's not about airplanes, it's about masks.

[glademaster]

Lolz...don't guess what I do for a living.

I'm just talking smack because I'm bored, I don't know shit from ass about airplanes.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

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Remember before the internet some crazy guy at the end of the bar would say crazy ass shit until he got thrown out of the bar?

Now crazy people like Alex Jones and the Qtards have an audience for the crazy ass shit that spews out of their mouths.

[SmokinRox]

Just logged in after a brief hiatus.

Haven’t read up on this thread.

So this virus thing huh...? All over the news recently.

What do you guys think?


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[ColMan]

Not to mention corn growers. How's ethanol looking now?

Plus ethanol is absolutely terrible for engines, especially small engines.

[Core Shot]

Take a guess at what I do for a living.

Can you fly this plane and land it?

It's got four engines. It's an entirely different kind of flying.

[Core Shot]

So, they just tested everyone in a nursing home.
10 days later, the results come in and 60 of 92 tested positive.

No mention of any hospitalizations, just some symptomatic.

And these are old people!

[funkendrenchman]

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
Let's see how accurate this model is for NY State. Some have called it optimistic. Time will tell but so far it's pretty close. Actual daily deaths source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_c...w_York_(state)

Attachment 322834

We're a little off...

4/19
Predicted - 190 deaths
Actual - 478 deaths

To date:
Total predicted- 9,659 deaths
Actual - 13,869

[Ted Striker]

Can you fly this plane and land it?

It's got four engines. It's an entirely different kind of flying.

, altogether.

[summit]

The airplane isn’t pressurized by forcing air in. It’s pressurized by not letting air out. That starts with the air at the gate with all the passengers walking in and sitting there. Once you close the doors, you’re trapping that air inside. You’re breathing it before it gets pulled in by the recirc fans.

Airplanes have more air changes per hour than a COVID isolation room in a hospital. It has air turnovers that are equivalent to a operating room where the goal is to keep the air free of infectious particles. Now you don't put 300 people in an OR, and you can still get infected by people close by... but if all the pax and crew are masked, air travel should be pretty damn safe as far as breathing as that would handle your droplets. Contact transmission still possible or if someone next to you is aerosolizing by coughing up a storm... If we temperature screened travelers like other countries that would help too!

(my dad was an airline medical director)

We've all smelled exhaust on the tarmac, and I get there are periods, sometimes significant ones, when you're not exchanging air as fast. But compared with a long flight I'm more concerned about drying out so that what little virus I might encounter has a better chance to take root. I tend to cover my face when flying for just that reason, especially if I'm going to take a nap. I'm not heading for a plane too soon, but applying the same principle to masks is a major reason to wear one, especially if out in public, going in and out of buildings, particularly when the AC is on.

Air exchanges while ingesting exhaust fumes doesn't do anything because HEPA filters filter PM (particulate matter) not VOCs (volatile organic compounds) which is what you are smelling.

[Buster Highmen]

I really really really hope the corporate officers from Wells Fargo are first in line at the Guillotine.


Wells Fargo, JPMorgan Among Banks Sued Over SBA Virus Loan Aid
(Bloomberg) -- Wells Fargo & Co., Bank of America Corp., JPMorgan Chase & Co. and US Bancorp were sued by small businesses that accused the lenders of prioritizing large loans distributed as part of the virus rescue package, shutting out the smallest firms that sought money

The four banks processed applications for the largest loan amounts because they generated the highest fees, rather than processing them on a first-come-first-served basis as the government promised, according to lawsuits filed Sunday in federal court in Los AngelesAs a result, thousands of small businesses that were entitled to loans under the program administered by the Small Business Administration, known as the Paycheck Protection Program, were left with nothing, the plaintiffs said.

JPMorgan declined to comment on the lawsuit. The bank said in a FAQ that its smallest business clients received more than twice as many loans as the rest of its clients combined. Representatives for the other lenders didn’t immediately respond to requests seeking comment

The complaints are based on two reports released by the SBA about the loans. One had data from April 3 when the program launched through April 13, when about three-quarters of the program’s funding had been claimed. The other report showed data as of April 16, after the funding was exhausted and the SBA stopped taking applications

The complaint says in the last three days before the money ran out, loan applications for $150,000 and less were processed at twice the rate of larger loans compared with the initial report, suggesting the largest loans were front-loaded. But SBA hasn’t released data showing loan activity by lender, or how many loans and what loan amounts were processed on each day

The program, which was enacted last month as part of a $2.2 trillion relief package in response to the outbreak, offered loans of as much as $10 million that are guaranteed by SBA and disbursed by lenders to small businesses. The loans convert to grants if proceeds are used to keep workers on the payroll and cover rent and other approved expenses for about two months, a short-term stopgap designed to help businesses get by until the economy reopens.

Banks earned origination fees of 5% on loans up to $350,000; 3% on loans between $350,000 and $2 million; and 1% on loans between $2 million and $10 million. That means they earned $17,500 for processing a $350,000 loan, compared to $100,000 for a $10 million loan

Who needs oversight?

[summit]

Wells Fargo showcasing how much they learned about ethics from their last scandal.

[huckbucket]

Ignoring experts and science has been part of the playbook for a long time, it didn't just start in 2016. In fact, it's existence prior to 2016 is a large part of what Trump harnessed.

Humans have fucked up metrics for defining heros. Bet you very few on this board can tell me who these three people are without the name underneath and most importantly what they did for mankind. Science needs better PR apparently.


Edward Jenner
Smallpox vaccine
Saved >500M lives


Paul Erlich
Diphtheria and Tetanus Antitoxin
Saved >40M lives


Jonas Salk
Polio vaccine
Saved >1M lives

[Lone Star]

what's the difference between Covid-19 and General Sherman?

[TG]

Who needs oversight?

https://wolfstreet.com/2020/04/17/wh...ying-activity/

And then there is the curious case of Longview Power LLC, in which KKR, one of the big private equity firms, has a 40% stake as a result of Longview’s bankruptcy in 2015. Longview owns a 700-megawatt coal-fired power plant in West Virginia and has about 140 employees. It was approved for a PPP loan last Friday, and on Tuesday it announced that it filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

It was in these bankruptcy filing documents that the PPP loan came to light, and was reported by the Wall Street Journal.

In its prepackaged bankruptcy filing, creditors and the company agreed as to who gets what in the restructuring. The deal still has to be approved by the bankruptcy judge. Stockholders, including KKR, and holders of $44 million in unsecured bonds will be wiped out. Senior secured lenders will get 90% of the restructured company’s equity and agreed to provide $40 million in new funding.

If the company follows the rules of the PPP loan, it will be forgiven and turn into pure profit for then new owners.

[AK47bp]

Wells Fargo showcasing how much they learned about ethics from their last scandal.

My wife works for them.

Horrible, horrible company.


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[Toadman]

Who needs oversight?

The poor and out of work collecting unemployment or disability. I mean, at least drug test them. Can't have those folks scamming the system, those lazy SOB's! But this tangent should be in the Stock Market Tanking thread....

[SorryBro]

Who needs oversight?

I was told by Trump that he would be the oversight and everything will be fine. /POLYASS

[The SnowShow]

Georgia opening gyms, salons Friday and theaters, restaurants on Monday. Wow.

[Rideski]