Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[rideit]

Fighting Wildfires During A Pandemic

But it won’t hard to find firefighters, if that’s a silver lining.

[Ottime]

I have a hard time understanding the stay inside and don't even go for a walk in your neighborhood line of thinking. I understand don't do risky things but not lock yourself into a padded room

Our local guidance tells us to get out and exercise and socialize at a distance.

I talked with several of my neighbors yesterday. My kid and the bird it’s kid thew paper airplane together / separately yesterday. They were both bummed they could not get closer than 6’. But it was better than complete isolation.

I’m working on teaching my kid proper distancing so we can meet friend at trail heads and hike together.

Socializing and exercise are considered essential for mental and physical well being.

I can also buy cabinets and paint to refinish our bathroom. I now have some time. After I put the alpine gear away for the season.

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it may depend on the density of your neighborhood

walks are fine where i am, but maybe nyc would be problematic if that's what everyone was doing?

[cat in january]

Hard to keep up with everything. Does anyone know why Germany at over 14k cases only has seen 43 deaths?

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[Rideski]

it may depend on the density of your neighborhood

walks are fine where i am, but maybe nyc would be problematic if that's what everyone was doing?

^ this. I feel lucky to have a big yard I’ll start working on and some sparsely populated parks.

Re:hikes and stuff, I’m no doctor but seems aspiration would be considerably higher hiking hrs and walking right through someone’s vapor trail. Not saying don’t go, just saying I don’t think 6 feet makes any diff there.

[huckbucket]

The number of new positive cases in Italy continues to increase day-to-day. BUT, the number of new deaths per day have remained relatively flat over time. Perhaps this reflects an increase in testing (asymptomatic cases)? Also possible the age of the infected population is shifting lower?

[ill-advised strategy]

Hard to keep up with everything. Does anyone know why Germany at over 14k cases only has seen 43 deaths?

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

More testing means they’re finding less-severe cases whereas here the less-severe cases aren’t even identified.

[TG]

More testing means they’re finding less-severe cases whereas here the less-severe cases aren’t even identified.

right, and it allows more preemptive isolation of positive people, especially those not showing symptoms. significantly reducing potential for transmission and possibly protecting those most vulnerable from exposure to those that are carrying the virus.

unlike here where you cant get a test until you almost definitely have it.

[powdork]

Hard to keep up with everything. Does anyone know why Germany at over 14k cases only has seen 43 deaths?

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

they are still early in the curve, and they are who developed the test that WHO (and everyone else) uses, that we refused to use. And they're government is smart so they are catching cases early. They are still going to have problems, but it will be further down the road because they are catching them before they're already entering the hospital in most cases (i.e. their numbers have grown but the sick aren't at the dying point yet (typically late second week is when that starts)).

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/2...dc-techonology

[Mofro261]

Hard to keep up with everything. Does anyone know why Germany at over 14k cases only has seen 43 deaths?

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Data from Gemany suggests the largest target populations thus far are the 35-59 age bracket followed by 15-34. Younger target age= less acute disease overall.

https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/...ublicationFile


edit: chart is in the link above.

[Rideski]

On the thread of success, hopefully Japan continues this trajectory and it’s not just delayed or propaganda.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...an-where-is-it

[cat in january]

Thanks guys

[Core Shot]

Anyone wondering if the cops are going to be “distancing” themselves, and sit back at the station with the coffee machine?

I wonder what their policy is?


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My local cops have been told not to interact with the public
Not to go to the station.
No traffic stops unless reckless drunk

[powpig]

Hard to keep up with everything. Does anyone know why Germany at over 14k cases only has seen 43 deaths?

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

I take this to mean that German beer has higher antiviral properties than does Italian wine.. Must be the Bavarian purity laws.

[Ottime]

^ this. I feel lucky to have a big yard I’ll start working on and some sparsely populated parks.

Re:hikes and stuff, I’m no doctor but seems aspiration would be considerably higher hiking hrs and walking right through someone’s vapor trail. Not saying don’t go, just saying I don’t think 6 feet makes any diff there.

6’ is the cough/sneeze distances of large droplets. If you are wheezing on your hike, you probably should not leave the home.

Hiking is basically walking on non paved surface. Not mountaineering.

[Name Redacted]

I take this to mean that German beer has higher antiviral properties than does Italian wine.. Must be the Bavarian purity laws.

the reinheitsgebot is all bullshit. Greedy bakers. Go belgian.

[mcski]

Willy Wonka was patient 0

[splat]

Fighting Wildfires During A Pandemic

Just updated my SAM registration and VIPR reg is due in 10 days.
Thinking it might not be worth signing on this year...

[Rideski]

6’ is the cough/sneeze distances of large droplets. If you are wheezing on your hike, you probably should not leave the home.

Hiking is basically walking on non paved surface. Not mountaineering.

No that’s called a walk. Hence “walking” a hike denotes going up and down steep hills. And wheezing is different than breathing hard.

That said everyone has to decide risk tolerance for themselves. No way in hell I’d hike behind a known ratflu pos person right now but you do you.

[jono]

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Sars-CoV-2 particles are ~125 nM, large side for viruses.

Taking the time these days can't be easy, thanks for your contributions here!

[Cono Este]

My local cops have been told not to interact with the public
Not to go to the station.
No traffic stops unless reckless drunk

I believe it. Pretty soon you’ll be able to rob a bank. And someone will realize that.


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[4matic]

I believe it. Pretty soon you’ll be able to rob a bank. And someone will realize that

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Mask is ubiquitous so easy to get away. If you can find a mask.

[jono]

I don't have a good non speculative (like low-VP increases the number of overall droplets) explanation other than to agree with Jono's response to splat and add actual water vapor content of air irrespective of temperature often has greater biological significance for many organisms.

The original statement is based on the fact that correlation with 1hr virus viability and relative humidity is strong but the correlation with vapor pressure is strongest:

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A word of caution, these findings aren't particularly robust but they do align with what we know about other droplet transmitted viruses.

That's interesting, thanks! It seems like we're speaking to the two sides of this, is that right? I'm seeing it that low relative humidity causing large droplets to evaporate and leave airborne viruses aloft longer is one thing and higher absolute humidity shortening their life is (maybe?) different. Seems like the net impact on virulence of weather isn't simple to predict (unsurprisingly).

[splat]

Mask is ubiquitous so easy to get away. If you can find a mask.

You only need a bandana for bank robbing....

[MultiVerse]

That's interesting, thanks! It seems like we're speaking to the two sides of this, is that right? I'm seeing it that low relative humidity causing large droplets to evaporate and leave airborne viruses aloft longer is one thing and higher absolute humidity shortening their life is (maybe?) different. Seems like the net impact on virulence of weather isn't simple to predict (unsurprisingly).

Yeah, I think there are multiple factors all complicated by the fact that so many (most?) transmissions occur indoors.

One possibility, assuming the results reflect reality, is the idea of turning off the AC (just the conditioning, not circulation) in airports or bus terminals etc, to slow or stop transmission in public spaces where lots of people are passing through.