OFFICIAL 2018 MLB THREAD

**Woodsy** · 01-23-2019, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by ml242

Mariano elected unanimously to the HOF.

Hate the team, love the player.
Fantastic to watch and such a kind and gracious dude in and around NYC.

**AdironRider** · 01-23-2019, 11:02 AM

Fuck the Yankees but Mariano was awesome.

There are few players in sports that can pull off what he did with one pitch. In the sense that everyone knew what was coming, every time, and he still made em look stupid. Few pitchers ever have had that capability, and never for more than a season or two. Meanwhile Mariano is like 40 and still sending cutters and killing it.

**ex-powderbroker** · 01-23-2019, 11:44 AM

I'm happy for all these guys. Edgar was awesome and set a standard at DH, Mussina was really unappreciated during a hitters era, and Halladay was a dominant pitcher for a long time that passed away early. But really, it's cool to see positions like DH and relieve judged against their peers and not subjected to a purity test via the fifties.

Maybe I'll finally make it to cooperstown for the ceremony, been meaning to get to Ommegang for a really long time too.

**Woodsy** · 01-23-2019, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by ml242

it's cool to see positions like DH and reliever judged against their peers and not subjected to a purity test via the fifties.
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Yeah wouldnt be right not to have the best hitters and pitchers in the HOF, I mean unless they are suspected of Steroid use, or gambled on baseball......

**iceman** · 01-23-2019, 12:01 PM

Great great player obviously. But I like to remember him this way:

**ex-powderbroker** · 01-23-2019, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Yeah wouldnt be right not to have the best hitters and pitchers in the HOF, I mean unless they are suspected of Steroid use, or gambled on baseball......

in every clubhouse

**irul&ublo** · 01-23-2019, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Hate the team, love the player.
Fantastic to watch and such a kind and gracious dude in and around NYC.

You probably became a Mets fan. How’s that working?

**Woodsy** · 01-23-2019, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by ml242

in every clubhouse

Point taken but HOF is for the best that ever played:
Rank Player Hits
1 Pete Rose 4,256
2 Ty Cobb †[b] 4,191
3 Hank Aaron † 3,771
4 Stan Musial † 3,630
5 Tris Speaker † 3,514
6 Derek Jeter 3,465
7 Honus Wagner † 3,430
8 Carl Yastrzemski † 3,419
9 Paul Molitor † 3,319
10 Eddie Collins † 3,314
11 Willie Mays † 3,283
12 Eddie Murray † 3,255
13 Nap Lajoie † 3,252
14 Cal Ripken, Jr. † 3,184
15 Adrián Beltré 3,166
16 George Brett † 3,154
17 Paul Waner † 3,152
18 Robin Yount † 3,142
19 Tony Gwynn † 3,141
20 Alex Rodriguez 3,115
21 Dave Winfield † 3,110
22 Ichiro Suzuki 3,089
23 Albert Pujols (114) 3,082
24 Cap Anson †[c] 3,081
25 Craig Biggio † 3,060

Thats the 25 best hitters ever based on hits ( weird way to judge, but stay with me) , ALL are either in, or shortly will be in ( AROD will be debated, but we will see) the HOF should be all the best players. Put on his plaque he was banned for betting but to not have him in there is incomplete.

Now lets move on to HRs.....

**I've seen black diamonds!** · 01-23-2019, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by ml242

I'm happy for all these guys. Edgar was awesome and set a standard at DH, Mussina was really unappreciated during a hitters era, and Halladay was a dominant pitcher for a long time that passed away early. But really, it's cool to see positions like DH and relieve judged against their peers and not subjected to a purity test via the fifties.

Couldn't agree more.

**Woodsy** · 01-23-2019, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by irul&ublo

You probably became a Mets fan. How’s that working?

Why the fk would you think that?!?

Think about being a Dodger fan in the 70s and 80s and which teams you would dislike, dont think to hard

**plugboots** · 01-23-2019, 12:47 PM

Living in the PNW as I do now, Ed-Gaaaarrrr apparently was way overdue. You all think he deserves it? I think the bar is getting lower overall.

**iceman** · 01-23-2019, 12:55 PM

I do think the bar has been moved. It's probably because they got worried about my plan to open The Hall of Pretty Good down in Oneonta. We would be right there off I-88, we would've hurt their business model.

**Woodsy** · 01-23-2019, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by ml242
I'm happy for all these guys. Edgar was awesome and set a standard at DH, Mussina was really unappreciated during a hitters era, and Halladay was a dominant pitcher for a long time that passed away early. But really, it's cool to see positions like DH and relieve judged against their peers and not subjected to a purity test via the fifties.

Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!

Couldn't agree more.

my Rose & Roid comments led astray from the fact that I also could not agree more.

**Woodsy** · 01-23-2019, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by iceman

I do think the bar has been moved. It's probably because they got worried about my plan to open The Hall of Pretty Good down in Oneonta. We would be right there off I-88, we would've hurt their business model.

Edgars inclusion likely means your boy Big Pappi likely moves on from your hall to the original

**plugboots** · 01-23-2019, 01:29 PM

^^^ True dat. But also, only one other person is in the hall w/ a Mariners cap, (Junior), so...marketing.

**irul&ublo** · 01-23-2019, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Why the fk would you think that?!?

Think about being a Dodger fan in the 70s and 80s and which teams you would dislike, dont think to hard

I saw Sandy Koufax pitch, and Garvey and Cey in the minors in Bakersfield. Listened to Vin and Jerry Dogget on the transistor radio. Only quit liking the Dodgers when that asshole Murdoch bought them from the O'Malleys. So don't think too hard.

**Woodsy** · 01-23-2019, 02:21 PM

you know he is gone now, right?

**irul&ublo** · 01-23-2019, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Woodsy

you know he is gone now, right?

Yeah, and then they sold it to that other asshole McCourt, who gutted the team for his own bank account, and by that time they were to me like Fredo was to Michael.

**Danno** · 01-23-2019, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Hate the team, love the player.
Fantastic to watch and such a kind and gracious dude in and around NYC.

Originally Posted by AdironRider

Fuck the Yankees but Mariano was awesome.

There are few players in sports that can pull off what he did with one pitch. In the sense that everyone knew what was coming, every time, and he still made em look stupid. Few pitchers ever have had that capability, and never for more than a season or two. Meanwhile Mariano is like 40 and still sending cutters and killing it.

agree.

Grew up a Mets fan, so my second favorite team in all of baseball is whoever is playing the Yankees. But damn, hard to not be impressed as fuck with Mariano.

In 140+ innings of postseason ball -- the equivalent of 20 solid starts -- he had a .70 ERA. Redonkulous. Pure greatness, the likes of which we may never see again.

**Danno** · 01-23-2019, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by flowing alpy

junior shoulda been 100% vote too

lots of people should have been. Mo shouldn't have been the first, nor should Junior have been the first. But it is what it is.

**Self Jupiter** · 01-23-2019, 05:03 PM

It has probably been said here- make the ballots not anonymous. That will hopefully end the 50s purity testing

**jono** · 01-23-2019, 06:21 PM

I think it's kind of cool that Edgar went in with Mariano. The irony of giving the first unanimous vote to Rivera while the only hitter he feared stayed out would have been more typical of the voters, though, so more change seems likely to me.

Jackie (or maybe Ruth) should've been the first, but at least that bullshit is out of the way.