The Nation Courts Amazon for HQ2

**MontuckyFried** · 11-14-2018, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by reckless toboggan

Exactly this. All of it.

Holy fuck. I actually am agreeing with AustinFromSA. If Amazon can make me agree with AustinFromSA, then anything is possible.

**PNWbrit** · 11-14-2018, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Summit

NPR pointed out that Amazon chose the financial and political capitals for their new HQs.

It wasn't ever very much in doubt. (trust me)

The outrage should be poured on all the places that never stood a chance and yet still pulled up their skirts.

**Slopetime** · 11-14-2018, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by dunfree

Maryland offered $5 billion. Virginia offered $500 million. AMZN chose Virginia. Explain to me why Virginia needed to offer anything.

The ROI will bring more than $500 million to the region over time. Va. Tech announced an expansion of its campus to the area as a result of this move I believe.

**homebrewd** · 11-14-2018, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Nashville is pretty cool these days, attracts a lot of young people from the middle of the country, is centrally located, and is home to FedEx, which is a delivery service of Amazon these days. I'd live there if I had to.

I fail to see how Amazon is a leader in marketing, BTW. Maybe super low cost and convenient retail, but, marketing?

Re: marketing think about the sheer volume of daily traffic they harbor and their product offerings outside their online marketplace. It's a huge opportunity to gain exposure. They are the leader in website traffic for Retail and E-commerce (only behind Google, YouTube and Facebook overall).

**PNWbrit** · 11-14-2018, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by homebrewd

Re: marketing think about the sheer volume of daily traffic they harbor and their product offerings outside their online marketplace. It's a huge opportunity to gain exposure. They are the leader in website traffic for Retail and E-commerce (only behind Google, YouTube and Facebook overall).

Yep. They even have a division name "marketing" That Bunny fails to see.

**Sirshredalot** · 11-14-2018, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Slopetime

The ROI will bring more than $500 million to the region over time. Va. Tech announced an expansion of its campus to the area as a result of this move I believe.

It's $500 million they didn't have to spend. The ROI is 0.

**Skidog** · 11-14-2018, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Dromond

Is the median home value really near 1mil? That’s higher than Seattle. The NY HQ seems to complicate the “Amazon is leaving because it’s too expensive and the traffic is too bad” narrative.

I was a stat line some usatoday or cnn opinion writer who lives there's article. I was surprised as well. Prior to 2013 it was apparently industrial. Still has open real estate for a building like Amazon needs. The handouts suck. The traffic will suck, the trains will suck, and the possible return is very long term for taxpayer.

Amazon needed talent, period. They we're putting this in/near a big city no matter what. Here's the deal build where you find the right land or don't build. You shouldn't get "free" shit just because of where you needed to build anyway.

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**Benny Profane** · 11-14-2018, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by homebrewd

Re: marketing think about the sheer volume of daily traffic they harbor and their product offerings outside their online marketplace. It's a huge opportunity to gain exposure. They are the leader in website traffic for Retail and E-commerce (only behind Google, YouTube and Facebook overall).

Yeah, but, that's not marketing. It's retail and logistics. Product delivery.

**homebrewd** · 11-14-2018, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Yeah, but, that's not marketing. It's retail and logistics. Product delivery.

Retail and logistics are an integral part of a company's overall marketing strategy. Amazon is a single hub for all associated relations with regards to marketing a product or service (advertising, selling, and delivering products to consumers). Let alone the fact AWS has shitloads of pre-built templates for secure webservers and other cost effective solutions to start a business from the ground up. They also have tons of analytics tools for tracking metrics and creating standardized reports for monitoring product trends. Marketing is much more robust than sales and PR.

**Bobby Stainless** · 11-14-2018, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by reckless toboggan

And fucking Nashville?!? Amazon is moving shit to Nashville. If they can convince people to move to Nashville, they can convince people to move pretty much anywhere.

So I guess you live under a rock. Lol.

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

and is home to FedEx,

That's Memphis.

**iceman** · 11-14-2018, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by FLS

This?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/13/o...q2-winner.html

No that was from yesterday, there was another piece today, I couldn't find it earlier (even though it's right there in the paper today), I'll take another look in a bit here.

**PNWbrit** · 11-14-2018, 04:56 PM

Didn't Chicago pay ~$60m for ~500 Boeing HQ jobs in 2001?

The only people who were pissed by that were people in Seattle (and mostly only the ones who worked for Boeing)

**reckless toboggan** · 11-14-2018, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

So I guess you live in the Rockies. I don't even ski.

FIFY.

**muted** · 11-14-2018, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Skidog

Prior to 2013 it was apparently industrial. Still has open real estate for a building like Amazon needs. The handouts suck. The traffic will suck, the trains will suck, and the possible return is very long term for taxpayer.

It's still very very industrial. I'm sure it's changed a lot in 5 years like you said, but the majority of that area has not changed much. Sure it's got some hi-rise apartments now and a few big companies have moved in, but it's a ghost town at night compared to Manhattan and other areas. Can't say I've been to every nook-and-cranny there, but if Amazon doesn't build a huge cafeteria with free food in their space, theres a big opportunity for small biz to open up storefronts in that area now.

**Bobby Stainless** · 11-14-2018, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by reckless toboggan

Yes I'm completely oblivious

FIFY

**shroom** · 11-14-2018, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Expect a presidential run in 2028.

you think bezos took the subsidies just to let trump know his were bigger?

**Skidog** · 11-14-2018, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by muted

It's still very very industrial. I'm sure it's changed a lot in 5 years like you said, but the majority of that area has not changed much. Sure it's got some hi-rise apartments now and a few big companies have moved in, but it's a ghost town at night compared to Manhattan and other areas. Can't say I've been to every nook-and-cranny there, but if Amazon doesn't build a huge cafeteria with free food in their space, theres a big opportunity for small biz to open up storefronts in that area now.

Still probably room for some eateries either way. Free food or not, you get bored. I'd tend to agree it's not Manhattan, but could be the next "Brooklyn".

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**reckless toboggan** · 11-14-2018, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

FIFY

How original.

**glademaster** · 11-14-2018, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Skidog

Still probably room for some eateries either way. Free food or not, you get bored. I'd tend to agree it's not Manhattan, but could be the next "Brooklyn".

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Man, "the next Brooklyn" really makes me feel old. The last time I was regularly in/around NYC, it was still acceptable to refer to it as "Crooklyn."

**Benny Profane** · 11-14-2018, 07:29 PM

The 7 will be hell. Especially when the Mets are playing.
I could think of one business to invest in, and that's food delivery. Queens is arguably the most diverse high quality ethnic food festival on Earth, certainly America. All kinds of food, and if you include Upper Brooklyn, a amazing place to just plug in some order on your phone, and it could be there within a half hour. Many think Flushing is far better than Chinatown. The Indian is killer. And on. They're gonna get fat.

**PNWbrit** · 11-14-2018, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

The 7 will be hell. Especially when the Mets are playing.
I could think of one business to invest in, and that's food delivery. Queens is arguably the most diverse high quality ethnic food festival on Earth, certainly America. All kinds of food, and if you include Upper Brooklyn, a amazing place to just plug in some order on your phone, and it could be there within a half hour. Many think Flushing is far better than Chinatown. The Indian is killer. And on. They're gonna get fat.

The Amazon tech bros love their food delivery and food trucks.

And improve the local area's curry establishments.

**iceman** · 11-14-2018, 07:53 PM

Bourdain did an episode on Queens, mostly Flushing, this past season.

**phatty** · 11-14-2018, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by muted

Can't say I've been to every nook-and-cranny there, but if Amazon doesn't build a huge cafeteria with free food in their space, theres a big opportunity for small biz to open up storefronts in that area now.

Amazon doesn't do free food. Heck, all the restaurants around the HQ are pricier than I like to spend for lunch.