Anyone have anything they'd like to rant about?

[Bunion 2020]

Same here, the one way trails are well marked.

I also wonder about what it means when one user group appropriates an existing trail and begins to add features and in effect declares a trail to be one way?

Damn my friend has a lot of questions.

[lifelinksplit]

Fucking assholes who drive off road to "shuttle" the new DH trail while the volunteers are walking new trails ahead of their BLM meeting....

This is why we can't have nice things.

[evdog]

We used to have a number of trails that people would regularly ride both ways that have been taken over by the strava/endurobro douche crowd and are apparently now "unofficial downhill trails" complete with blown corners, ride arounds and shitty jumps. OK I get it don't climb them during prime riding hours - most bikers can figure that out. But prime riding hours are also prime hiking, dog walking and trail running hours and more than a few of these users have been run off these trails. Unless its and officially downhill bike only trail and signed as such, you have to expect to run into other users on the trail whether you like it or not.

[Ted Striker]

But I don't think anyone's bitching about someone who's new to an area and happens to go there wrong way on an unmarked trail. It's the guy that knows better but does it anyways that's the problem.

This.

And a little signage goes a long way.

[jamal]

Those people are prioritizing their use over everyone else's on a communal resource, so fuck them.

As opposed to you prioritizing your own use on a public trail open to all users in both directions?

[Danno]

There's a trail I ride regularly, it's a long grind of a climb. There are different descent options, so we sometimes go down one of those ways, but sometimes we just turn around and bomb down. Been doing this routine for 10+ years.

One day, while climbing this trail as we always do, came upon someone descending. That person expressed a certain degree of surprise to see someone ascending what to him was an unofficial downhill trail. :shrug:

[Bunion 2020]

Fucking assholes who drive off road to "shuttle" the new DH trail while the volunteers are walking new trails ahead of their BLM meeting....

This is why we can't have nice things.

So that is what happened, I was wondering how long it would take for some douches to decide that it was ok to drive to the top for easy shuttle laps.

We used to have a number of trails that people would regularly ride both ways that have been taken over by the strava/endurobro douche crowd and are apparently now "unofficial downhill trails"

In my useless opinion, there is no such thing as an unofficial one direction trail.

[mtngirl79]

I have only had people riding up a downhill trail a few times and I wasn't a huge issue. More often I have people going down a climbing/multi direction trail and think I should get out of their way. Even that, though isn't that often. you guys must have really crowded trails?

Even if no one rides up the down trail you have to ride in control enough to stop for a slower, stopped, crashed rider or down tree or some other unknown thing that you have to stop for.

Everyone gets to ride the trails and the more people that do, the more trails we get...

What gets me is the hikers and dog walkers whining about mountain bikers going too fast and then in the next breath they complain about not being allowed to be on some trails.. the fast downhill trails, and through all this complaining they miss the fact that mountain bikers built and maintain the trail system they are complaining about. Mountain bikers negotiated with the land owners and mountain bikers fund raise and provide insurance and make maps.. oh but hey walkers, we will yield to you. You have the right of way, just stay off these few steep trails with jumps and drops and big rocks that would suck to hike on anyway.. ok?

[Eluder]

As opposed to you prioritizing your own use on a public trail open to all users in both directions?

If the down trail has an easily pedalable up trail that goes to the top of it and the trail its self is physically impossible to ride up all while having blind jumps and high speed corners, the uphill pusher is being an asshat, end of story.

[snoqpass]

White people problems

[lifelinksplit]

So that is what happened, I was wondering how long it would take for some douches to decide that it was ok to drive to the top for easy shuttle laps.



In my useless opinion, there is no such thing as an unofficial one direction trail.

Yeah wtf is an unofficial dh trail....

One where people don't know it's a dh trail and get called out for being assholes?

And this disconnect is why other trail users hate mtb'ers.

[plugboots]

If the down trail has an easily pedalable up trail that goes to the top of it

What if that easily pedalable “trail” is a boring fire road?
What if the trail that is now the unofficial DH trail is easily rideable up on a SS?
What if most locals actually built the now unofficial DH trail, and did races going up it?

I understand the other points, and nobody I know is being an asshat, but this trend of not riding up a trail just because it crosses a fire road at the top blows.
Get off my lawn.

[Dantheman]

Funny to see this discussion back. What toast said x1000.

What constitutes an unofficial downhill trail? To borrow a famous quote, it's hard to define but I know one when I see one. A well known example would be Doctor Park in Crested Butte. Yeah, you have every right to ride that trail as an out-and-back, and I have every right to question your intelligence if you do.

[Eluder]

What if that easily pedalable “trail” is a boring fire road?
What if the trail that is now the unofficial DH trail is easily rideable up on a SS?
What if most locals actually built the now unofficial DH trail, and did races going up it?

I understand the other points, and nobody I know is being an asshat, but this trend of not riding up a trail just because it crosses a fire road at the top blows.
Get off my lawn.

I know where your going with this and yeah I agree I would rather ride single track up than a fire road, but a heavy traffic jump trail is not appropriate to ride up or push up unless you know its gonna be free of people coming down.

[toast2266]

What if the trail that is now the unofficial DH trail is easily rideable up on a SS?
What if most locals actually built the now unofficial DH trail, and did races going up it?

Those don't sound like unofficial DH trails to me. Those just sound like normal, 2 way trails. Just because someone wants to rip down it doesn't make it a defacto dh trail. Pretty much any climbable trail can also be a fast descent, but that's not what I'm talking about.

Like was said elsewhere, I'm not sure how to describe an unofficial dh trail, but I know it when I see it.

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[Bunion 2020]

So it is like Porn?

[toast2266]

So it is like Porn?

Potter Stewart knows not to ride up defacto dh trails.

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[jono]

So why aren't defacto DH trails official DH trails? What's stopping the signage?

[mtngirl79]

Maybe some aren't even official trails?

[reckless toboggan]

Maybe some aren't even official trails?

Maybe they're artificial trails?

#FakeTrails

[LeeLau]

White people problems

No kidding

[toast2266]

So why aren't defacto DH trails official DH trails? What's stopping the signage?

At least around here, it's because the land managers know a lot about forestry and almost nothing about recreation management.

[grskier]

My beef is with the dude that yelled at me on an "Official DH Trail" closed to uphill traffic etc... he was hiking up and I almost clipped him with my bars...

I wonder who's heart rate was higher after that near miss....

[Canada1]

Yeah wtf is an unofficial dh trail....

One where people don't know it's a dh trail and get called out for being assholes?

And this disconnect is why other trail users hate mtb'ers.

These comments tell us why we are being blocked out of some trails. The 90 % of trail users that don't bike don't care about our cool berms and jumps. But they do care about guys flying at them with no possibility of stopping in time. We are our own worst enemy.

[toast2266]

These comments tell us why we are being blocked out of some trails. The 90 % of trail users that don't bike don't care about our cool berms and jumps. But they do care about guys flying at them with no possibility of stopping in time. We are our own worst enemy.

On one hand, you're 100% right. On the other hand, I wouldn't ride my bike nearly as much if I had to go slow and not hit cool berms and sweet jumps.

The answer, of course, is more trails. Some directional, bike specific stuff. Some hiking only, no bike stuff. Some multi use, multi direction stuff.

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