The Nutrition Science thread

[Supermoon]

Here's a backstory for anyone like me not familiar with bulletproof coffee.
I think I'll stick to my regular coffee and a few chocolate bites.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...-man-very-rich

Man, who knows if the coffee/butter thing works or not, but holy shit that guy sounds like a crackpot. Anyone who just dismisses well settled science because they don't agree with it doesn't seem like the type of person I want to listen to.

[XXX-er]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/second...ries-1.4690996

some good news for you sugar addicts

[Dantheman]

Man, who knows if the coffee/butter thing works or not, but holy shit that guy sounds like a crackpot. Anyone who just dismisses well settled science because they don't agree with it doesn't seem like the type of person I want to listen to.

And they didn't even mention his Provigil addiction.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/second...ries-1.4690996

some good news for you sugar addicts

Interesting. I've long wondered if the process of caramelizing sugar changed the caloric content and metabolic effects. By definition, caramelized sugar (i.e., sugar that's been cooked to a deep amber color, the point right before you would add cream and butter to make a caramel sauce) has been transformed into a myriad of other compounds and very little free and intact glucose and fructose should remain. From Wiki:

Caramelization is the removal of water from a sugar, proceeding to isomerization and polymerization of the sugars into various high-molecular-weight compounds. Compounds such as difructose anhydride may be created from the monosaccharides after water loss. Fragmentation reactions result in low-molecular-weight compounds that may be volatile and may contribute to flavor. Polymerization reactions lead to larger-molecular-weight compounds that contribute to the dark-brown color.

[Danno]

Anyone tried this? https://www.amazon.com/Coffee-Booste...%2Bbutter&th=1

Seems a little expensive at 72 cents per serving, but worthwhile? I'm thinking of trying the bulletproof coffee thing with minimal hassle.

Well, it is "Popular with Crossfitters, Paleo & Ketogenic dieters, and Pro Gamers" so must be worth it. Pro Gamers? WTF?

Really the MCT and a scoop of ghee is not that hard to deal with. Throwing it in a magic bullet or blender is the biggest PITA part but that's not bad either. We've been adding some coconut milk as creamer too.

I'll have to see if I can get grass fed ghee/butter and MCT locally.

We found MCT oil at whole foods, and also bought some on Amazon. We searched for grass fed butter, but I found that the taste was exactly the same as regular butter. At 3x the price. Yeah, yeah, maybe the grass fed is a little healthier for you, but regular butter (unsalted) works just fine.

Of course, now that I am doing IF, I no longer drink the bulletproof coffee. But it's a very low hassle thing, just 20 seconds in a blender and you're good.

[Gcooker]

Any of you keto folks get blood work done? Cholesterol checked? Metals, macro/micro nutrients?
Just curious, my kids was on a whole whack of supplements due some pretty insane bloodwork.

[bagtagley]

Any of you keto folks get blood work done? Cholesterol checked? Metals, macro/micro nutrients?
Just curious, my kids was on a whole whack of supplements due some pretty insane bloodwork.

I think I started changing the way I eat about 7 years ago? At that point, my LDL was through the roof, and my HDL was too low. Prior to "paleo", I tried a vegetarian diet and saw no difference. Since making the change, my numbers are vastly improved. LDL is typically a few ticks above the recommended level, and now HDL is through the roof, so my ratio is really good. High LDL runs in the family, so I'm pretty happy with that.

Just to clarify, I'm not keto, and don't do bulletproof coffee very often anymore. Anybody that knows me would categorize me as weird because of how I eat, though. High fat, moderate protein, relatively low carbs, and a whole food focus. I'm also relatively strict about where my meat and fats come from, which theoretically can make a difference. The extra cost for local meats, grass-fed dairy, high quality olive oil, etc. are more than worth it, to me.

[Rideski]

Health food :

[SkiBall]

I’ve been doing a vegan bulletproof with maranatha coconut butter instead of grass fed butter. Crazy amounts of energy in that shit. Tastes better too imo

Thanks, I will give it a whirl. One reviewer said "it's like peanut butter but tastes like coconut". I'm in.

[capulin overdrive]

Health food :

Jalapenos haven't kind to the ole leather cheerio this week!

[SkiBall]

Any of you keto folks get blood work done? Cholesterol checked? Metals, macro/micro nutrients?
Just curious, my kids was on a whole whack of supplements due some pretty insane bloodwork.

I didn't do keto but did HFLC. Prior my LDL was borderline high and my HDL was a little low(has been for at least the past 3+ years). After, my LDL came down and my HDL is decently in the good range for the first time since maybe ever.

[Danno]

what difference is there between "keto" and "HFLC"? I thought HFLC was as good a summary of keto as there was.

[SkiBall]

I would have to read up on the comparison. Keto seems a little more hardcore/strict. I guess they are both as strict as you wanna make it though, eh? I was diligent more than strict.

[Danno]

I have heard the term "lazy keto" for those who do the general keto HFLC thing, but don't track their macros and just do the concept in some fashion.

[Skistack]

We found MCT oil at whole foods, and also bought some on Amazon. We searched for grass fed butter, but I found that the taste was exactly the same as regular butter. At 3x the price. Yeah, yeah, maybe the grass fed is a little healthier for you, but regular butter (unsalted) works just fine.

Of course, now that I am doing IF, I no longer drink the bulletproof coffee. But it's a very low hassle thing, just 20 seconds in a blender and you're good.

Grass fed butter (and beef) is supposed to be high in anti inflammatory omega 3’s while regular (grain fed) is high in inflammatory omega 6’s.


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[thefortrees]

Grass fed butter (and beef) is supposed to be high in anti inflammatory omega 3’s while regular (grain fed) is high in inflammatory omega 6’s.

If you are into that whole consumption of liberal propaganda thing, a good Ted Talk that touches on this is "How to live to be 100+" by Dan Buettner.

[hikesalot]

I have heard the term "lazy keto" for those who do the general keto HFLC thing, but don't track their macros and just do the concept in some fashion.

I believe keto in general is staying less than 20g of carbs (and more specific if tracking macros). I think LCHF is less restrictive (maybe 30-50g carbs) and not necessarily going for being in "ketosis." But apparently there are still benefits of that? I was referred to dietdoctor.com which has a bunch of info and recipes on both.

[Dantheman]

There's no established definition or cutoff for what constitutes a "low carb" diet. Hence why you sometimes see studies claiming to test "low carb" diets where 40% of calories or more come from starch and/or sucrose. However, most reasonable people seem to agree that the upper limit is somewhere around 30% of calories, or 150 g/day for a 2,000 cal/day diet. 30-50 grams would be considered very low carb, and probably low enough to maintain ketosis.

[hikesalot]

thanks DTM for clarifying

[capulin overdrive]

thanks DTM for clarifying

Your avatar pooch looks like a Cheesie with the pic shrunk down like. Always have do a double take and remember it's not.

[RockChalk]

Diving into Keto - hopefully it can make me less fat.

I'm not sure how I will do away with beer

[glademaster]

No way will that sausage be safely cooked unless you're planning to turn those eggs to dust along the way. Did DD teach you how to cook?

[Rideski]

Diving into Keto - hopefully it can make me less fat.

I'm not sure how I will do away with beer

I've been meaning to type up a hearty endorsement of the selter water. Thanks to those that suggested/supported.

The carbonation and mild flavor makes it more similar to beer than fruit juice. When I'm working on the house/yard I can easily knock back several beers. I think of them as flavored water. I don't even mind 3.2 beer or neer beer, but I don't generally buy them. But if you're looking to cut carbs, no better way to do it.

I had gotten into a bad habit of indulging a sugar craving shortly before bed with a glass of fruit juice. Although I usually cut it with half water, its still a lot of sugar. The selter completely satisfies in that regard with placebo effect.

On top of those aspects, it makes the belly full, so it's been a good substitute when snacking hunger pangs hit.

Sure, it's more expensive than water. But its about half the cost of even cheap beer and a quarter of good beer. Buy the 12packs at the market.

[Mofro261]

Diving into Keto - hopefully it can make me less fat.

I'm not sure how I will do away with beer

After many years of research, IBR* has been really the only thing that works me to lose the pesky 2-3% increase in BF I drink on each winter.


*intermittent beer reduction.

[Rideski]

I mean have you tried it on french fries? It's fucking awesome.

[SkiBall]

I have heard the term "lazy keto" for those who do the general keto HFLC thing, but don't track their macros and just do the concept in some fashion.

Sounds like me. Besides, I still like my ice cream.