The Nutrition Science thread

[Name Redacted]

I'm not in any way calling anyone in this thread a fvckstick, nor am I claiming to be an authority on fvckstickisms, I'm simply raising the flag on a skidog-esque chicken fvcking routine that's adding precisely zero value to the thread beyond extolling the virtues of self at the expense of thread participants looking to learn and improve in a myriad of different, unacknowledged ways.

"What really cures metabolic frustrations is condescension & platitudes"

Well said.

Back to regularly scheduled program.

[glademaster]

I'm not in any way calling anyone in this thread a fvckstick, nor am I claiming to be an authority on fvckstickisms, I'm simply raising the flag on a skidog-esque chicken fvcking routine that's adding precisely zero value to the thread beyond extolling the virtues of self at the expense of thread participants looking to learn and improve in a myriad of different, unacknowledged ways.

"What really cures metabolic frustrations is condescension & platitudes"

Hypocrisy in action. "To learn and improve in a [sic] myriad of different, unacknowledged ways." Unless those ways happen to provide a perspective that deviates slightly from the circle jerk. Open wide, I hear splooge is a-ok on the keto diet.

[Dantheman]

You should read about intermittent fasting, I've been doing it for I guess 3-4 years now. It definitely works for me. There's quite a bit of science on it, Dantheman has briefly touched on fasting on this thread. I eat two meals a day and confine all my food intake to an 8-hour period. It's totally easy and I've had good results. I eat breakfast around noon, eat more or less whatever I want between then and 8:00. I don't even eat all that much for breakfast, I'm not that hungry usually. Dinnertime I'm starved and I chow big, I just try not to make carbs too big a part of that (usually not always).

Like anything on the internet there's stuff you can find supporting every view point you can imagine, but here's one article to consider from a reputable source: https://www.prevention.com/weight-lo...ttent-fasting/

edit: Everybody says breakfast is the most important meal of the day, and I don't disagree, but who said breakfast has to be first thing in the morning? Breakfast is whenever you break the fast.

Yeah, the studies on breakfast are mostly bullshit. If you're not hungry, don't eat. The beauty of IF is that you just don't eat, so the huge time suck that meal planning and preparation can be just disappears. It's quite liberating in some ways. I'd go full 5:2 if I could, but I actually have a hard time eating enough as it is.

[Danno]

Hypocrisy in action. "To learn and improve in a [sic] myriad of different, unacknowledged ways." Unless those ways happen to provide a perspective that deviates slightly from the circle jerk. Open wide, I hear splooge is a-ok on the keto diet.

what useful perspective do you think you're providing? That simply watching what you eat and exercising regularly should help maintain a proper weight? Gee, thanks, a healthy diet and exercise, who'da thunk it?

Or is your perspective "in my uneducated and 30 year old view, you guys are doing it wrong"? Thanks for that too.

You're just trumpeting your own horn for how awesome you are and how wrong we are. There's no valuable perspective there. And there isn't proselytizing here, it's a bunch of people talking about different aspects of nutrition and trying to hit upon what will work from them, and trying to learn from others. All you have to offer is "eat smart and exercise". Great, we get it, thanks for contributing that morsel of wisdom, we never would have arrived at that without your help.

[skaredshtles]

what useful perspective do you think you're providing? That simply watching what you eat and exercising regularly should help maintain a proper weight? Gee, thanks, a healthy diet and exercise, who'da thunk it?

Or is your perspective "in my uneducated and 30 year old view, you guys are doing it wrong"? Thanks for that too.

You're just trumpeting your own horn for how awesome you are and how wrong we are. There's no valuable perspective there. And there isn't proselytizing here, it's a bunch of people talking about different aspects of nutrition and trying to hit upon what will work from them, and trying to learn from others. All you have to offer is "eat smart and exercise". Great, we get it, thanks for contributing that morsel of wisdom, we never would have arrived at that without your help.

Instead of expending all that energy... just:

[Self Jupiter]

Cardio is good for weight loss.... take a lap!

[Norseman]

Tell us more about these so-called Morsels of Wisdom.

Do they taste like bacon? Will they make you fart? Do they grow in the woods? Can they allow for turbo-hypno-keto-fascio-fasting? Will they lead to a kinder society?

[SLCMunchie]

somewhat big into road cycling to weight and diet has always interested me. listening to a trainer road podcast, their nutritionist and head coach/trainer discuss the keto diet. obviously it was skewed towards cyclist and endurance athletes, but they had a lot to say about how tight of a window ketosis is- meaning that if you aren't in ketosis, you are just consuming all that extra protien and potentially fat which obviously has their very negative consequences of ingesting too much of. they suggested hitting ketosis for just a few weeks, then backing off to a regular balanced diet. keto diet is just that- a diet and not a lifestyle.

just thought i'd share what i've heard from nutritionists and endurance coaches and their take. i'm typing this as i'm eating sausage pizza though, so....

[abraham]

Tell us more about these so-called Morsels of Wisdom.

Do they taste like bacon? Will they make you fart? Do they grow in the woods? Can they allow for turbo-hypno-keto-fascio-fasting? Will they lead to a kinder society?

Morels of wisdom sound really good right now. Fried in some butter, maybe with some pan fried gnocchi?

[Name Redacted]

Only side effect I'm experiencing is low energy sometimes. I still did a 20 mile ride on a mountain bike this weekend and while I did feel sluggish, I still climbed 2800' without fully bonking, so I'll take it. Usually happens when I'm doing the AM fast but I power through usually.

Stomach actually feels better than it has in a long time, and the wife is convinced that I'm a glutard but I won't accept it. I've had reflux issues and snoring for the last year, part of what I've trying to change with the diet. That has all ceased in the last week which is awesome.

Sleep has been great, especially after a few vodka drinks, the one night I went without was OK too though.

I have no strips yet, they are taking the long way here from amazon apparently. Pretty sure I'm in ketosis, but no confirmation yet. Lost about 12 lbs since I started two weeks ago so that's nice (but a lot of that was lost in a 3 day fast and the weight was from 2 weeks of eating and drinking like complete shit). Shooting to be under 200 by my 40th birthday next month. Hoping for more. If I had more time to exercise I'd be there by now probably.

[Supermoon]

Something interesting here is the discussion of weight loss vs overall health. I was doing low/slow carb for awhile and lost a bunch of weight, but I was generally in a worse mood, had stomach issues constantly and felt low energy. The last year I’ve gone to a vegetarian diet for other reasons, and while I’m about ten pounds heavier I feel better, have more energy, etc.

IF is interesting to me as a way to get back that ten pounds without the same downsides of low carb and being able to stay vegetarian.

[SkiCougar]

Something interesting here is the discussion of weight loss vs overall health. I was doing low/slow carb for awhile and lost a bunch of weight, but I was generally in a worse mood, had stomach issues constantly and felt low energy. The last year I’ve gone to a vegetarian diet for other reasons, and while I’m about ten pounds heavier I feel better, have more energy, etc.

IF is interesting to me as a way to get back that ten pounds without the same downsides of low carb and being able to stay vegetarian.

I too have experienced a loss of energy if I go too low on carbs, just isn't a reserve it seems; so I don't throw out all carbs.

[splat]

Morels of wisdom sound really good right now. Fried in some butter, maybe with some pan fried gnocchi?

The fungal brain matter is to be savored slowly in order to absorb the alien intelligence.

[Dantheman]

Something interesting here is the discussion of weight loss vs overall health. I was doing low/slow carb for awhile and lost a bunch of weight, but I was generally in a worse mood, had stomach issues constantly and felt low energy. The last year I’ve gone to a vegetarian diet for other reasons, and while I’m about ten pounds heavier I feel better, have more energy, etc.

IF is interesting to me as a way to get back that ten pounds without the same downsides of low carb and being able to stay vegetarian.

How are you carrying those ten pounds on your body? Mostly body fat I assume since you want to get rid of them?

Weight alone is such a poor indicator of health if you aren't way out on one end of the spectrum. Most people who say they need to "lose weight" would love how they felt and what they see in the mirror if they lost ten pounds of fat and gained ten pounds of muscle, but are often singularly focused on the scale and feel like they've failed to achieve anything.

There are also plenty of people out there who think their BMI of 23 means they're doing great, but they're skinny-fat with a sizeable gut, no muscle mass and metabolic syndrome.

[Supermoon]

How are you carrying those ten pounds on your body? Mostly body fat I assume since you want to get rid of them?

Weight alone is such a poor indicator of health if you aren't way out on one end of the spectrum. Most people who say they need to "lose weight" would love how they felt and what they see in the mirror if they lost ten pounds of fat and gained ten pounds of muscle, but are often singularly focused on the scale and feel like they've failed to achieve anything.

There are also plenty of people out there who think their BMI of 23 means they're doing great, but they're skinny-fat with a sizeable gut, no muscle mass and metabolic syndrome.

Yeah, mostly extra fat I'm assuming based on how I look and how my clothes fit. I could actually have lost some muscle mass in the process as well if my protein intake has decreased. I don't really stress about a number, but just want to be light and fit enough to climb up hills on bikes or skis, and rock climb or boulder without feeling like a total fat ass. Lol.

When I was doing MMA I would cut down to my weight class and still be in the "overweight" category in BMI so I've never given that much thought.

[Game Over]

Yeah, the studies on breakfast are mostly bullshit. If you're not hungry, don't eat. The beauty of IF is that you just don't eat, so the huge time suck that meal planning and preparation can be just disappears. It's quite liberating in some ways. I'd go full 5:2 if I could, but I actually have a hard time eating enough as it is.

5:2??

[babybear]

You should read about intermittent fasting, I've been doing it for I guess 3-4 years now. It definitely works for me. There's quite a bit of science on it, Dantheman has briefly touched on fasting on this thread. I eat two meals a day and confine all my food intake to an 8-hour period. It's totally easy and I've had good results. I eat breakfast around noon, eat more or less whatever I want between then and 8:00. I don't even eat all that much for breakfast, I'm not that hungry usually. Dinnertime I'm starved and I chow big, I just try not to make carbs too big a part of that (usually not always).

Like anything on the internet there's stuff you can find supporting every view point you can imagine, but here's one article to consider from a reputable source: https://www.prevention.com/weight-lo...ttent-fasting/

edit: Everybody says breakfast is the most important meal of the day, and I don't disagree, but who said breakfast has to be first thing in the morning? Breakfast is whenever you break the fast.

yea I stopped feeling guilty about skipping breakfast when I read up a bunch about IF.
Breakfast was just such a PITA anyway. I didn't feel like eating it and the things I did feel like eating (toast) made me feel guilty the rest of the day and the things they say you should eat like oatmeal make me want to gag. I was doing coffee normally in the am but then went to black coffee after reading more about how the dairy throws off the fast bene's.

The beauty of IF is that you just don't eat, so the huge time suck that meal planning and preparation can be just disappears. It's quite liberating in some ways. I'd go full 5:2 if I could, but I actually have a hard time eating enough as it is.

this was such an added benefit too. I don't have to interrupt my super productive part of the day to make a meal. I mean I know people are going to poo poo it and say it only takes a couple minutes to cook an egg but I really just didn't feel like eating and thinking, "oh I should go make something for breakfast" over and over was a daily mental suck.

[Name Redacted]

yea I stopped feeling guilty about skipping breakfast when I read up a bunch about IF.
Breakfast was just such a PITA anyway. I didn't feel like eating it and the things I did feel like eating (toast) made me feel guilty the rest of the day and the things they say you should eat like oatmeal make me want to gag. I was doing coffee normally in the am but then went to black coffee after reading more about how the dairy throws off the fast bene's.



this was such an added benefit too. I don't have to interrupt my super productive part of the day to make a meal. I mean I know people are going to poo poo it and say it only takes a couple minutes to cook an egg but I really just didn't feel like eating and thinking, "oh I should go make something for breakfast" over and over was a daily mental suck.

I'm definitely not a breakfast person either. I love eggs, but never take the time. Now I do the Bulletproof coffee and don't eat till noon. MCT oil and Ghee is the best. Coconut oil is good too. Fills me up and I can usually make it. I've always been a black coffee guy but it always tore up my stomach. This is much easier and I don't get the jitters.

[Danno]

But that bulletproof coffee throws off the IF benefits, doesn't it?

[babybear]

the bulletproof is easy and a good breakfast replacement for sure- andrew does it almost every day as he can't get enough to eat, and I'll have some once in awhile- but I'm straight up looking for the zero calorie breakfast/ to eliminate that time of caloric in take altogether.

I have some headwinds- low thyroid (been taking a pill daily to stimulate it since I was in my 20's boo!) and I work at a desk at a relatively stressful job. It's crazy too when the kids here scoff at what will happen. bc I am surely far more active than the average person and it's not easy to maintain.
Lucky are those few that have the right body set-up. Andrew gets his from his mom, who houses meals and has always been thin/ fit. of course she had to get a b00b job though to get an a-cup bc she had no body fat, so it's not always a bed of roses

[babybear]

But that bulletproof coffee throws off the IF benefits, doesn't it?

yea it does bc it is essentially a meal replacement so ends the fast

[mcski]

So you do eat breakfast

[iceman]

5:2??

Eating 5 days a week, fasting 2.

[Name Redacted]

But that bulletproof coffee throws off the IF benefits, doesn't it?

Some claim that it is IF. But I’m just fumbling along. There’s really no way I could make it to noon without it.

[Fritz]

So you do eat breakfast

Good one [emoji23]