Not cool, Ford. Not cool.

[reckless toboggan]

Didn't you know? AustinFromSA is Greedo's brother.

AustinFromSA?

Heh.

I'd have shot first too.

[skaredshtles]

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What is it about dentists that they know exactly how everyone else's businesses could be run better...

Kinda makes you wonder why they just didn't become automotive executives, doesn't it?

I mean - that's gotta be better (and better paying) than sticking your hands in nasty oral orifices, dunnit?

[skaredshtles]

Didn't you know? AustinFromSA is Greedo's brother.

Greedo shot first.

Edit: dammit... sniped.

[PNWbrit]

I do like the ford focus estate in euroland. https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-ne...-release-date/
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0-60 in 10s with diesel or gas. . Gas 58 mpg and diesel 78 mpg. Why can Americans not drive sensible cars?

Not fast but with a 6 speed manual you feel faster.Top model is 27,600 pounds list price.

Or the Mondeo (Fusion) wagon

[JimmyCarter]

I think ford is playing the long game and is going to snatch up tesla once elon cant raise new equity.

[east or bust]

78mpg and comes with a MT option? sign me up.

[GeezerSteve]

Gas 58 mpg and diesel 78 mpg

Imperial gallon and very lax UK MPG test which has no connection to real world MPG

[PNWbrit]

78mpg and comes with a MT option? sign me up.

Probably British gallons? which are ~0.8 litres bigger. That'd be only place in Europe, although less and less often now, that would use mpgs as a measurement.

Edit: Steve beat me to it.

[GeezerSteve]

Probably British gallons? which are ~0.8 litres bigger.

Yes, imperial gallon. Also UK MPG test, like Japan test, is akin to hypermiling. Some Japan and UK MPG ratings are double of US rating for identical car.

[PNWbrit]

Steve you still have a new Imprezza?

Thoughts?

[GeezerSteve]

We sold it (2012 Impreza) to a bud when we decided to go from 3 vehicles (2 cars, 1 pickup) to 2 (1 car + 1 pickup). The Impreza is running fine last I heard

[PNWbrit]

We sold it (2012 Impreza) to a bud when we decided to go from 3 vehicles (2 cars, 1 pickup) to 2 (1 car + 1 pickup). The Impreza is running fine last I heard

No worries I thought I remembered you'd got a very recent one, recently.

On her shopping list.

[plugboots]

Hey brit, my niece just did the small car/SUV thing and she’s slightly on the spectrum, super analytical, and she ended up with a Forrester, because of all the deals right now and she could play one dealer off another.


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[Self Jupiter]

Impressive number of experts on here that know more about auto manufacturing, marketing, and sales and are better skiers than those people too

There, I Fify

[PNWbrit]

Hey brit, my niece just did the small car/SUV thing and she’s slightly on the spectrum, super analytical, and she ended up with a Forrester, because of all the deals right now and she could play one dealer off another.


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Not sure she wants a Forester but we'll probably look at the deals on imprezza and or a certified used one.

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[cat in january]

Thanks for the correction on the mpg. Still sounds like Ford has some real gas sippers over there.

[ill-advised strategy]

What about their fleet program? They seem to have the largest fleet business out there. It must be a significant portion of their Tauras/Fusion business.

The company I work for probably owns 1500 F150s, 1000 Fusions, 200 Explorers, and a few larger Ford trucks and vans. All purchased through their fleet program direct from the factory.

If Ford drops the Fusions and forces us to buy Escapes, I'm sure that 5-10mpg hit is significant enough on 1000 vehicles for us to start to think about signing a contract with GM....

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Ford lost a shitload of fleet business with that horrendous 6.0 powerstroke fiasco too.
fucking up...it's painful to see, being as how Ford still employs a lot of union workers in my struggling state.

[jono]

Why can Americans not drive sensible cars?

Not fast but with a 6 speed manual you feel faster.Top model is 27,600 pounds list price.

Exact MPG aside, you make a good point and a big piece of the answer is Corporate Average Fuel Economy. This article is from 2012, and I'm sure it's a moving target now, but regulations only the writers read tend to be significant in these matters:

In 2006, CAFE altered the formula for its 2011 fuel economy targets, by calculating a vehicle’s “footprint”, which is the vehicle’s wheelbase multiplied by its wheel track. The footprint is expressed in square feet, and calculating this value is probably the most transparent part of the regulations. Fuel economy targets are a function of a vehicle’s footprint; the smaller the footprint, the tougher the standards are. A car such as the Honda Fit, with its footprint of 40 square feet, has to achieve 61 mpg CAFE, or 43 mpg IRL by 2025 to comply with regulations. At the opposite end of the spectrum, a full-size truck like the Ford F-150, with a footprint of 75 square feet, only needs to hit 30 mpg CAFE, or 23 mpg IRL, by the same timeframe.

Notable that the Mustang has a pretty CAFE-friendly footprint compared to their other cars. Skinny tires pushed out to the fender lips and a smaller engine might be Ford's new economy car.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...tation-wagons/

[reckless toboggan]

Trump is rolling back fuel economy and environmental regulations. Ford is the first car (...sorry, automobile...) company responding.

Get ready for the return of the Super Hummer Canyonero Widestance.

[jono]

Trump is rolling back fuel economy and environmental regulations. Ford is the first car (...sorry, automobile...) company responding.

Get ready for the return of the Super Hummer Canyonero.

Sure, but after all the work they put into writing these regulations (Ford and GM's lobbyists, I mean) what do you think the odds are they scrap the stupidest parts? My money's on the footprint part surviving and the mileage numbers getting halved. Of course, if this is a one-time opportunity they should probably get creative and add another 2000 pages, too while they're at it.

[old goat]

Impressive number of experts on here that know more about auto manufacturing, marketing, and sales than Ford Motor Company.

Oh, I think the US automakers showed how little they know about the manufacturing, marketing, and sales of motor vehicles in the late 60's and 70's when the Japanese makers and the oil shock caught them with their pants down--clearly less than the average tgr dentist. No reason to think they're any smarter today.

[gravitylover]

Not sure she wants a Forester but we'll probably look at the deals on imprezza and or a certified used one.

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CPO is the way to go IMHO. While new cars are more reliable than they've ever been there are some things that can be disastrously expensive when they go wrong. Something simple like I had a slow oil leak coming form the bottom of the timing chain cover on my 2013 BRZ and when I got tired of the smoke coming out from under the hood when I'd stop at a traffic light I brought it in. The leak was so slow it didn't even register as low oil after 4k miles but the smoke... To fix it was a 5 hour job and the warranty labor was listed at $625 Over the winter I started getting a crazy moan when turning the steering wheel quickly at low speeds like in a parking lot so Subaru replaced the steering column and steering wheel after 3 separate visits to the dealer. Parts cost was well in excess of $1k and labor was some silly amount but I was only $50 out of pocket for the deductible. Now the car is almost at 100k so I'm tying to flesh out any other issues that would be covered under the Gold CPO plan so they get taken care of before the coverage runs out. FWIW they also usually hook me up with a loaner car for $15 if it's going to be there overnight.

[MontuckyFried]

Oh, I think the US automakers showed how little they know about the manufacturing, marketing, and sales of motor vehicles in the late 60's and 70's when the Japanese makers and the oil shock caught them with their pants down--clearly less than the average tgr dentist. No reason to think they're any smarter today.

Yup. Especially when companies, in an effort to impress shareholders, are zooming in on quarterly profits. It's not that they weren't selling the vehicles they're axing. It's that those vehicles weren't making as much profit as their SUVs and trucks. Does this decision make sense for the balance sheet short term? Absolutely. Is it wise long term? That remains to be seen, but I'd put my money on "No." Ford is no Mercedes-Benz or BMW marquee that can get away with only expensive vehicles. This now means that even the lowest priced vehicle on a freaking Ford lot would be out of reach even for me. In my opinion, this will do nothing but hurt the brand in the long run once people are all tapped out buying expensive trucks (which are absurdly expensive these days) and SUVs. Our economy hits a bump in the road or gas goes up, Ford is SCREWED.

[ncskier]

This crowd is not a normal car buying crowd. Who the hell cares about ford cars. It’s a smart business move. They just released the ecosport which is a glorified hatchback. Call it what you will, but they are getting rid of low to the ground hatch backs and sedans and putting people into slightly higher sedans and hatchbacks. There is really no mpg hit either.
No one wants 6 speed manual awd diesel wagons. Despite the hand wringing here. A Ford Escape is a glorified fusion sedan with a bubble over the trunk deck.
They even come in hybrid versions for the inevitable gas spike.
Yes the horror is people like cars that are easier to drive and get in to. Most people sit in traffic all day and are not worried about running the tail of the dragon while shifting.
As for fleets, I rent almost weekly and it seems most of all rentals are crossovers already with maybe the occasional Camry or Malibu thrown in.


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[HankScorpio]

I drive by a Ford dealer every single day to pick up my son and they've had the same 2 Focus RS's and 3 Mustang GT's sitting out front since last fall. Meanwhile, they seem to have several different Raptors out front every day. I also see Raptors almost daily driving around town. Kinda gives an insight into what Americans are buying these days when they want speed.