2017 Praxis Skis Info and Resource Thread

[jmars]

Thanks Macchio, I hit you back.

I think the PB are just to much width IMO at 170 and some sidecut is a must I feel. Agreed that the 172 Protest would be sick if based on the 163 and I wouldn't be bothering all if it was. The 177 2/2+ may really work though....or at least that's what I'm telling myself. The length more than anything may throw her off visually but if it still pivots on a dime then I would think length would be offset a bit

[eskido]

....Japow ski for next years trip and then a closet ski broken out for cat/heli.

Ehhhh, if it works out I bet they'll see more use than you'd think, obviously just pow days but I'd guess all of them if they end up being as fun for her as the normal ones are for me.

[SchralphMacchio]

Protest 177 2/2+ may really work though....or at least that's what I'm telling myself. The length more than anything may throw her off visually but if it still pivots on a dime then I would think length would be offset a bit

My guts tell me that a 177 medium-soft Protest- @ 118 underfoot mounted on the line will feel looser and shorter in pow than 175 GPO @ 111 underfoot mounted @ -1cm.

If you need a Japow ski I think you go Protest- and remount + detune the Vagabonds as I suggested offline.

If the Protest- ends up not to her liking, I bet you can re-sell to a mag looking for a lady's pow ski.

[jmars]

Funny I started looking at the specs of the 169 RX...but I question if a skinny 177 protest pivots quicker. Seems like the RX skis longer which is nice for me but I'm not sure its the move for her.....even those clearly the RX is for all!

[jmars]

Agreed Macchio.....may have to build skinny protest #1.

[grinch]

I’ve read to much so I have to ask...why hasn’t anyone pulled the trigger on a skinny protest....I’m assuming no one wants to be the first? Maybe I missed something in my reading

I want a fat wootest. New 179 wootest would be 180 in fat sized

[TahoeJ]

Praxis Rx

Well, I'm considering a skinny Praxis RX. No place in my quiver for the regular one. As the all-time promoter of this ski, what are your thoughts on a skinny version?

[N1CK.]

did you notice there is ONE pair of 169 RX on the discount page right now???

if truly her deep/pow skis, go Protest vs GPO. there is nothing like the Protest in it's environment.

[jmars]

I saw the RX but if it’s stock flex it’s a pass...blasphemy I know. Graphicallly it’s the right ski...

This is a soft snow, 3d snow, awesome snow ski for her....my only hold back is Keith not being overly confident (also not negative either) and this build maybe skinny Protest #1....so it’s an unknown. I don’t see why it won’t work but it’s a gamble regardless what I think I “know”.

I’m thinking 177 (at minus 10), flex 2/2.5, enduro and nylon tip sheet. I’m leaning towards a 2.5 on flex but will address with Keith on this too.

[steveski]

Thanks Steve....Japow ski for next years trip and then a closet ski broken out for cat/heli.

Keith noted his issue is the tip measurement of a skinny protest 129/118/122 and questioned if the design would lose some integrity by sizing down but he also noted that it may work for smaller skiers. Further Keith noted that its kinda what was discussed a lot with the wootest, but the wootest was sized down even more from the protest.

I want the design to work b/c I think the Protest in stock form is sweet and the Skinny version for my wife makes sense in theory but is it a gamble that can fail....part of me thinks not.

Good info and insight from Keith (of course!)

Would a stock protest be too much ski for anything but Japan for her? The concern for too much ski might be less important than the concerns from Keith of altering/sizing down the beloved protest shape. I have friends who have skied Japan for years and have taken Pontoons, powder boards, etc for maximum float.

It's very hard choice (and why I have both GPO and protest). GPO gets used way more and was also very good in Japan. For a smaller skier it could be the ticket.

[SchralphMacchio]

Keith noted his issue is the tip measurement of a skinny protest 129/118/122 and questioned if the design would lose some integrity by sizing down but he also noted that it may work for smaller skiers. Further Keith noted that its kinda what was discussed a lot with the wootest

For shitzengiggles, I looked into the original Woo thread ... and the 1.0 was basically a -15 Protest that most people loved in the snow it was intended for (deep backcountry snow), but there were grabby concerns in crusty snow and stability questions at high speeds. So this is what was changed in the 2.0 to make the ski more versatile in variable conditions:

The rough idea is:

1) more tapered tip, IE: less squared off

2) tip contact point/wide point slightly more forward

3) more tail splay/rocker

We had a really shitty snow 'pack' last year and there were enough instances of that tip grab in some funky crusty manky stuff that we thought it was worth addressing. I've only skied the 2.0s hiking so far and about the only gripe I've had is some tip drag in some absolute blower. Not 'tahoe blower' some genuinely really dry super low water content stuff that fell here a few weeks ago.....a few feet of it.

The tail rocker is the same or even more than the protest. But it's also got much less surface area and doesn't stay on top of the snow as well as the protest.....hence locks in harder because it's not planing out as easily. That's why I and some other folks are on the more rockered tail idea for the 2.0. As far as pushing the taper forward.....sometimes hard snow happens. On chute entrances, on wind/sun crusted aspects. The 1.0s are fine and get through those conditions but they felt a little weird with all the side cut at and behind your foot......with little to none in front. Long story short, I and a few others were convinced that literally just making a narrower protest would be the shit. The truth is we had to admit that cutting down on all that surface area did affect the ski enough that some tweaks were needed, or some features exaggerated if you will to get the narrower version to do the same things as the protest.

And right now my 2.0s are a cm back from where I ended up on my version 1.0s. So far I think it's good.

It doesn't seem like the -10 Protest is as much of a "gamble" if you know what the original complaints of the 1.0 were. Seems like a slightly rearward mounting point [EDIT, maybe not, might have to consult Keith a bit more on the mount point for Protest 177 compared to Wootest 179 and see if he has an opinion about less sidecut in front of the foot on the Protest] and detuned reverse sidecut areas will make that ski pretty manageable.

This ought to tell you everything you need to know.

Wootest 1.0 Thread
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...-praxis-thread

Wootest 2.0 Adjustments Thread
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...Kidwoo-Woo-2-0

[Banh Mi]

Anyone have weights for standard Quixote? 188 and 194?

[mr_pretzel]

Anyone have weights for standard Quixote? 188 and 194?

188 2117g & 2132g

[jmars]

Thank you Macchio, I will start reading

[nickel]

Why not just get a standard protest for your missus if it's only for when things are really good? Is the extra 5mm on each side of her foot really that concerning?

[Kopi_Red]

^^^ My thoughts exactly.

[skibrd]

Not sure what size you are looking at but the smallest Protest is not 128 under foot.


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[SchralphMacchio]

He’s not that interested in the 163 as it seems shorter than he thinks his wife would prefer, but the next size up is 177.

[jmars]

Bingo, I think the 163 is to short at this moment. I’m neck deep in these wootest threads, the education/history is fantastic.

I understand that 128 may work fine but 5’4” 120lbs is a much smaller person on 128mm waist. I’m still in the thought of why have the extra width on her legs/knees? It’s more than a measured width IMO...smaller human frame, smaller bsl and lighter weigh driver all factor in as I am thinking about this.

Back to more wootest reading

[SupreChicken]

Rumors of the chicken test (-10 protest) are true, but I did not pull the trigger due to the Quixote availability. I was thinking of a 186 for pow touring.

Having done all these thought experiments for myself. I think the safest move for mrs. Jmars is to go with the most predictable ski, and IMO, that’s the 175 GPO. At -1, she won’t be able to sink the tip and that will eliminate the learning curve, oddness, risk of a -10 design and increase your resale chances. It would suck to go to Japan, be in waist deep snow and struggle with skis you don’t know or can’t predict.

This is why I rode Japan on Billy goats.

[SupreChicken]

Rumors of the chicken test (-10 protest) are true, but I did not pull the trigger due to the Quixote availability. I was thinking of a 186 for pow touring.

Having done all these thought experiments for myself. I think the safest move for mrs. Jmars is to go with the most predictable ski, and IMO, that’s the 175 GPO. At -1, she won’t be able to sink the tip and that will eliminate the learning curve, oddness, risk of a -10 design and increase your resale chances. It would suck to go to Japan, be in waist deep snow and struggle with skis you don’t know or can’t predict.

This is why I rode Japan on Billy goats.

Edit to add: I couldn’t stand the woo 1.0. Likely also contributed to my decision not to get a 118 protest.

[Cars Suck]

Bingo, I think the 163 is to short at this moment. I’m neck deep in these wootest threads, the education/history is fantastic.

I understand that 128 may work fine but 5’4” 120lbs is a much smaller person on 128mm waist. I’m still in the thought of why have the extra width on her legs/knees? It’s more than a measured width IMO...smaller human frame, smaller bsl and lighter weigh driver all factor in as I am thinking about this.

Back to more wootest reading

Hi jmars, my 2c. I'm only 5'8" and weighted about 155lbs when I got my Protests (188, first batch pre dimple). Not exactly a burly charger. I really like shorter, stiff skis and my DD ski at the time (2009 or 10, can't remember) was a Blizzard Titan Eight at 169. I took a leap of faith and bought them but the Protests seemed absolutely massive when first on snow and I hated them, like 'wtf did I buy?'

But after a couple days, and once I got that center stance dialed, the Protests became the most nimble, easy, and competent ski I've ever had.

After that learning curve at no point did I ever feel that size. They just skipped down the hill with such careless and efficient ease I skied faster and with more control than I thought possible.

I sold them when I had to move to LA and that was a big mistake. I'm also heading to Japan next year and am currently debating a CCR GPO or new Protest. My only hesitation is how versatile the GPO is and hoping to get some of the Protest fun factor with the GPO. If this will be a money day ski for your wife I'd go PT for sure.

[dschane]

Having done all these thought experiments for myself. I think the safest move for mrs. Jmars is to go with the most predictable ski, and IMO, that’s the 175 GPO. At -1, she won’t be able to sink the tip and that will eliminate the learning curve, oddness, risk of a -10 design and increase your resale chances. It would suck to go to Japan, be in waist deep snow and struggle with skis you don’t know or can’t predict.

Totally agree
(unless the Rx's were in contention).

[jmars]

All fair boys....all fair....and appreciated

[N1CK.]

since experimental skis are being kicked around ... a 173 MVP +10mm would = 174cm, 141-119-135. Hmmmm.