The Official Salomon S/Lab SHIFT MNC Thread -AMA

[skimanguydude]

Well, to add some more optimism to this thread, I think these look great! I suspect they'll be my first dedicated touring setup. I'm thinking Bibby Tours, Hawk Ultra XTD 120s and Shifts would be a sweet combo.

[margotron]

Yo yo yo. Here comes mattress discounters. The group buy is a go. It's free shipping and 15% off. If 30 of us pre-order it's 20% off ($440 to your dooor!) Take that tectons and kingpins


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[grinch]

Nice work!!! Hopefully a Canadian group buy happens

[kootenayskier]

Nice work!!! Hopefully a Canadian group buy happens

X2

[LeeLau]

Nice work!!! Hopefully a Canadian group buy happens

I'm trying to work on one for preorder group buy. Will update

[margotron]

Nice work!!! Hopefully a Canadian group buy happens

Bet Tahoe Mountain Sports would ship buuut I dunno all the intracacies involved. Is it a lot? Slash I don't speak for TMS, Just talking out loud


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[margotron]

Onenerdykid is looking into the mounting pattern

[SupreChicken]

Thanks, ONK.

So for the idiots like me, here’s what I have concluded from this.

The more rockered the boot sole, the higher the ramp angle.

So an alpine or alpine compatible boot (lupo TI with din soles eg) will have a ramp delta of 1mm.

A Vulcan or maestrale or mtn Lab will be somewhat more. Max ramp delta is 9mm.

So if you need that rockered sole for where you plan to take this setup, a higher ramp delta is your admission price. Still better than the vipec.

If you can do without the rockered sole — WTR, DIN blocks etc — this will be more flat than an STH.

If you go with the “one setup to rule them all” approach, you likely won’t be able to tell much difference between this and an alpine setup.

If you switch between boots for different missions, you might feel some difference, but even worst case scenario is only a couple mm off the ramp angle of an STH...

Engineers, feel free to disagree with me.

But if the above is accurate, I’ll happily beta test.

I’m guessing both frame and alpine bindings will eventually dip in their resale value if this thing can avoid recalls or serious problems.

[margotron]

Thanks, ONK.

So for the idiots like me, here’s what I have concluded from this.

The more rockered the boot sole, the higher the ramp angle.

So an alpine or alpine compatible boot (lupo TI with din soles eg) will have a ramp delta of 1mm.

A Vulcan or maestrale or mtn Lab will be somewhat more. Max ramp delta is 9mm.

So if you need that rockered sole for where you plan to take this setup, a higher ramp delta is your admission price. Still better than the vipec.

If you can do without the rockered sole — WTR, DIN blocks etc — this will be more flat than an STH.

If you go with the “one setup to rule them all” approach, you likely won’t be able to tell much difference between this and an alpine setup.

If you switch between boots for different missions, you might feel some difference, but even worst case scenario is only a couple mm off the ramp angle of an STH...

Engineers, feel free to disagree with me.

But if the above is accurate, I’ll happily beta test.

I’m guessing both frame and alpine bindings will eventually dip in their resale value if this thing can avoid recalls or serious problems.

That's a clever way to get a pair of bindings



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[LHutz Esq]

I could see frame binding sales dip. I hope they don’t disappear altogether though.

The whole time I was skiing the shifts I was trying to think where in my quiver they would land. I came up with the following exhaustive list:

1) next time I go to japan.

That’s it. I am religiously opposed to the quiver of 1. Be it skis bikes boots - the less compromise the better.

So touring with them - they have a great, tech feel. But they are too heavy to replace my current touring set up. On the down they are again amazing - but my boots let me down. I want my dh boots on most powder days- so I have frame bindings on my pow/sidecountry set up and if I have to skin it is usually not for long. So not being able to ski up with the dh boots- I think I’ll stay with the current set up for now.

But if a) the wife only let me have one set up - it would be the shifts on a 105/106 ski like the Quests I tried em on with some nice stiff touring boots- luckily my issue isn’t that I can’t buy new skis just if I buy myself a pair - I have to buy her a pair. B) if I didn’t live 5 min from pow and had to fly a lot for my fix - the same set up would be perfect.... or my next trip to Japow - just cause.

I see these selling like crazy. Lots of folks on the hill with frame bindings that rarely tour or who wouldn’t notice the step down to the touring boot.

[grinch]

I'm trying to work on one for preorder group buy. Will update

Sweet! I would think 30 pair is possible up here too

Bet Tahoe Mountain Sports would ship buuut I dunno all the intracacies involved. Is it a lot? Slash I don't speak for TMS, Just talking out loud


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Thanks. I think the usd-cad puts it out of range especially when you factor in tax and duty. Atomic/Salomon adjust the msrp for Canada , so the 20%/30pair from Canadian msrp would be ideal

[grinch]

X2

Hopefully/fingers crossed we get to x30

[XXX-er]

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next time I go to japan.

That’s it. I am religiously opposed to the quiver of 1. Be it skis bikes boots - the less compromise the better.

So touring with them - they have a great, tech feel. But they are too heavy to replace my current touring set up. On the down they are again amazing - but my boots let me down. I want my dh boots on most powder days- so I have frame bindings on my pow/sidecountry set up and if I have to skin it is usually not for long. So not being able to ski up with the dh boots- I think I’ll stay with the current set up for now.

But if a) the wife only let me have one set up - it would be the shifts on a 105/106 ski like the Quests I tried em on with some nice stiff touring boots- luckily my issue isn’t that I can’t buy new skis just if I buy myself a pair - I have to buy her a pair. B) if I didn’t live 5 min from pow and had to fly a lot for my fix - the same set up would be perfect.... or my next trip to Japow - just cause.
.

yeah as discussed I do not have a need for this^^ binding and a quiver of 1 is just so wrong, personally I would take the same lotus 120/ vert/ vulcan back to japan

never mind your new " Huski " you would have to comission James to make you another ski to bribe your significant other and it could be called "the Wifeski"

[auvgeek]

I could see frame binding sales dip. I hope they don’t disappear altogether though.

The whole time I was skiing the shifts I was trying to think where in my quiver they would land. I came up with the following exhaustive list:

1) next time I go to japan.

That’s it. I am religiously opposed to the quiver of 1. Be it skis bikes boots - the less compromise the better.

So touring with them - they have a great, tech feel. But they are too heavy to replace my current touring set up. On the down they are again amazing - but my boots let me down. I want my dh boots on most powder days- so I have frame bindings on my pow/sidecountry set up and if I have to skin it is usually not for long. So not being able to ski up with the dh boots- I think I’ll stay with the current set up for now.

But if a) the wife only let me have one set up - it would be the shifts on a 105/106 ski like the Quests I tried em on with some nice stiff touring boots- luckily my issue isn’t that I can’t buy new skis just if I buy myself a pair - I have to buy her a pair. B) if I didn’t live 5 min from pow and had to fly a lot for my fix - the same set up would be perfect.... or my next trip to Japow - just cause.

I see these selling like crazy. Lots of folks on the hill with frame bindings that rarely tour or who wouldn’t notice the step down to the touring boot.

YMMV, but I'd probably get the guys at CAST to put some tech inserts in my boots just to avoid frame binders. (Obviously after the Shift has been out for a season or two and any real durability issues are flushed out.)

[grinch]

Try a lupo c 130. It’s not a plug boot but it is a true 130 flex alpine flex ski boot. It’s only fault is the need to remove the tongue for long climbs. The lupo sp has been a very popular, for good reason, alpine boot. My lupo c ti is every bit as stiff and skis the same. The new 130c is a hair softer. If you need a wider last , the ax’s cover that. I was going to keep my much loved lupo sp bit after skiing my lupo c ti for a while, there was no need for the lupo sp. lupo c 130 with shift really narrows the compromise. A Vulcan would transfer between your lighter speed turn setup and your shift setup seamlessly along with the lupo c 130

[Flounder]

it would be the shifts on a 105/106 ski like the Quests.

This is where I plan on putting them in my quiver, 106 quest for touring and on piste powder days. Currently touring on F-12s so they will be a much better touring binding for me.

Got a few runs on the switch Saturday. No touring, just skied them in my alpine boots on groomed. Conditions in VT are suboptimal at the moment. They skied great in downhill mode. If conditions improve, I hope to get out on a tour before years end. Looks like good solution for my needs.

[margotron]

Try a lupo c 130. It’s not a plug boot but it is a true 130 flex alpine flex ski boot. It’s only fault is the need to remove the tongue for long climbs. The lupo sp has been a very popular, for good reason, alpine boot. My lupo c ti is every bit as stiff and skis the same. The new 130c is a hair softer. If you need a wider last , the ax’s cover that. I was going to keep my much loved lupo sp bit after skiing my lupo c ti for a while, there was no need for the lupo sp. lupo c 130 with shift really narrows the compromise. A Vulcan would transfer between your lighter speed turn setup and your shift setup seamlessly along with the lupo c 130

I'm leaning Lupo / 4frnt Raven / shift for this setup. Should try on a Vulcan too


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[onenerdykid]

Onenerdykid is looking into the mounting pattern

Paper templates are not included in any of our 2-piece bindings (including Shift). Jig only. It's a lawyer thing.

[FullStop]

Sign me up for the Canadian group buy if it's 15-20%.

[auvgeek]

I'm leaning Lupo / 4frnt Raven / shift for this setup. Should try on a Vulcan too

Lange Freetour 140, too.

[LightRanger]

Paper templates are not included in any of our 2-piece bindings (including Shift). Jig only. It's a lawyer thing.

Bummer. I wish more companies included them. I could've used it when I tried to home mount my Tectons the other stuff. Available template online was not great.

[cyborg]

I answered the poll and said I wouldn't prepay, but for $440 I would. Who do I need to talk to to take part?

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[margotron]

I PM'd you! Welcome aboard the discount train

I answered the poll and said I wouldn't prepay, but for $440 I would. Who do I need to talk to to take part?

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[DGamms]

I'm leaning Lupo / 4frnt Raven / shift for this setup. Should try on a Vulcan too


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I love my Ravens with Kingpins for my side country setup, but if I could start over I’d go Ravens with Shifts. The non elastic toe of the Kingpins is notably harsher feeling on rough snow when compared to an STH. If the Shifts ski downhill like an STH, I’ll be buying a pair no doubt.

[margotron]

I love my Ravens with Kingpins for my side country setup, but if I could start over I’d go Ravens with Shifts. The non elastic toe of the Kingpins is notably harsher feeling on rough snow when compared to an STH. If the Shifts ski downhill like an STH, I’ll be buying a pair no doubt.

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