Ikon Pass

[TWINS]

Really? Did Mammoth announce a price for a pure Mammoth-only pass?

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No "Mammoth Only"pass.
You have to buy the unlimited pass to ski more than 5 days on that hill.
ICON and Mammoth have been contacted and this is the only choice.
Good news is that it will bring more skiers needing a place to sleep.
The town will benefit from it.

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[summit]

I disagree. People are teeing up a couple days in advance, planning their flex time based on Joel's latest model read. That is why we see the massive bursts of front strangers.

OK maybe its the combination of frangers who don't work, fuck work, or have flexible work PLUS the knowledge of when to blow off work.

I'll take that time machine back to 05/06.

[MakersTeleMark]

I'll take that time machine back to 05/06.

I'll split that cab with you.

[4matic]

I disagree. People are teeing up a couple days in advance, planning their flex time based on Joel's latest model read. That is why we see the massive bursts of front strangers.

I blame fat skis.

[Name Redacted]

Man, I almost wish I could pay $2500 for a pass at one area nobody went to. Not quite Yellowstone club, but something in between, with good terrain, no lines, and copious snowfall.

My first season pass was like $1k for just Vail and BC. Before Arrowhead or BSB. And that was a student pass. There were still lift lines on Saturdays.

[The SnowShow]

Just need to buy a remote mountain and a heli or snowcat and live the dream.

[Hott Butt Mud]

I thought all of you were super hardcore backcountry bros?

Why all the bitching about resorts? Maybe complain about the bc crowds instead?

[hatchgreenchile]

Backcountry or resort, doesn't matter. We're all #Radbros.
Let's get the Current Creek parking garage built!

[TahoeJ]

Man, I almost wish I could pay $2500 for a pass at one area nobody went to. Not quite Yellowstone club, but something in between, with good terrain, no lines, and copious snowfall.

If Alpine Meadows were to go independent away from Squaw again, they could probably charge more than that and just attract the hardcore regulars. It would be glorious. Never gonna happen.

[MakersTeleMark]

I thought all of you were super hardcore backcountry bros?

Why all the bitching about resorts? Maybe complain about the bc crowds instead?

How are you supposed to learn to skin if you don't have resorts?

[hutash]

No "Mammoth Only"pass.
You have to buy the unlimited pass to ski more than 5 days on that hill.
ICON and Mammoth have been contacted and this is the only choice.
Good news is that it will bring more skiers needing a place to sleep.
The town will benefit from it.

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Curious how this will play out. I suspect Mammoth will wise up and offer a Mammoth only (or four resort) pass exactly for people like you, who I am sure are pretty large in number. A lot of people have no desire to ski any place else, and Mammoth may lose some of those sales. Of course at $150 a day walk up you are pretty much forced to buy the pass even at $900 if you go for more then a couple weekends. It would be nice if Mammoth wakes up and actually treats the loyal skiers well and offers a more affordable pass in the $500 to $600 range.

[TWINS]

Curious how this will play out. I suspect Mammoth will wise up and offer a Mammoth only (or four resort) pass exactly for people like you, who I am sure are pretty large in number. A lot of people have no desire to ski any place else, and Mammoth may lose some of those sales. Of course at $150 a day walk up you are pretty much forced to buy the pass even at $900 if you go for more then a couple weekends. It would be nice if Mammoth wakes up and actually treats the loyal skiers well and offers a more affordable pass in the $500 to $600 range.

Lots of friends right now in town with no choice but to pay the extra $200.
In the grand scheme of things $200 price hike is peanuts to most of us.
Hell,it costs over $100 in gas to drive up
Hopefully they do offer a Mammoth only pass in the future.


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[bodywhomper]

Lots of friends right now in town with no choice but to pay the extra $200.
In the grand scheme of things $200 price hike is peanuts to most of us.
Hell,it costs over $100 in gas to drive up
Hopefully they do offer a Mammoth only pass in the future.


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It could result in less skier traffic overall at mammoth?


Those complaining about shit getting tracked out too fast, see leelau's thread about narrow skis. It needs to go viral!

[mmmm...pow!]

If Alpine Meadows were to go independent away from Squaw again, they could probably charge more than that and just attract the hardcore regulars. It would be glorious. Never gonna happen.

Audi driving bay area weekend warriors are not hardcore regulars. You fuckers have already priced us out of homes, you want to do it to our passes, too? While I would love to see Alpine on its own again, I kinda like the Ikon pass. I don't really see it changing the amount of people at Squaw and Alpine that much, and I generally don't deal with the weekend and holiday shitshows.

[Tryingtostaywarm]

OK maybe its the combination of frangers who don't work, fuck work, or have flexible work PLUS the knowledge of when to blow off work.

I'll take that time machine back to 05/06.

So, as a young male living in the heart of Denver who has been doing the Front Range commute thing for years...it is basically this. I'm in the medical field so I always have weekdays off, therefore I almost exclusively have not ski'd weekends for years or try not to. Coming full circle around, Denver job scheduling is much more relaxed than say when I was in Chicago. Most of my friends who range from medical to engineers to marketing to blue collar work etc. all have a pretty flexible schedule or the "work from home 1-2 days a week" schedule which means they are hitting those weekday ski trips. I believe this is why Wanker Park has indeed seen a signifiant increase in traffic on Friday's since 2014/15ish and especially 2006. My roommate is an engineer who works for the Government, and this dude routinely blows off work to go climb or ski during the week.

[TahoeJ]

Audi driving bay area weekend warriors are not hardcore regulars. You fuckers have already priced us out of homes, you want to do it to our passes, too? While I would love to see Alpine on its own again, I kinda like the Ikon pass. I don't really see it changing the amount of people at Squaw and Alpine that much, and I generally don't deal with the weekend and holiday shitshows.

I rarely ever ski weekends, and if I do it's usually backcountry because of the shit show factor, but way to be a cliche local bro piece of shit with that comment. You better be FROM Truckee / Tahoe City / somewhere around the lake talking like that - as in you grew up there as a kid - otherwise you're just a huge poser.

As such a core local bro, surely you remember back when Squaw passes were more expensive and it was less crowded?

[mcski]

He's is definitely not or he would know that Alex priced Squaw full season around 1500. I'd gladly welcome a return to this days if it cut down on the "everyone has a pass" shit show.

[GPP33]

There were still lift lines on Saturdays.

I remember bigger lines as a kid than I ever see now. But all the chairs were fixed grip doubles, not high speed 6 packs.

[TahoeJ]

He's is definitely not or he would know that Alex priced Squaw full season around 1500. I'd gladly welcome a return to this days if it cut down on the "everyone has a pass" shit show.

Exactly - they were still that much as recently as 2008 or 2009, I forget which year they dropped them way down. And if you didn't buy before September they went up to like $1800 - $1900. So $2500 in today's dollars seems pretty similar, or close enough. And if you were a bartender or worked at a ski shop or whatever else, you found a place that came with a pass as a benefit.

(BTW - the ski industry pass price changes are the elephant in the room when it comes to a lack of housing in ski towns, but it's easier to just blame AirBNB instead of looking at the market forces that make so many AirBNB rentals feasible in the first place).

[bodywhomper]

(BTW - the ski industry pass price changes are the elephant in the room when it comes to a lack of housing in ski towns, but it's easier to just blame AirBNB instead of looking at the market forces that make so many AirBNB rentals feasible in the first place).

Nice thread drift.

Let's hear it.

I know a few peeps that are long -time owners of rental property in the basin and all have evicted, terminated yearly leases, or stopped doing winter-long leases and switched to AirBNB resulting in substantial fiscal success even if their place unoccupied a fair bit of time. I also know some that have recently bought with a certain income of AirBNB as the only means for the venture to pencil out.

My observation from watching friends, a way to maximize ski/play time most easily for a full time resident and to make ends meet is to wait tables at a high end eatery that is only open in evenings.

[TahoeJ]

Oh I’m not saying AirBNB isn’t a key part of it, but it’s all a lot more complex than some make it out to be. VRBO and other rental agencies had been around for quite some time before that.

Cheap season passes for the whole family means that more out of town families ski on more days than they used to, causing a pretty massive increase in the number of house rentals desired on any given week / weekend. Sure, they say the total number of skiers / riders has been flat the last several years, but that’s across the industry / country and ignores concentration trends (dozens and dozens of small ski hills closing, for example). Anyone who has spent much time at all around Truckee will tell you that there’s zero doubt it’s now more crowded on your average weekend than it used to be.

Of course there are other factors too, but I have no doubt that cheap passes are a major part of it. I’ve seen it with my friends who ski but aren’t dedicated skiers. They’ll get a pass now and go up a lot more to get their money’s worth.

[summit]

Property management companies for vacation rentals have been around for decades in ski towns.

All VRBO and AirBnB do is cut the overhead for the owner.

[The SnowShow]

Nice thread drift.

Let's hear it.

I know a few peeps that are long -time owners of rental property in the basin and all have evicted, terminated yearly leases, or stopped doing winter-long leases and switched to AirBNB resulting in substantial fiscal success even if their place unoccupied a fair bit of time. I also know some that have recently bought with a certain income of AirBNB as the only means for the venture to pencil out.

My observation from watching friends, to way to maximize ski/play time most easily for a full time resident and to make ends meet is to wait tables at a high end eatery that is only open in evenings.

Or live off mommy and daddy

[bodywhomper]

Here's an interesting article on the housing thing
http://moonshineink.com/news/vexing-...t-term-rentals

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[TahoeJ]

Here's an interesting article on the housing thing
http://moonshineink.com/news/vexing-...t-term-rentals

Yeah, I remember when that was posted in the Tahoe thread. And I can't take any analysis seriously if it just blames short term rental services alone and ignores huge market forces.

Truckee "has seen the TOT totals for vacation rentals managed by their owners nearly quadruple since fiscal year 2009/10, highlighting the rapid rise in popularity of Airbnb, VRBO, and HomeAway."

It's worth noting that 2010 is also right after all of the season pass price wars started and they all got much cheaper. I believe that was the first season of the Epic pass too.

I'm from a small tourist driven town - Sonoma - that has exploded over the past decade. All of the same problems with locals not being able to find places to live. Short term rentals were banned a long time ago, although you can find them nearby outside of city limits, although a few years back a moratorium was put in place for those too. Doesn't matter. It's because of the bay area housing crisis and wealth explosion so people are just snatching up homes and either moving here and commuting to SF, or they buy the second home and it just sits there empty most of the time. Tahoe is like an extended suburb of the bay area. Someone living in the south bay may not be able to afford a house there, but they can still pay rent and afford to buy a place up in Tahoe. If you ban AirBNB, some would be forced to sell or find a long term renter, but most would not and the houses would just be empty. Putting even more pressure on the market.

There's no simple solution. But being a dick towards anyone who isn't "local" certainly isn't it (not that you were, bodywhomper, just speaking generally). As a born and raised local in my town, nothing bugs me more than the people who move here and then act that same way about tourists, etc. - as if they aren't part of the crowds and traffic too. I've had to call friends out on that type of shit a lot lately, in fact.