Las Vegas shooting thread moved to polyass

[Bobby Stainless]

Apologies for the multi-posting. I should collect my thoughts better.

This guy can continue to point out the little sparkly candy wrapper twinkling in the sea of shit that is 25 times the average rate of gun related deaths in civilized counties.

But it's still a sea of shit.

The twinkly wrapper is irrelevant when it comes to the overall stats on gun deaths. Aside from that it's spewing guttersuck on the lives of people who just died.

At what point did you think people of the US are inherently good?

How many people need to be killed by guns? Because there are some assholes out there, and they need to be shot. Saw where a guy beat a 9 year old boy with a hammer, because he was sticking up for his 6 year old sister, that the fucker was molesting. Ill pull that trigger myself.

5,000 of the non-suicide, violent gun deaths are validated. Home invasions, Defensive Use, and LEO kills.

[PNWbrit]

I feel 95% of those will find a way.

the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention disagree with you and their research show the long term benefits of removing weapons from the suicidal.

It's an easy google. Since you have nothing to do than wait to sell another douchemobile to another douche.

[Bobby Stainless]

the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention disagree with you and their research show the long term benefits of removing weapons from the suicidal.

It's an easy google. Since you have nothing to do than wait to sell another douchemobile to another douche.

I own apartments, and I have found a couple of suicides by gun. Its awful.

I struggle with what to think on this issue.

The pitchforks wave days after, but that will quiet down, and then everyone is complacent again.

[basinbeater]

Our representatives on the right spouting the NRA line....
Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas) on Wednesday suggested that more people being armed might have prevented the mass shooting in Las Vegas, saying that method worked "in the Old West."

“I think if that guy had known that there were armed personnel with the types of weapons he had that would immediately shoot at him, that might have deterred him. I don’t know,” he told Vox when asked if he thinks the crowd in Las Vegas should have been armed.

So because he doesn't want to try gun control, we all need to arm ourselves with assault weapons to protect ourselves. This guy gets elected! Maybe the gun nuts are right, people are the problem.

[PNWbrit]

I own apartments, and I have found a couple of suicides by gun. Its awful.

I struggle with what to think on this issue.

How much of the security deposit to keep?

then everyone is complacent again.

I don't think you're nearly as qualified to speak for everyone as you think you are.

[Bobby Stainless]

Was this guy's motive, to draw attention to this type of political issue?

Or am I giving him too much credit?

[Sirshredalot]

Our representatives on the right spouting the NRA line....
Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas) on Wednesday suggested that more people being armed might have prevented the mass shooting in Las Vegas, saying that method worked "in the Old West."

“I think if that guy had known that there were armed personnel with the types of weapons he had that would immediately shoot at him, that might have deterred him. I don’t know,” he told Vox when asked if he thinks the crowd in Las Vegas should have been armed.

So because he doesn't want to try gun control, we all need to arm ourselves with assault weapons to protect ourselves. This guy gets elected! Maybe the gun nuts are right, people are the problem.

Of course, there was - famously - a blanket prohibition on carrying firearms in most 19th century frontier towns.

[Bobby Stainless]

How much of the security deposit to keep?



I don't think you're nearly as qualified to speak for everyone as you think you are.

It takes a biohazard crew. That's a hard conversation to have with loved ones.

Pfff. Im plenty qualified. I sell cars and shit.

[toast2266]

Banning bump stocks would be a start

Ban bump stocks.

Make ownership of handguns and semi autos more rigorous; if you want to own the gun, you undergo training, storage of the gun is verified, etc. A less rigorous process could be employed for bolt actions, shotguns, etc.

At least for the types of weapons that are typically used in homicides, take steps to tie the weapon to the owner. Tracking serial numbers is a start, but it wouldn't be too hard to incorporate an identifying mark on the gun that couldn't be filed off. Develop heavy penalties for the original owners of guns that are used by others in homicides. Similarly, heavily penalize owners that can't immediately locate and produce the gun if they're "audited" (and enforce this by randomly auditing gun owners).

In other words, allow sane people that are appropriately trained and are willing to act responsibly to own more or less whatever guns they want (with reasonably limitations). But make things much more difficult for straw-man buyers and irresponsible owners.

Would those sort of measures stop something like Vegas? Probably not - there's not much that can realistically be done to thwart a motivated, intelligent, organized individual who's well funded and doesn't have a criminal record. Even if guns were completely outlawed, a person like that can likely obtain what they want on the black market. But some pretty basic laws could easily reduce the 10's of thousands of gun related homicides that aren't so organized.

[digitaldeath]

It takes a biohazard crew. That's a hard conversation to have with loved ones.

Pfff. Im plenty qualified. I sell cars and shit.

you do simple arbitrage

[grinch]

[GeezerSteve]

Just accept that we will never know the subjective thinking of Stephen Paddock. Only he knows what was going on in his head, and he's dead.

In my line of work, attorneys, judges and juries are often tasked with determining a person's subjective intentions. The only evidence that comes close to objective is the actor's words, although those are often inaccurate because people lie about their subjective thoughts. Otherwise, the evidence is circumstantial and requires inferences to be drawn. One important lesson that I have learned in 31 years of practice is that nearly all people who think they know why another person did what they did are incorrect. It bugs the hell of me when I hear someone say, "He did that because _________________." You don't know why other people do what they do. Accept that.

A few pages ago, 4chan-echoer imaginary "lefty" false accuser 4matic stated that he wanted to see Paddock's gambling records because he "wants to know why he snapped." Maybe Paddock didn't snap. The developing evidence seems to strongly suggest that Paddock shooting spree was the culmination of a deliberate plan that took at least weeks, maybe months or years, of planning. That doesn't sound like the work of someone who "snapped."

It is possible that, after all the evidence is in, expert criminal profilers will provide some broad theories re what was going on in Stephen Paddock's mind the last few weeks of his life, but at most those will be merely educated suppositions. Sometimes "why" is an unanswerable question. OTOH, the question of how Paddock was able to pull off this massacre is the question we should be trying to answer.

[Bobby Stainless]

I've mentioned smart gun technology, and that is a obvious winner.

Phones are more secure than guns.

[digitaldeath]

Just accept that we will never know the subjective thinking of Stephen Paddock. Only he knows what was going on in his head, and he's dead.

In my line of work, attorneys, judges and juries are often tasked with determining a person's subjective intentions. The only evidence that comes close to objective is the actor's words, although those are often inaccurate because people lie about their subjective thoughts. Otherwise, the evidence is circumstantial and requires inferences to be drawn. One important lesson that I have learned in 31 years of practice is that nearly all people who think they know why another person did what they did are incorrect. It bugs the hell of me when I hear someone say, "He did that because _________________." You don't know why other people do what they do. Accept that.

A few pages ago, 4chan-echoer imaginary "lefty" false accuser 4matic stated that he wanted to see Paddock's gambling records because he "wants to know why he snapped." Maybe Paddock didn't snap. The developing evidence seems to strongly suggest that Paddock shooting spree was the culmination of a deliberate plan that took at least weeks, maybe months or years, of planning. That doesn't sound like the work of someone who "snapped."

It is possible that, after all the evidence is in, expert criminal profilers will provide some broad theories re what was going on in Stephen Paddock's mind the last few weeks of his life, but at most those will be merely educated suppositions. Sometimes "why" is an unanswerable question. OTOH, the question of how Paddock was able to pull off this massacre is the question we should be trying to answer.

he simply acted on a fantasy propagated by countless industries and american culture as a whole

like COD

[Grape_Ape]

My buddy was feeling pretty depressed a while back. We took away his guns. He understood the reasoning.

Anywho, the gun culture in this country makes me pretty fucking ashamed of being an American.

[Meadow Skipper]

But the narrative is the US is more dangerous. It's not. It simply isn't...

No, you're wrong. The narrative is that there are too many mass shootings. You're making a case for doing nothing, which is, to be generous, bone-headed.

To be fair to the guy he's engaging and making points in a civilized manner. His perspective maybe complacency but it is a rational position. Most here seem be advocating doing something, but that something is rather vague. The first element to finding solutions is identifying (and agreeing) the problem. We have conflicting problems ... 2nd amendment right to have a hobby to play with instruments designed to kill vs. some hobbiest jumping the shark into the real world and actually using those instruments as designed.

The solution being proposed seems to be to negate the influence of the NRA. That might be achievable, and certainly worth a try.

I don't think banning guns is the answer, nor is it viable.

Banning some guns seems like it could well be an answer, and viable.

Christ! You guys shout down and name call anyone with a different take on a situation. This always happens on the guns issue but it happens in nearly every other thread too. I get that you guys just want an echo chamber to make you feel better, that there are other people who think just like you, so you must be right... but it really is disgusting.

Look, the guy (BD) is ignoring and talking past valid points and throwing out irrelevant statistics non-stop in order to get people to do nothing and accept incidents like Las Vegas. He's eventually going to get yelled at.

[PNWbrit]

Ban bump stocks.

Feinstein in the senate and Cicilline (R!) in the house have both introduced bills doing this today.

[Soups]

Feinstein in the senate and Cicilline (R!) in the house have both introduced bills doing this today.

Sad day. What happens if it passes? Then how will gun owners look cool with their blade sunglasses and a badass look on their face while filming for their youtube channel at the range?

We must not knee jerk and think of the implications

[ill-advised strategy]

My buddy was feeling pretty depressed a while back. We took away his guns. He understood the reasoning.

One of my best friends from my old fire crew became a opiate pill addict. When he finally had to quit, I found him at his house with an AK47 shaking and ranting and being scary and incoherent. Single dad with a 10 year old kid about to kill himself. I sat there with him all night trying to keep him from shooting himself, missed my college classes the next day to bring him out to the ocean and try to get through the whole episode with him intact.
Would have been a very different night without the loaded assault rifle constantly in his hands.

[toast2266]

Feinstein in the senate and Cicilline (R!) in the house have both introduced bills doing this today.

Good. It'll be interesting to see how hard the NRA swings back.

[Diamond Joe]

The NRA-backed "hearing protection act" was also shelved today by Paul Ryan. The bill would (in part) deregulate suppressors.

They (NRA) are not stupid. Knowing which battles to fight and when is obviously a key component of politics. There is no way they push back on "bump stocks", a thing that even most gun enthusiasts didn't know about (or thought were a novelty).

[Meadow Skipper]

Just a BTW, ill-advised strategy, you rock.

[PNWbrit]

Would have been a very different night without the loaded assault rifle constantly in his hands.

There's a Seattle suicide prevention group that distributes trigger locks and safes free to concerned friends/families. I think it's part of the bigger national project that I mentioned to beedrinker that he then ignored because it contradicted his "feelings" on suicide.

At least we learned to never rent one of his apartments though.

[ill-advised strategy]

I had a friend shoot himself in the head with a long rifle, used his toe to fire into his skull thru his mouth. It was fucking terrible. besides losing a buddy, hard part for us was not knowing why.

Try being 8 years old when your dad does that. Dad used a shotgun, and also killed my stepmother and infant stepbrother. I've spent the better part of my later childhood and early adulthood processing it....wondering if there's some genetic timebomb that will make me schizophrenic....spending my whole 20s having as much fun as I could because I figured my brain would implode like his, so why build a career or save for retirement. Now I'm fucked.

It might have been worse having him around though, he was a frightening guy, and there was some level of relief mixed in when he killed himself.

Dad was a teacher at the local high school, and my sister was a freshman there when it happened. On one level she's fine, but on a finer, deeper level she's basically always off, I don't think she'll ever really be normal. As far as I know she's never had a serious romantic relationship at age 48. She moves every few years, bunch of places in the US plus France, Chad, Thailand, China, Mexico, India...etc.

It's in this write up....it says a lot about us 'mericans that it's just one of many multiple-killings in just that weekend.
http://www.nytimes.com/1985/01/08/us...5-weekend.html

The worst part was probably the little kid down there who came home to find bodies everywhere, including her mom and mom's boyfriend. I never knew that part, I remember one of my grandparents, like, talking about that kid as if she were a distant cousin or some family member I'd never heard of, "she's doing well"... but I didn't know who she was or anything about the details (I got it from the newspaper article linked....I never knew until recently) so I just wrote it all off.
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapi...newwindow=true

Gun violence sucks.

[GeezerSteve]

Holy shit I-AS. Good for you keepin' on keepin' on bro