Running, Anyone...?

[2bjenny]

I love new shoes! Even better when I find a pair of running shoes I love on sale! I hate when a shoe I really like gets "Updated". Then it's feels like the quest for the perfect shoe starts all over again.

I ran (ok, jogged) a 25K a little over a two weeks ago and then took about 1.5 weeks off from running while on vacation. Over the summer, while prepping for the 25K, I focused on building mileage, and didn't worry about speed. I'm really slow, I noticed last week, when I started running again (runs were anywhere from 3 miles to 5 miles) that from the time off/rest, my pace has picked up. I'm still slow, but I've averaged anywhere from a minute to a minute and half faster per mile, but I don't notice any difference in my effort. What I do notice is that my quads tend to be more sore than before. Is this to be expected with the increase in pace? Am I going to die?

[GeezerSteve]

Devil Mountain 50k in the books. Course was easier than I expected. Knee hurt even more than expected. Did a whole lot of speed walking the second half, when I should have been cruising moderate downhills. Too much pain to run to push myself, so I never felt all that tired. Will do another one of these, maybe a 50 miler, to see what I'm cable of without a pre-existing injury.

Good work. Best o' luck with the knee.

It's been roughly 3 months since I concluded that my running days are over. I'm back (after 35 years) to bicycling as my daily aerobic workout. It's okay but I miss getting out the door for a run.

I noticed last week, when I started running again (runs were anywhere from 3 miles to 5 miles) that from the time off/rest, my pace has picked up. I'm still slow, but I've averaged anywhere from a minute to a minute and half faster per mile, but I don't notice any difference in my effort. What I do notice is that my quads tend to be more sore than before. Is this to be expected with the increase in pace? Am I going to die?

We're all gonna die someday, so that answer to your second question is "yes." Going faster at the same effort is an indication of improved aerobic function, which is great! It's possible that your quads are more sore because your improved aerobic function results in taking a longer stride thus working your quads beyond the ROM to which you are accustomed. If so, the soreness should gradually abate.

[nutmegchoi]

I love new shoes! Even better when I find a pair of running shoes I love on sale! I hate when a shoe I really like gets "Updated". Then it's feels like the quest for the perfect shoe starts all over again.

I ran (ok, jogged) a 25K a little over a two weeks ago and then took about 1.5 weeks off from running while on vacation. Over the summer, while prepping for the 25K, I focused on building mileage, and didn't worry about speed. I'm really slow, I noticed last week, when I started running again (runs were anywhere from 3 miles to 5 miles) that from the time off/rest, my pace has picked up. I'm still slow, but I've averaged anywhere from a minute to a minute and half faster per mile, but I don't notice any difference in my effort. What I do notice is that my quads tend to be more sore than before. Is this to be expected with the increase in pace? Am I going to die?

That's awesome you are running faster without extra effort!!!

Did you change your shoes?
Different brand or model can create new issues you didn't have before.
I tried Brooks Adrenaline GTS and started having IT band issue which I never had before.
I had to put them away after 30 miles or so.

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been trying to get running again after a summer of sitting on my ass & my calf is killing this effort
it seized up on me after a half mile this morning
no pain when biking (been doing up to 40mi no issues) or walking hills or isolated body squats/lunges
as soon as I "run", it's in distress
very frustrating

i've been icing, foam rolling & doing gastroc stretches multiple times a day, been doing run/walk on flat terrain 3x/wk to get re-started

any suggestions for getting this to release? i'd like to get past this

[ETA]calves have always been tight, but never so bad as to limit running

[Viva]

Leg massage.

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[GeezerSteve]

been trying to get running again after a summer of sitting on my ass & my calf is killing this effort
it seized up on me after a half mile this morning
* * *
[ETA]calves have always been tight, but never so bad as to limit running

Don't wanna jinx ya, but you might want to rule out compartment syndrome

[nutmegchoi]

Leg massage.

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That's what I was thinking.
Strong deep tissue sport massage can improve a lot of issues.

[Viva]

That's what I was thinking.
Strong deep tissue sport massage can improve a lot of issues.

Indeed. Certainly helped with tight ITBs. Stretching only seemed to go so far with me.

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Don't wanna jinx ya, but you might want to rule out compartment syndrome

i've had rhabdo before, but I don't think this is that

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therapeutic leg maa-sohge sounds nice
will try

[nutmegchoi]

therapeutic leg maa-sohge sounds nice
will try

Minus happy ending though.
Just say no.

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Minus happy ending though.
Just say no.

but that's the best part
i suppose i could save a buck or two

[2bjenny]

That's awesome you are running faster without extra effort!!!

Did you change your shoes?
Different brand or model can create new issues you didn't have before.
I tried Brooks Adrenaline GTS and started having IT band issue which I never had before.
I had to put them away after 30 miles or so.

Thanks! I'm still slow, just not as slow.

No change in the shoes. I think the mileage build up for the 25K was just starting to wear on me since I was running 5 days a week and my short runs towards the end were not really so short for me. I not a natural runner, and after a long break, it is taking time to get back to this point. I mostly run on dirt/gravel range roads and two-track (there's only about 1.25 miles of pavement where I am) so I am in trail shoes, Salomon Speedcross. This is the shoe I keep coming back to after trying others though I am not really happy with the updated 4. Same deal with the Saucony Peregrines - they had to go updated them. Oh well. I was able to find a pair of 3s and may try to get one more pair before I can't find them anymore. I plan to just focus on 10K and 12.5K for the fall and then over the winter, 5Ks and building some speed, since it is so cold and dark out here.

I think it's what DIYSteve says, just my legs adjusting to the faster pace/ turn over. I don't feel like my stride is longer, if anything maybe shortened up. Stretching, using a roller stick and arnica seem to work. It's not bad, just a noticeable overall soreness in the quads.

[nutmegchoi]

but that's the best part
i suppose i could save a buck or two

No!
You'll walk in with one problem and walk out with several more!!

[4matic]

Ran JPM Corporate Challenge 5k (actually 3.5mi) San Francisco last week. 28:13. I love the event. The course on the waterfront is beautiful and more attractive young women in one spot than I can recall.

[hutash]

Thanks! I'm still slow, just not as slow.

No change in the shoes. I think the mileage build up for the 25K was just starting to wear on me since I was running 5 days a week and my short runs towards the end were not really so short for me. I not a natural runner, and after a long break, it is taking time to get back to this point. I mostly run on dirt/gravel range roads and two-track (there's only about 1.25 miles of pavement where I am) so I am in trail shoes, Salomon Speedcross. This is the shoe I keep coming back to after trying others though I am not really happy with the updated 4. Same deal with the Saucony Peregrines - they had to go updated them. Oh well. I was able to find a pair of 3s and may try to get one more pair before I can't find them anymore. I plan to just focus on 10K and 12.5K for the fall and then over the winter, 5Ks and building some speed, since it is so cold and dark out here.

I think it's what DIYSteve says, just my legs adjusting to the faster pace/ turn over. I don't feel like my stride is longer, if anything maybe shortened up. Stretching, using a roller stick and arnica seem to work. It's not bad, just a noticeable overall soreness in the quads.

Could be a bit of over training, hence the slower training pace, then a good rest. While it may seem like less (or the same) effort the fact you are going faster suggests you are working harder, hence the sore muscles.

I take the week off before 1/2 marathons, and end up running them faster then my best raining runs, but am a bit sore afterwards, which I am not even when I approach race distance while training. I also switch shoes for a race, but I run in them several times in the last training week before the race. The different shoe could be a fator for me, but I think it is more about resting and being able to put in a bigger effort.

[nutmegchoi]

New shoes are nice, but it's tighter on my broken right pinky toe.
It bothers more than previous pair.
Oh, well.
I just gotta keep running to loosen up.

Put 12 miles so far and I have 18 mile long run scheduled on Sunday which will be the longest before Chicago Marathon.
Nervously looking forward to it.

[Viva]

New shoes are nice, but it's tighter on my broken right pinky toe.
It bothers more than previous pair.
Oh, well.
I just gotta keep running to loosen up.

If top pressure is bothering you, maybe try cutting away a bit of the fabric above that toe. I seen folks do that, although never tried it myself.

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[bagtagley]

therapeutic leg maa-sohge sounds nice
will try

I've struggled with calf issues when running, similar to what you're describing. Short-term, I had great luck with calf panties (aka compression sleeves). Without them, on track days, I was quitting early. With them no issues. I know they supposedly don't work, but I'm certain they helped me. Stretching didn't do a thing for me, and foam/stick rolling didn't really get deep enough. Instead, I used a lacrosse ball on top of a yoga block. It hurts and it's a pain, but damn it works.

Long-term, you could try eccentric heel drops. I think it's typically used for Achilles issues, but my PT had me doing them for the lengthening effect to combat tightness.

[nutmegchoi]

If top pressure is bothering you, maybe try cutting away a bit of the fabric above that toe. I seen folks do that, although never tried it myself.

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I think it's just this model has less toe room than previous pair.
It'll eventually loosen up.
I'm good at tolerating pain.
As long as bone is not sticking out, I'm good.

[Viva]

I'm good at tolerating pain.

I see marriage in your future.

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[nutmegchoi]

I see marriage in your future.

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Let's not go crazy.

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I've struggled with calf issues when running, similar to what you're describing. Short-term, I had great luck with calf panties (aka compression sleeves). Without them, on track days, I was quitting early. With them no issues. I know they supposedly don't work, but I'm certain they helped me. Stretching didn't do a thing for me, and foam/stick rolling didn't really get deep enough. Instead, I used a lacrosse ball on top of a yoga block. It hurts and it's a pain, but damn it works.

Long-term, you could try eccentric heel drops. I think it's typically used for Achilles issues, but my PT had me doing them for the lengthening effect to combat tightness.

Thx for that

[nutmegchoi]

I don't like 2bjenny anymore.
I just saw one of her running trail on IG and super jealous.
Jealousy is an ugly thing.

[2bjenny]

lolz! This is one of my favorite two tracks in the fall for short, fast runs.



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