Trucks.

**BCMtnHound** · 01-13-2017, 12:47 PM

I primarily drive a F250 x-cab with the 6.2 6-speed. Agreed with the fuel economy, but no issues with the engine/transmission/axle gear. I am not the only driver of the truck, and it eats tires on the back roads.

**XXX-er** · 01-13-2017, 12:50 PM

Heard of 7.3 , 6.0 ,6.4 , 6.7 but not 6.2 which is why i asked

wouldnt be the first time someone transposed digits eh

**The Tortoise** · 01-13-2017, 01:01 PM

They only used it for a handful of years. Looking up on it, it's supposed to be well built motor.

My dad has one in an extended cab F-150, the thing hauls ass.

**single** · 01-13-2017, 03:50 PM

Sounds like beer drinkers got a good gig! Can't believe the hype around the new ford gt. Must be an awesome car.

In truck related news, all the parts to turn the ram into this are on a pallet headed to montucky this week. Pretty damn stoked. (except 2 door chassis cab and charcoal gray)

**TAFKALVS** · 01-13-2017, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by single

Sounds like beer drinkers got a good gig! Can't believe the hype around the new ford gt. Must be an awesome car.

In truck related news, all the parts to turn the ram into this are on a pallet headed to montucky this week. Pretty damn stoked. (except 2 door chassis cab and charcoal gray)

8" Lift Blocks and a stack of spring pack spacers?

**Jethro** · 01-13-2017, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by single

Sounds like beer drinkers got a good gig! Can't believe the hype around the new ford gt. Must be an awesome car.

In truck related news, all the parts to turn the ram into this are on a pallet headed to montucky this week. Pretty damn stoked. (except 2 door chassis cab and charcoal gray)

I have a 1952 Dodge M37. It is basically a square windowed Power wagon used by the military. It is capable of fording 84" of water if one spends half an hour bolting on the snorkel and exhaust extensions. All electrical connections in the engine bay are glanded for total waterproofness. Sealed compression spark plug wires, like aircraft spark plug wires. The brakes master cylinder, gas tank, and engine crankcase are vented into the engines air intake ahead of the carb. The truck was truly intended to be fully submerged if needed

I see lots of Jeeps and Landcruisers with snorkels nowadays, but never exhaust extensions. And I really doubt all systems are waterproof or vented to atmosphere above waterline. Are these functional snorkels, or just for going through3' of water?

**east or bust** · 01-13-2017, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Jethro

Are these functional snorkels, or just for going through3' of water?

They are solely to prevent against hydrolock, in the case of most jeepers.

**Jethro** · 01-14-2017, 06:56 AM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x_vW7ibU4Kw. Pardon the music
This is a truck like mine, with water just over the hood. Now that's for hydrolock prevention. I don't see many modern trucks doing that. You'd ruin your cab and fry your CPU, unless the fording was real brief. I think a more useful purpose might be sucking in cool air up high, out of the dust when following others. I just really doubt many of the snorkels I see on vehicles are really used in water

**Skidog** · 01-14-2017, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Jethro

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x_vW7ibU4Kw. Pardon the music
This is a truck like mine, with water just over the hood. Now that's for hydrolock prevention. I don't see many modern trucks doing that. You'd ruin your cab and fry your CPU, unless the fording was real brief. I think a more useful purpose might be sucking in cool air up high, out of the dust when following others. I just really doubt many of the snorkels I see on vehicles are really used in water

You're right. I know many a FJ owner with snorkels and was told they are not for submersion

**EEC** · 01-14-2017, 10:14 AM

I know when I bought a snorkel for my XJ years ago they were actually intended for use in dry desert conditions. Supposedly keeping the intake high above the thickest of dust.

Also my '06 2500 duramax is coming up on 220k and runs/drives like the day it left the dealership. Plow in the winter, routinely tow and haul heavy things and average 16mpg.

**basinbeater** · 01-14-2017, 10:22 AM

^^^ that is what I also thought they were for. And make sense for that.

**east or bust** · 01-14-2017, 01:24 PM

I don't buy the dust reasoning for a second. When was the last time you saw a trophy truck with a snorkel on it. If you're driving in the dust plume, it's getting in the intake whether you have a snorkel or not. You'd have to get creative with the routing, like turning it backwards or take it somewhere back that's more sheltered.

Just about every rig running those endurance races in SA where they are constantly dealing with water crossings have snorkels, not much dust in the rain forest, just sayin.

**EEC** · 01-14-2017, 03:00 PM

**Whiteroom_Guardian** · 01-14-2017, 03:34 PM

I'm on my second F250. Previous was a 2011 XLT with the 5.4. Current is a 2015 XL with the 6.2. Daily work truck with 17,000 miles in the last 14ish months. I like the rubber floors. Only XLT option I miss is the automatic side mirrors (there are a couple super narrow two lane bridges here where pulling in the mirrors to pass other cars is a big help).

This one is regular cab which is fine for work since I have two big Dee Zee side boxes. Plus a hydraulic liftgate. I can easily cruise at 80 uphill on the highway with close to 4000# of chemical drums in the bed.

It handles my new western plow quite nicely. I'm a fan.

**papapoopski** · 01-14-2017, 04:49 PM

That RAM above looks to be more of a precleaner (google it, I'm being lazy). Some of them have replacable filters inside for screening dust/debris from the intake. Snorkels like the Safari do not have filters, just straight ram air intakes. It still keeps the air brought in cleaner and does prevent gulping water down. It does not allow one to dunk the whole hood for an extended period unless electronics are addressed. A mud filled alternator is not good.

**bodywhomper** · 01-14-2017, 04:49 PM

^why did you ditch the 2011?

**bodywhomper** · 01-14-2017, 04:50 PM

On the subject of snorkels (repost?)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OiPg5DHeyNU

**Whiteroom_Guardian** · 01-14-2017, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by bodywhomper

^why did you ditch the 2011?

I sold it because it was a personal truck and the company bought the 2015 for me to drive around. Free trucks are awesome.

**bodywhomper** · 01-14-2017, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian

I sold it because it was a personal truck and the company bought the 2015 for me to drive around. Free trucks are awesome.

I agree. That's awesome!

**lifelinksplit** · 01-15-2017, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by single

Sounds like beer drinkers got a good gig! Can't believe the hype around the new ford gt. Must be an awesome car.

In truck related news, all the parts to turn the ram into this are on a pallet headed to montucky this week. Pretty damn stoked. (except 2 door chassis cab and charcoal gray)

AEV does solid conversions but damn they are $$$ compared to what you could spec out for similar builds that are just as capable if not more. Assuming you can turn a wrench. Been seeing a handful of AEV jeeps and a ram in bozeman lately. Aren't they based outta missoula?

**single** · 01-15-2017, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier

8" Lift Blocks and a stack of spring pack spacers?

close. 2" lift, 2" axle relocation and 41" tires.

Originally Posted by Jethro

I see lots of Jeeps and Landcruisers with snorkels nowadays, but never exhaust extensions. And I really doubt all systems are waterproof or vented to atmosphere above waterline. Are these functional snorkels, or just for going through3' of water?

The one on the prospector is a prefilter, like you would see on a combine or mining truck. Or on an HMMWV. Basically extends the life of the engine intake filter by precleaning about 98% of the dust before it even hits the intake. This system is not waterproofed, but it would definitely prevent hydrolock. And its a much colder air intake. Exhaust wouldn't need extension for most water crossings as long as the engine is running. Positive pressure would displace water.

I think a lot of guys run snorkels as insurance for their motor against big splashes. They also run them to look cool, and to have a cleaner colder air intake. Your door seals would let water in and ruin everything inside a modern car if long term submersion was the goal. Same with the cabin air vents on the back of truck cabs.

Originally Posted by east or bust

I don't buy the dust reasoning for a second. When was the last time you saw a trophy truck with a snorkel on it. If you're driving in the dust plume, it's getting in the intake whether you have a snorkel or not. You'd have to get creative with the routing, like turning it backwards or take it somewhere back that's more sheltered.

They also have a team of mechanics and rebuild the engine between races. Look at mining truck prefilters, or cabover work trucks in australia. I think in a dusty environment its more about duty cycle than immediate performance. Also, they look cool.

Just about every rig running those endurance races in SA where they are constantly dealing with water crossings have snorkels, not much dust in the rain forest, just sayin.

They also work really well to prevent hydrolock. Its pretty easy to waterproof the air intake, pot the electronics and raise the transmission and diff breathers. Especially on an older vehicle with simpler electronics. Modern electronics are surprisingly water resistant, and an ecu is cheaper than a motor.

AEV does solid conversions but damn they are $$$ compared to what you could spec out for similar builds that are just as capable if not more. Assuming you can turn a wrench. Been seeing a handful of AEV jeeps and a ram in bozeman lately. Aren't they based outta missoula?

If you do the install yourself its actually not that expensive. Bumper and lift is pretty much on par with ARB/OME, and the fender flares are the same price as the cut outs from bushwacker but they are way nicer. Their parts for RAM are about on par with everything else out there, and its made in the USA.

Buying a complete rig from them is not a cheap endeavor though. They are based in missoula for design and sales stuff but all the parts are made in Detroit. The only exception to that is the wheels, because they had a hard time finding anyone stateside who would produce low volume runs of cast aluminum.

tl;dr

AEV is not as expensive as everyone thinks, and the parts are premium quality. Also, they are still in missoula.

Snorkels are mostly for looking cool, but are conveniently easy to justify.

**jamal** · 01-15-2017, 04:43 PM

AEV used to be around here but I think they moved awhile ago. I remember seeing their 4-door jeep conversions in the mall when I was in high school.

And of course ARB would say their snorkel is made for dust. That's like all they have in australia.

**frorider** · 01-15-2017, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by jamal

And of course ARB would say their snorkel is made for dust. That's like all they have in australia.

In Oz it is extremely common to have an aftermarket or factory/dealer snorkel on a 4WD, mostly because of the river or flooded causeway crossings or shallow river mouths on the beaches. Hence the ARB page above refers to water crossings. It's hard to do any remote driving there without dealing with water crossings.

**lifelinksplit** · 01-15-2017, 05:32 PM

Just wanted to clarify my AEV statement. I was talking about buying new and handing it off to them. I really like their work and the red pickup cab jeep conversion that is running around is cool. I didn't know they offered build kits. That's cool. And snorkels...

they look cool

Ding ding ding. Pretty much 95%.