Fu*king Cyclists

[plugboots]

I don't know any cyclists that don't pay road tax. We have 3 cars.

[Tippster]

Would you like to define "unnecessarily?" Seems to be the crux of the thread, or about 23 pages of it, anyway.

Riding side-by-side on a 2 lane road with cars behind you. I can give you the 2 feet of room and pass you without having to go completely into the other lane if you ride single file and keep to the right.

[jono]

But not 3', so...





Actually, I'm mostly just screwing with you. Seriously, though, what's the difference between using part of the oncoming lane and the whole thing? I never try to pass a car while leaving a wheel in each lane, what makes that seem more acceptable?

[old goat]

Quiz: Who's the bigger dick?
The lady driver this morning who passed a couple of cyclists in a bike lane then swerved onto the shoulder. Fortunately they were able to slam on the brakes and not get clipped.
or
The lycra clad wanna be bike racer coming down a steep hill on South Shore Drive doing about 10 over the speed limit (25mph). 2 lane road with a double yellow, no bike lane, no shoulder, pedestrians on the edge of the road on his side. The guy passes a pickup swinging well into my lane as I'm biking up the hill in the other direction. I had to swerve to avoid getting hit.

Answer: The bike rider. Self absorbed and entitled out-dicks oblivious any day.

[FLS]

Answer: The bike rider. Self absorbed and entitled out-dicks oblivious any day.

Wow! Didn't see that coming.

[stfu&gbtw]

First of all, no one is arguing that bikes should go away or ride somewhere else,

Actually, I'm.pretty much arguing this. Bikes are toys and should be treated such. There are paths specifically designed for enjoyment of bicycles and they should be banned from roads on which they cannot generally maintain 90+% of the speed limit.

Saw a bike in Golden come within an inch of his life today... Riding down hill into a 4 way, 8 lane intersection, he guns it as the light is changing and comes flying through the intersection just as the oncoming turn lane gets the green arrow. Might have missed by a foot. It would have been a fatality... Maybe two if the dude had gone through the oncoming windshield.

[highangle]

I don't know any cyclists that don't pay road tax. We have 3 cars.

So if you get a 4th car, do you have to get a tag for it and pay tax when you buy gas for it, or is that just included with the other three, like your bikes?

[old goat]

Wow! Didn't see that coming.

Did you happen to get the part that I was cycling that day too?
And BTW, there was a bike event of some kind at Donner Lake yesterday as well--not a race, not sure what it was. The organizers put signs along the bike lane instructing riders to ride single file. And they all did.
The issue is not the means of transportation. A dick is a dick no matter how they're traveling.

[jono]

So if you get a 4th car, do you have to get a tag for it and pay tax when you buy gas for it, or is that just included with the other three, like your bikes?

That's a problem with the registration of cars not bikes. The public roads exist as a way to transport humans and goods not cars and trucks. If a human pays the tax on a vehicle and leaves it in the garage because he's driving (or riding) something else those taxes are still paid.

That said, I do wonder if bikes could be made to cost effectively pay their fair share. I mean if you total up all the damage done to the road by bikes, add the initial cost of the infrastructure (divided by total miles per user) then figure in both the hourly value of the time that bikes delay other road users and, at a somewhat more discounted rate (say minimum wage? half that?) the hours spent complaining about bikes not paying taxes. When that's done, would the appropriate fee be more or less than the cost of collecting it? Maybe charging sales tax for bikes and bike parts would be more reasonable, but I can't imagine it being as effective a tool against butthurt.

[joetron]

http://via.fox13now.com/UNCDG
This situation is mildly disturbing and demonstrates why we cyclists get so fired up about this shit.
If she hit a parked car, she would have gotten a ticket.

[gravitylover]

Why do drivers keep getting away with no charges? I would expect to be cited for something if it was me behind the wheel. If I wasn't I would expect a beatdown at some point...

[Toadman]

http://via.fox13now.com/UNCDG
This situation is mildly disturbing and demonstrates why we cyclists get so fired up about this shit.
If she hit a parked car, she would have gotten a ticket.

How does the 16 yo kid not get a ticket? WTF? I hope the cyclist sues her.

[Buster Highmen]

http://via.fox13now.com/UNCDG
This situation is mildly disturbing and demonstrates why we cyclists get so fired up about this shit.
If she hit a parked car, she would have gotten a ticket.

Absolutely, the driver should get scorched.

It still doesn't help to be an asshole and block the road which happens to me not infrequently within 2 miles of my house on a road that has 3 foot shoulders.

[highangle]

That's a problem with the registration of cars not bikes. The public roads exist as a way to transport humans and goods not cars and trucks..

Go play on the highway. Bring the kids.

[jono]

Go play on the highway. Bring the kids.

So you changed your mind on the road tax, then? Kinda bummed if that's the case, I really like that idea.

[highangle]

It's included with your car, right?


How come I have to register my boat?

[m97390]

Absolutely, the driver should get scorched.

It still doesn't help to be an asshole and block the road which happens to me not infrequently within 2 miles of my house on a road that has 3 foot shoulders.

One wonders if a few concerned citizens placing calls to the local LEO's about an unsafe traffic situation wouldn't result in a ticket writing campaign...

Even if there isn't a shoulder, bikes only need a driveway to safely allow faster traffic to pass if they are delaying 5 or more vehicles.

On the flip side, as a runner, it's fucking terrifying running facing traffic with the amount of drivers on phones that can't maintain a lane, can't imagine riding facing away.

[Art Shirk]

[jono]

It's included with your car, right?


How come I have to register my boat?

To keep the invasive species from attaching to it, of course. Or, in the case of bikes, to get police to cite inattentive drivers. Having the right to do something only matters if you pay a fee, right?

[jono]

Sweet pic, bro. Looks like the view over the steering wheel? Thanks for taking the time to post it in this important thread.

[old goat]

If I were the pedestrian on that sidewalk/bike path to the right (which is it?) I might have a problem with the bike if he were riding on it. Big issue in Sacto, where there are few bike lanes in midtown/downtown and the ones there are often end suddenly, is bikes on the sidewalk hitting pedestrians. If I were the driver I wouldn't have a problem with the bike on the road.

[jackstraw]

I'm in traffic (moving slowly) and about to take a right hand turn and a biker is coming up behind me, so I wait to make the right. But the reality is he should wait for me if he's following the road rules as I'm in front of him.

Where that may be different is if I'm moving 30-35mph and pass him, then about to take a right. The car should always wait and let the biker go by imo.

This scenario has played out many times for me, both as a driver and a biker. There is a lot of grey area with all of this stuff and many people are just not aware or have never put any thought into it to begin with. Kind of like a 4-way stop sign. What a clusterfuck that can be. geez.

Personally, I was a roadie I would ride defensively and never assume someone is going to see me.

[DBdude]

It's included with your car, right?


How come I have to register my boat?

to tow it on the road

[old goat]

I'm in traffic (moving slowly) and about to take a right hand turn and a biker is coming up behind me, so I wait to make the right. But the reality is he should wait for me if he's following the road rules as I'm in front of him.

Where that may be different is if I'm moving 30-35mph and pass him, then about to take a right. The car should always wait and let the biker go by imo.

This scenario has played out many times for me, both as a driver and a biker. There is a lot of grey area with all of this stuff and many people are just not aware or have never put any thought into it to begin with. Kind of like a 4-way stop sign. What a clusterfuck that can be. geez.

Personally, I was a roadie I would ride defensively and never assume someone is going to see me.

since you are changing lanes from the traffic lane to the bike lane to make your turn you should yield to the cyclist who is occupying the bike lane. I haven't looked up the law on this but it's common courtesy. Given a choice between waiting or forcing someone else to wait or stop, the courteous thing to do is to wait yourself, as you are doing. It's also the safe thing to do, since if you misjudge the relative speeds the cyclist may be unable to stop in time. Happens all the time.

BTW, since when did yield or turn on red mean proceed or turn as long as long as the oncoming car can avoid a crash by slamming on the brakes? What it means is to proceed or turn when you can do it without forcing an oncoming car to slow down.

[jackstraw]

since you are changing lanes from the traffic lane to the bike lane to make your turn you should yield to the cyclist who is occupying the bike lane.

This is where it's grey imo. We don't have a lot of bike lanes here, which sucks. Anyway, if bikes are to follow 'traffic rules', then in traffic they should not be flying by cars on the right side, therefore they should be driving as if they were in a car and let the car in front of them take the right turn first. Personally I do when I'm riding my bar bike on the road. Although, I have no idea what the law is or even if we have one here.