Fu*king Cyclists

[jono]

If they're not in a bike lane and following the rules of the road the bike should move around to your left when they see a right turn signal. If there's enough room between you (if you didn't just pass them b5 seconds ago) that makes it clear that both people see what the other is doing. If they're right on your ass so there isn't room to go around without a serious swerve then you have to wait anyway because there's not enough time to be sure they see what you're doing.

[Art Shirk]

If I were the pedestrian on that sidewalk/bike path to the right (which is it?) I might have a problem with the bike if he were riding on it. Big issue in Sacto, where there are few bike lanes in midtown/downtown and the ones there are often end suddenly, is bikes on the sidewalk hitting pedestrians. If I were the driver I wouldn't have a problem with the bike on the road.

I don't really have any issue with these rich Mercer Island dorks riding their 8k roadbikes around the island. Hell, I ride this loop on the weekends sometimes (minus the 8k bike and feigned sponsorship jersey). But I spent 15 minutes behind these guys who took up the entire lane and didnt offer any deference when there was an opportunity to pass. I was trying to get to a work appointment and they were logging miles on an app so they could brag at the next cocktail mixer.

Ran across a redlight in West Seattle this weekend. Three lanes with the left being a designated turn lane, center to go straight and the right lane a designated right turn lane with a free right on red. No one in left lane, 8 or 9 cars queuing to go straight and no one in the right lane. I was taking a right but had a group of bikers in front of me when I approached the light. They all entered the designated right turn lane with me behind them. And then nothing. They sat there and waited for the light to turn green and then cut back into the straight lane ahead of the waiting cars in the center lane. It was a nice double whammy of discourtesy.

[jono]

But I spent 15 minutes behind these guys trying to get my camera app to upload through the damn TGR photo uploader and didn't notice I was in a legal passing zone and could have used the oncoming lane. I was trying to drive on Mercer Island so I got what I deserved.

FIFY

If this thread has you breaking the law to take a pic of people following the law so you can post it to social media and complain about their "app log" then it's probably, what, achieved it's intended purpose?

[joetron]

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Ran across a redlight in West Seattle this weekend. Three lanes with the left being a designated turn lane, center to go straight and the right lane a designated right turn lane with a free right on red. No one in left lane, 8 or 9 cars queuing to go straight and no one in the right lane. I was taking a right but had a group of bikers in front of me when I approached the light. They all entered the designated right turn lane with me behind them. And then nothing. They sat there and waited for the light to turn green and then cut back into the straight lane ahead of the waiting cars in the center lane. It was a nice double whammy of discourtesy.

Yep. That's shitty cycling behavior. Unfortunate. Vibes.
I see good and bad cycling behavior every day.

Shall we start a thread where we can all share anecdotes of shitty driving behavior? I see a lot more of that everyday. We could make assumptions about why and where these mouthbreathers are driving and why our use of the road is more valid.
It'd probably get tedious and wouldn't really confirm anything besides the fact that we share our existence with a bunch of dumbasses.

[old goat]

This is where it's grey imo. We don't have a lot of bike lanes here, which sucks. Anyway, if bikes are to follow 'traffic rules', then in traffic they should not be flying by cars on the right side, therefore they should be driving as if they were in a car and let the car in front of them take the right turn first. Personally I do when I'm riding my bar bike on the road. Although, I have no idea what the law is or even if we have one here.

A bike is not a car. Bikes are supposed to follow some traffic laws for cars, some are different. In CA a bike is supposed to stay as far to the right as possible. In ID apparently bikes can treat a stop sign as a yield. We can't have it both ways. If we want cyclists to stay to the right so we can pass them, we can't complain if we have to wait for them to pass before we make a right turn. Would you rather they rode in the middle of the lane, just like a car? And frankly it doesn't matter what the law says, turning across the path of a bike is one of the most dangerous things a car can do, after texting and driving drunk. Anyway it sounds like you don't actually do that. It's ok to think bad thoughts as long as you don't act on them.

On my bike when I see a right turn only lane I ride or wait between that and the straight through lane. If there is not a dedicated right turn lane I stay to the right. If I come up on a guy in such a lane stopped, signaling to turn right I might get behind him, depending on the situation. (This never happens;no one uses their turn signal.) If I'm in a car and want to turn right on a red signal or a stop sign and I know I've recently passed some cyclists I get as close to the curb as possible so the bikes have to wait behind me or on my left. Of course I don't do that unless I'm well past the cyclists and the light is red. I don't try to force cyclists to stop while I make my turn unless they are going to have to stop anyway for the light or stop sign.

General rule for driving--when you have the option of inconveniencing yourself or someone else, inconvenience yourself. If you decide to make a left but you're not in the left turn lane, after the light turns green do you wait, holding up all the cars behind you while you wait for the left turn lane to clear, or do you keep going straight and make your left turn somewhere else? When you're driving down donner pass road looking for a free dock or parking space on your left, do you drive 10 mph with a line of cars behind you and then make a 3 point u turn, or do you pull to the right to let the cars go by before you resume your 10 mph cruise or make your u turn? When you miss your exit do you swerve across the solid white dart, forcing everyone else to slam on the brakes, or do you go to the next exit? If your answer to any of these questions is the first option you should lose your license for life and be forced to become an ISIS sex slaves. (I assume they have both male and female sex slaves.)

[highangle]

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It's included with your car, right?


How come I have to register my boat?

to tow it on the road

That's not included with my car tag, like it is with road bikes?

[muted]

Since this horribly stupid thread is bumped, I'll share a funny story from a recent NYC trip. A extremely muscular woman (weightlifter) commuter was on a bike path hauling ass, and there was a pedestrian intersection coming up. Some older ladies were crossing and had the right of way to cross the bike path. The meathead woman biker started to ring her bell many, many times and didn't slow down. The older ladies were startled and confused and eventually just stopped as the meathead swerved around them, at high speed.

I wasn't pissed, I just laughed.New Yorkers do whatever they think they can get away with, no matter if they are bikers/pedestrians/cars/buses/etc.

[FormerKnuckleDragger]

Ran across a redlight in West Seattle this weekend. Three lanes with the left being a designated turn lane, center to go straight and the right lane a designated right turn lane with a free right on red. No one in left lane, 8 or 9 cars queuing to go straight and no one in the right lane. I was taking a right but had a group of bikers in front of me when I approached the light. They all entered the designated right turn lane with me behind them. And then nothing. They sat there and waited for the light to turn green and then cut back into the straight lane ahead of the waiting cars in the center lane. It was a nice double whammy of discourtesy.

It's kind of a no-win for the bikes. If they use the center lane, there's a pretty good chance someone will pull up behind them and also get delayed. And it's oddly discomforting when you're the spandex meat between the metal vehicle sandwich.

If this was me, I'd ride up the right side of the center lane (and hope the group stayed single file) so the right turners can turn right. It makes merging back in on the other side of the intersection a little spicy, but usually the 4-5 cars waiting at a light will zoom past in the intersection.

[Art Shirk]

FIFY

If this thread has you breaking the law to take a pic of people following the law so you can post it to social media and complain about their "app log" then it's probably, what, achieved it's intended purpose?

I didnt break the law (RCW 46.61.667) and assuming my facts about their non-deference of a legally overtaking vehicle (and you are free to think I'm full of shit), they arguably did. You know that the law on all this crap is literally a few clicks away right? Your post was better before you edited it and it only contained three false assumptions.

[Kenny Satch]

groups of cyclists that take up lanes need to be bitch slapped
cycling 2x2 is acceptable
I think its the motorized vehicle rule...if you don't have a motor don't hog the road

disclosure.....I am a cyclist but I respect the rules and signal my intentions
I also hate those wannabe Tour De Fuckers that think they are some kind of pro...get a life.
btw in the city the cyclist need to grow up and realize rush hour is not the time to be ducking in and out of traffic...they ruin it for the rest of us

wow that felt good venting

[jono]

So you're saying you took that pic with an actual camera? Or that your phone's camera is hands free?

And yes, it was better before editing.

[muted]

It's kind of a no-win for the bikes. If they use the center lane, there's a pretty good chance someone will pull up behind them and also get delayed. And it's oddly discomforting when you're the spandex meat between the metal vehicle sandwich.

If this was me, I'd ride up the right side of the center lane (and hope the group stayed single file) so the right turners can turn right. It makes merging back in on the other side of the intersection a little spicy, but usually the 4-5 cars waiting at a light will zoom past in the intersection.

I would do the same thing, hang out in the middle lane so people can turn. When the light turns red, you go for one car length in the way, and then hug right so people can pass. Barely a delay anyone, if it all. Not spicy at all.

[jackstraw]

A bike is not a car.

OFT

If we want cyclists to stay to the right so we can pass them, we can't complain if we have to wait for them to pass before we make a right turn. Would you rather they rode in the middle of the lane, just like a car?

No, but they can stay behind the car on the right, yielding to the car in front of them turning right

And frankly it doesn't matter what the law says, turning across the path of a bike is one of the most dangerous things a car can do, after texting and driving drunk. Anyway it sounds like you don't actually do that. It's ok to think bad thoughts as long as you don't act on them.

The issue is if you didn't just pass the biker you could easily cut off a biker turning right because you cannot see them or didn't see them.

Think bad thoughts? No me. Well, maybe about their outfits

When you miss your exit do you swerve across the solid white dart, forcing everyone else to slam on the brakes, or do you go to the next exit?

Funny, I cannot remember if it was VT or NM that my wife got that answer wrong on the driving test. In that one state the rule is to pull over and throw it in reverse back to the exit you missed. She had answered drive to the next exit and got it wrong.

[Art Shirk]

So you're saying you took that pic with an actual camera? Or that your phone's camera is hands free?

And yes, it was better before editing.

I'm saying I picked up my phone and snapped a picture.

Let's get back to arguing about something that you aren't so obviously wrong about. Like what are cyclists favorite things to smell and why its their own farts.

[jono]

I'm saying I picked up my phone and snapped a picture.

And I'm saying my "assumptions" are all confirmed, thanks. If you want you argue that doing so was legal in WA that would probably be a more interesting exercise given the hands-free and distracted driving laws.

Seriously though, Mercer Island? Nevermind; every person depicted through that pic is doing exactly what should be expected in their location.

[Art Shirk]

If you want you argue that doing so was legal in WA that would probably be a more interesting exercise given the hands-free and distracted driving laws.

What on earth do you think we've been discussing besides the legality of my actions? And there's nothing interesting about it. Its cut and dry. But I do appreciate the red herring diversion.

[jono]

That was a sarcastic comparison: it's not interesting, but watching logical contortions would still be more entertaining than comparing the critical importance of leisure activities (like posting on the an outdoor website from inside--or outside). Yawn.

[ex-powderbroker]

To the top:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/livab...nap-story.html

[iceman]

Think that guy ^^ rides?

[ex-powderbroker]

Nah, he's super objective I'm sure.

[mtngirl79]

Last weekend a gaggle of about 30 spandexed road bikers ran a stop sign and pulled out in front of my bus making me stop hard on a 40 mph road and then proceeded to ride 2 abreast making passing them impossible for several miles.

[stfu&gbtw]

^ Talk about a missed opportunity...

[BmillsSkier]

^ Talk about a missed opportunity...

Snort.

Page 28. Wow, this would warm even Lance's cold stone heart.

[old goat]

Yesterday there was backhoe driving down Donner Pass Rd from the summit towards the lake at about 5 mph. Made me wish it was just a bike or two.

[54-46]

Went for a roadie on Saturday and had cars wave me through 3-4 stop signs (when I was actually going to make full stops). Maybe they appreciated the effort?