2014/2015 ON3P Skis (Official Thread) - Discussion and Lust

**PowTron** · 12-09-2015, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Lindahl

I'd wager the opposite. More demanding in trees and moguls but with more edge grip.

No, the Wren 102 is stupid easy to ski in trees and moguls. It is actually one of the easiest turning skis we have based on the combo of sidecut, rocker profile, and flex

It does a great job in medium to longer turns on packed pow and groomers, as well. The Wren 112 still outshines it for overall edge grip at speed to be honest, but that just has to do with the beef and layup behind it. Many of our customers have had zero issues getting the Wren 102 to bite whenever they need it.

**Lindahl** · 12-09-2015, 11:32 AM

So is the cochise - stupid easy - definitely would be easier imo. People always say its a burly ski, but it really isn't. It kicks out real nicely. I'd be surprised if the Wren 102 was any softer.

**Muggydude** · 12-12-2015, 07:47 PM

Just had my first day on some 2015 186 BGs. Fucking amazing ski, wish I had gotten a pair a long time ago. Variable conditions, snowed throughout the day, close to a foot deep in places. Super easy to pivot, very nice in tight trees, but they truck as well. Need to stay forward on them, but I didn't feel like they worked me over or anything despite being in horrible skiing shape. Definitely think the float better than my 187 GPOs, need to ski those two back to back soon.

**the_flying_v** · 12-12-2015, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Muggydude

Just had my first day on some 2015 186 BGs. Fucking amazing ski, wish I had gotten a pair a long time ago. Variable conditions, snowed throughout the day, close to a foot deep in places. Super easy to pivot, very nice in tight trees, but they truck as well. Need to stay forward on them, but I didn't feel like they worked me over or anything despite being in horrible skiing shape. Definitely think the float better than my 187 GPOs, need to ski those two back to back soon.

Sounds very familiar. Let them run all over the chop all day long.

**sierraskier** · 12-12-2015, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Muggydude

Just had my first day on some 2015 186 BGs. Fucking amazing ski, wish I had gotten a pair a long time ago. Variable conditions, snowed throughout the day, close to a foot deep in places. Super easy to pivot, very nice in tight trees, but they truck as well. Need to stay forward on them, but I didn't feel like they worked me over or anything despite being in horrible skiing shape. Definitely think the float better than my 187 GPOs, need to ski those two back to back soon.

I had my first day on 191 BG's yesterday. Never been on an ON3P ski before yesterday. I need MUCH more time on these but here are my first impressions: much more pivoty and surfy than I thought they would be. The RES, large shovels, and pintail really makes the tips float and they are pretty loose, in a good way. While the tips are loose and surfy, the money tail shape keeps the ski super predictable. I really like the tail, I think it's pretty dialed. With regards to flex, it is stout and lively. Yesterday in Tahoe was wind blown cream cheese pow, so there was some soft but some packed pow with a little backbone. The BG's definitely ride on top of the snow and because of the tip surface area and my weak ass they had a tendency to be deflected around on some of the more firm chunder. I'm probably ~180lbs, maybe ~200lbs with gear and out of ski shape, so I'm sure that has something to do with it. The few completely untracked turns I had were super sweet, the BG's are downright easy and intuitive in pow and I am very much looking forward to more time on these. They surfy, pivoty tips reminded of the feeling on Praxis Powder boards.

**ScrewYou** · 12-13-2015, 01:15 AM

First day on the 189 steeple 112 friday. Amazing, and cant wait to get on the 191 BG. Definitely has a speed limit in deep chop, but its pretty high speed limit. Exactly as i expected, its got the performance of the higher end K2s, but feels lighter and more durable.

Groomers were very fluid, and i really like how they ski all mtn actually. The tips are fairly soft, so they chatter a decent ammount, but it doesnt bother me. The float is what counts. They float soo well. By far the best floatation of any ski under 120mm ive ever skied. On par with 120-130 skis, but much better all mtn.

Its extremely nimble and hopping around in packed powder moguls was a blast. The tail is extremely stable for how light the skis feel. Great in the air. With MTN labs and beast 14s, these feel super light and still can bash around the resort at mach speed.

**ffmedic84** · 12-13-2015, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by aevergreene

I had my first day on the 189 steeple yesterday. Amazing, and cant wait to get on the 191 BG. Definitely has a speed limit in deep chop, but its pretty high speed limit. Exactly as i expected, its got the performance of the higher end K2s, but feels lighter and more durable.

Groomers were very fluid, and i really like how they ski all mtn actually. The tips are fairly soft, so they chatter a decent ammount, but it doesnt bother me. The float is what counts. They float soo well. By far the best floatation of any ski under 120mm ive ever skied. On par with 120-130 skis, but much better all mtn.

Its extremely nimble and hopping around in packed powder moguls was a blast. The tail is extremely stable for how light the skis feel. Great in the air. With MTN labs and beast 14s, these are super light and still can bash around the resort at mach speed.

Were you on the 102 or112's?

**ScrewYou** · 12-13-2015, 10:34 AM

112

**ffmedic84** · 12-13-2015, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by aevergreene

112

Did you get to do any touring on them? Evo has them on sale today. Not sure if I need these or the BG's.

**ScrewYou** · 12-13-2015, 01:38 PM

Looks like evo only has the 174 left. Definitely size up with this ski. Im 6'3 200lbs skiing the 189 and i had no problem with the length in semi tight trees. Its easy to ski. I suspect the BG is much less forgiving, but i like that while in bounds. Although the steeple ripped the bumps uppp

Havent toured with them yet, waiting for one or two more good storms (today were getting one) to let all rocks get covered.

Every aspect about them makes me feel like they will make an awesome charging touring ski, instead of a super light wimpy noodle.

I honestly like the steeple as much as the jeffrey 114 in bumps/all mtn. The Differences are stance, and the Jeff is better on firmer snow and groomers, while the steeple is better in pow and trees. The jeff is still great in trees, i find all On3ps are great in trees.

**ffmedic84** · 12-13-2015, 02:04 PM

Hmmm looking at Evo on my end it shows they have the 174, 184 and 189 in stock still. Thanks for the beta. Think I might pull the trigger.

**ScrewYou** · 12-13-2015, 07:49 PM

I was looking in the outlet.

I detuned the crap out of the edges on my jeffrey 114s and skied the whole afternoon. they are soo much better than the first few days i tried them. Worlds different. Edges were just too sharp, they wouldnt let go and that sucked in bumps..$3 hard gummi stone did the fix. Couldnt stop smiling.

The 186 jeffs are awesome skis. more stable and also slightly more slarvey in the tail than the 189 steeple 112. But not as good in powder or tight-ish trees. The steeple can pivot like a hoji tho, on a dime. I love it. Both skis are rad in there own respect.

Now that i detuned them and have some solid laps on the jeffs, i have to say they are more confidence inspiring than either the bibby or the gunsmoke. Much more playful than either, yet almost as stable as the 190 bibby. On the other hand, its an extremely intuitive ski, and the 190 bibby is not what i would call intuitive. I really liked the gunsmoke, but i think the jeffrey is hands down better everywhere (except groomers), as an all day soft snow ski that can transitions from untouched pow, to choppy pow bumps to beat up packed pow groomers, and you can charge or take it easy. With that being said, i have not skied the jeffreys on hardpack days, but i dont think they will be able to ski firm like the gunsmoke, as those are the champs for 110-115mm skis that also rip hardpack like a boss.

**PowTron** · 12-17-2015, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Lindahl

So is the cochise - stupid easy - definitely would be easier imo. People always say its a burly ski, but it really isn't. It kicks out real nicely. I'd be surprised if the Wren 102 was any softer.

Have you skied both skis? I have. They are both easy to ski.

**PowTron** · 12-17-2015, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by aevergreene

I was looking in the outlet.

I detuned the crap out of the edges on my jeffrey 114s and skied the whole afternoon. they are soo much better than the first few days i tried them. Worlds different. Edges were just too sharp, they wouldnt let go and that sucked in bumps..$3 hard gummi stone did the fix. Couldnt stop smiling.

The 186 jeffs are awesome skis. more stable and also slightly more slarvey in the tail than the 189 steeple 112. But not as good in powder or tight-ish trees. The steeple can pivot like a hoji tho, on a dime. I love it. Both skis are rad in there own respect.

Now that i detuned them and have some solid laps on the jeffs, i have to say they are more confidence inspiring than either the bibby or the gunsmoke. Much more playful than either, yet almost as stable as the 190 bibby. On the other hand, its an extremely intuitive ski, and the 190 bibby is not what i would call intuitive. I really liked the gunsmoke, but i think the jeffrey is hands down better everywhere (except groomers), as an all day soft snow ski that can transitions from untouched pow, to choppy pow bumps to beat up packed pow groomers, and you can charge or take it easy. With that being said, i have not skied the jeffreys on hardpack days, but i dont think they will be able to ski firm like the gunsmoke, as those are the champs for 110-115mm skis that also rip hardpack like a boss.

All +++ YES +++ on this one. Glad they are working out for you. The J114 is my favorite ski for doing absolutely everything in one day on the hill. I like others a little better in specific situations, but you nailed this on the versatility feeling they give most people.

**ScrewYou** · 12-17-2015, 04:41 PM

The jeffrey 114s are my new favorites

**Bandit Man** · 12-17-2015, 07:24 PM

Looking for insight on detuning 186 Billy Goats...just mounted up a new pair. Thx!

**Muggydude** · 12-17-2015, 07:32 PM

I thought mine were pretty good out of the plastic. Didn't do anything for two days of skiing. Maybe some gummy from contact points towards tips and tails would have been good

**SupreChicken** · 12-17-2015, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Muggydude

Just had my first day on some 2015 186 BGs. Fucking amazing ski, wish I had gotten a pair a long time ago. Variable conditions, snowed throughout the day, close to a foot deep in places. Super easy to pivot, very nice in tight trees, but they truck as well. Need to stay forward on them, but I didn't feel like they worked me over or anything despite being in horrible skiing shape. Definitely think the float better than my 187 GPOs, need to ski those two back to back soon.

Yeah, most people say they wish they had gotten a pair of BGs awhile ago. I have two soft days on my 191s so far this season and I still love that ski more than any of my others.

With both mounted on the line, the 191 goat has WAY better float than the 192 GPO. GPO is a little quicker edge to edge and a little snappier in tight spaces. Less demanding in bumps. I've converted the GPO to a touring ski (because they are predictable in anything and easier to shut down than the BG) and use the BG for soft in bounds days.

**SupreChicken** · 12-17-2015, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by aevergreene

The 186 jeffs are awesome skis. more stable and also slightly more slarvey in the tail than the 189 steeple 112. But not as good in powder or tight-ish trees. The steeple can pivot like a hoji tho, on a dime. I love it. Both skis are rad in there own respect.

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This is basically the review I would write comparing the BG and Caylor/Jeff122. Except that the BG is the more stable ride.

**auvgeek** · 12-18-2015, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Bandit Man

Looking for insight on detuning 186 Billy Goats...just mounted up a new pair. Thx!

Pretty much what Muggy said. My advice: just ski with a gummi in your pocket, and detune when you feel the ski catch in a way you don't like.

IIRC, I took a pass or three with a soft gummi from the widest part of the tip forward after experiencing a slight feeling that the skis wanted to go into a "reverse carve" on groomers. After skiing them for another week, I hit the tail once or twice from contact point aft because I felt it wouldn't release exactly how I wanted in certain conditions. Total, I think I took 2-3 passes on the tip and maybe 2 on the tail over the course of a couple weeks, but I like my skis pretty sharp.

**TahoeJ** · 12-18-2015, 11:13 AM

I've been having trouble finding that 104 - 108mm ski that I'm happy with in terms of versatility. Cochise's rip but they suck in powder due to tip dive. I love my Wren 112's but there are still times I want something a bit narrower (and softer) that are just a bit less work to put on edge. It occurred to me ON3P should really introduce a Baby Billy Goat. I know the Steeples are the same shape but I'm talking a non-touring lay-up just like the BG. Maybe a bit less tip and tail rocker but similar flex characteristics. A true "car ski" that you could take anywhere and be good to go.

Am I alone here? Feel free to whip up a prototype and send them my way for testing. ;-)

**auvgeek** · 12-18-2015, 11:21 AM

Personally, I've never really understood the desire for a powder-specific shape in a mid-fat width. I'd rather a 189 RX that's 108 underfoot.

But I bet you could convince Scott to make you a pair of Steeples in the std layup...if you're willing to pay retail.

**Bobcat Sig** · 12-18-2015, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by TahoeJ

I've been having trouble finding that 104 - 108mm ski that I'm happy with in terms of versatility. Cochise's rip but they suck in powder due to tip dive. I love my Wren 112's but there are still times I want something a bit narrower (and softer) that are just a bit less work to put on edge. It occurred to me ON3P should really introduce a Baby Billy Goat. I know the Steeples are the same shape but I'm talking a non-touring lay-up just like the BG. Maybe a bit less tip and tail rocker but similar flex characteristics. A true "car ski" that you could take anywhere and be good to go.

Am I alone here? Feel free to whip up a prototype and send them my way for testing. ;-)

I'm smelling what you're cooking. Those skis for me right now are my 186 Viciks, which can be a wee bit stiff in some stuff or my 190 Salomon Rocker2 108s. The R2s are stupid easy to ski and handle most anything but are rather soft. They are great for small days where only a few inches fell or it's a storm day. I've often dreamed of something similar to that; a mix of the burl from the Vicik for chop and chunder and you'd have yourself a nice little do-it-all ski.

Mr Andrus; now that I'm located in your backyard, I'm happy to help with this new ski.

**uglymoney** · 12-18-2015, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by TahoeJ

I've been having trouble finding that 104 - 108mm ski that I'm happy with in terms of versatility. Cochise's rip but they suck in powder due to tip dive. I love my Wren 112's but there are still times I want something a bit narrower (and softer) that are just a bit less work to put on edge. It occurred to me ON3P should really introduce a Baby Billy Goat. I know the Steeples are the same shape but I'm talking a non-touring lay-up just like the BG. Maybe a bit less tip and tail rocker but similar flex characteristics. A true "car ski" that you could take anywhere and be good to go.

Am I alone here? Feel free to whip up a prototype and send them my way for testing. ;-)

Wren 102 is too soft? I'm asking. I want new BG's (I have original BG and love them) and some Wren 102's to fit in between the BG's and my Brahma's but need a test drive. Stepson has Viciks and he uses them everyday despite having some ice boards that just collect dust now.