2014/2015 ON3P Skis (Official Thread) - Discussion and Lust

**CaliBrit** · 01-21-2015, 04:27 PM

Looking at the dimensions the 184 Steeple is essentially a 186 BG with 4mm off all dimensions in width and 2cm shorter tail in the rockered section so perhaps fairly unnoticeable. Some of this shorter length likely even comes from the v tail rather than the rounder. Essentially length wise they should ski pretty similarly.

Then as I understand it the flex is more rounded, rather than the progressive flex of the BG which is a bit firmer underfoot and softer relatively in the tips and tails.

FUCK typed this and realized you said Steeple 102 not 112. Anyway, this may help someone so it is staying!!!!

**XavierD** · 01-21-2015, 05:42 PM

TexGTX:
You want a 189 or 184 Steeple 102. 186 Peacemaker (mounted -2cm) or to remount the Kartel at minus 2.
I skied the 186 Kartel 98 today, mounted on the line. Conditions were mixed. Dust on Crust, 6in of powder, chopped up crud, bumped out hard pack. Groomers. I agree with most of what you are saying. Te experience I'm getting is similar to when I skied the Gunsmoke at rec (that review is around here somewhere).
The ski really doesnt seem to want to be a directional ski. Tips are really quick to engage (I'm gonna detune the crap out of them) and the tail is more in the way, than providing stability. It skis better the faster you go, and becomes much easier to keep it fall line then at slow speeds, where the tips just want to keep coming across.
What it is great for, is just messing around on crappy (or spring?) days, and playing off side hits. I defiantly think I might like the ski a lot more if I mounted it two back, and detuned the tips a bunch. I got it for messing around like I said, (and potentially going back in the terrain park?) so I'm keeping mine. Defiantly hitting the tips and tails a ton with a file. Gonna be dull for most of the rockered sections.
My .00002¢

edit/adition: skied the second half of the day in crud and groomers. The ski behaves best if you keep your weight evenly distributed between the ball of your foot and heel, standing up with your hips forward and manipulating the ski by shifting your weight rather than driving the ski.

**Muggydude** · 01-21-2015, 07:34 PM

Just commenting in your Kartel experience- Been on Jeronimos for 2 seasons now. I think -3 to -4 seems money, been able to mess around with mount point a lot with some schizo bindings. I also like heavy detuning tips and tails, I rounded about 2 inches in from rocker contact points towards tips (on accident, sort of). Ended up liking it in most situations. On icy groomers I miss being able to really rail on them but beyond that they're a lot of fun that way.

**pfluffenmeister** · 01-21-2015, 08:16 PM

I just received my pair of veneer top Vicik Tours.
Look really sweet.

Can't wait to ski them.

Holy super thick edges Batman!

**shroom** · 01-22-2015, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by XavierD

TexGTX:
You want a 189 or 184 Steeple 102. 186 Peacemaker (mounted -2cm) or to remount the Kartel at minus 2.

My .00002¢

have you got the chance to ski the steeple series?

**zeroforhire** · 01-22-2015, 10:56 AM

If anyone is looking for steeple 102s, check ebay. $400 veneers on there.

**TexasGortex** · 01-22-2015, 10:59 AM

I'll measure when I get home but I think -3 or -4 might put my heel off camber and onto tail rocker. Close to it if not.

It occurred to me as well that -1.5cm might work better for working around the first mount. Salomon toe piece holes are 30mm apart.

**travel_to_ski** · 01-22-2015, 11:05 AM

Maybe not post links to auctions??

**zeroforhire** · 01-22-2015, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by snej

Maybe not post links to auctions??

Oops. Sorry. Forgot that was frowned upon. It has been sitting there for a month at $399 starting bid. Still hasn't sold.

I bought another set from him. Good seller. Fast shipper. He had some veneer steeple 112s up awhile back. Not sure if they sold.

**travel_to_ski** · 01-22-2015, 11:11 AM

No problem, I´ve been eyeing them for my brother and will wait to see what happens. Don´t know about the 112s he won´t answer my messages.

**zeroforhire** · 01-22-2015, 11:13 AM

Let me know if you have trouble getting in touch with the seller. I have his personal email if you need it. My steeples are a light stain. They were previously mounted for beasts. No idea why this guy has so many pretty skis.

**travel_to_ski** · 01-22-2015, 11:48 AM

^^ Thanks I will!!

**XavierD** · 01-22-2015, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by shroom

have you got the chance to ski the steeple series?

Nope, but I know you were less then impressed.
I have hand flexed the shit out of them, talk a lot with Mr Steele about them, and have more days on a Billy Goat then just about anyone alive. And, when considering what TexasGoretex is saying, I think he will like them. I don't think you would like a s3 either.

**shroom** · 01-22-2015, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by XavierD

Nope

I was just curious; I've only skied with a handful of people on here so I've been curious to hear another opinion on those from someone I've seen in action.

**TahoeJ** · 01-22-2015, 06:00 PM

So any reason not to mount my Wrenegade 112's on the line? All of my other ON3P's have been on the line and were spot on, but figured I should at least ask first...

**adrenalated** · 01-22-2015, 06:06 PM

I'm definitely happy on the line.

I'm slightly curious how they would feel at -1 cause the tips are just ever so slightly more hooky than I'd like, but definitely not curious enough to actually put another set of holes in them.

**TahoeJ** · 01-22-2015, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by adrenalated

I'm definitely happy on the line.

I'm slightly curious how they would feel at -1 cause the tips are just ever so slightly more hooky than I'd like, but definitely not curious enough to actually put another set of holes in them.

I read your ongoing review of the Wren 112's, which I found interesting because I also have BillyGoats (and used to own the Cochise, which you mentioned). I weigh about 175 so I'm thinking that it could be less of an issue for me because I will likely compress the cambered portion of the ski more than you and get a tiny bit more rise out of the tips. In theory. Agreed that the BG's are one of the least hooky skis ever.

**XavierD** · 01-22-2015, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by TahoeJ

Agreed that the BG's are one of the least hooky skis ever.

The power of RES.

**SupreChicken** · 01-23-2015, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by XavierD

TexGTX:
You want a 189 or 184 Steeple 102. 186 Peacemaker (mounted -2cm) or to remount the Kartel at minus 2.
I skied the 186 Kartel 98 today, mounted on the line. Conditions were mixed. Dust on Crust, 6in of powder, chopped up crud, bumped out hard pack. Groomers. I agree with most of what you are saying. Te experience I'm getting is similar to when I skied the Gunsmoke at rec (that review is around here somewhere).
The ski really doesnt seem to want to be a directional ski. Tips are really quick to engage (I'm gonna detune the crap out of them) and the tail is more in the way, than providing stability. It skis better the faster you go, and becomes much easier to keep it fall line then at slow speeds, where the tips just want to keep coming across.
What it is great for, is just messing around on crappy (or spring?) days, and playing off side hits. I defiantly think I might like the ski a lot more if I mounted it two back, and detuned the tips a bunch. I got it for messing around like I said, (and potentially going back in the terrain park?) so I'm keeping mine. Defiantly hitting the tips and tails a ton with a file. Gonna be dull for most of the rockered sections.
My .00002¢

edit/adition: skied the second half of the day in crud and groomers. The ski behaves best if you keep your weight evenly distributed between the ball of your foot and heel, standing up with your hips forward and manipulating the ski by shifting your weight rather than driving the ski.

Dude, when can I test drive those in the park? And when are you going to remount at -2

**SupreChicken** · 01-23-2015, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by auvgeek

I don't understand how adding an 8 cm more tip rocker allows you to "rail the tips" better except in powder.

Ok. In all likelihood, it has to do with the recommended mount point, which I suspect is affected by the amount of rocker in both the tip and tail. In my shop the Caylor is much closer to a center mount than the MVP. But you have a point. The reason I can rail the mvp tips is not the added rocker. It's due to where the recommended mount point ends up as a result of the added rocker. I'm on the dimple.

Do I make any sense?

**SupreChicken** · 01-23-2015, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by TexasGortex

It's worth noting that I like the S3 more than the Kartel right now. Rossi makes (some) good skis. ON3Ps are better in my opinion, but that doesn't make all Rossis shitty. Sometimes a Budweiser does the trick too.

Can you elaborate on Caylor issues you had? Was it a mount point issue? Too much tail rocker? Flex? Did you find a solution or just a different ski? This could be really helpful to my Kartel predicament. Thanks.
.

Fair point. I still knock back rainier from time to time. I just ousted my 184 piste jibs in favor of 182 4frnt turbos. Didn't see that move coming until I borrowed a pair from a friend and skied them back to back. Proof in the pudding. If i do get another set of PJs I'll go medium (not med stiff) and mount on the dimple (not at +1)

Re: caylor.

100% a mount point issue. I fortunately have demo clamps on them and on a whim, tried them at - 2 of the recommended line after I had hit too many rocks with my BG to make the edges behave on groomers. Just a quick car swap, like whatever, might as well try them.

I LOVE the way the ski at minus 2. LOVE them.

I have not mastered the art of skiing upright-ish from the ball of my foot. I suck at that. I just didn't like the 186 Ren. I like tip driving. I like skis that can accommodate tip driving.

At -2, these respond perfectly to that approach. Great float, great stability at speed (soft or firm groomers and pow) very easy to slip the tails out in tight spaces. I was able to carry significantly more speed into the bumps without having to rally over the top of the terrain. On my BG, I have to shut it down pretty hard to keep it from raging out of my control in the bumps. Admittedly, I'm an avg or below Avg skier within this community, but management in tight spaces is a huge advantage to the caylor. Groomers at 40-50 mph feel perfectly stable. I actually liked the flat base on rails more than I thought I would. Switch is a clear win for the caylor as well.

For me it's a different ski at -2. I had the same epiphany after remounting my protests.

Bad news is that my quiver is going to stay bloated as all get out because I don't want to sell the Caylors anymore.

Maybe the goats are destined for a second mount with beasts. Caylors for in bounds soft days.

First world problems.

And even though I haven't had turbos on my feet for that many days, my caylor experience makes me wonder if I'd prefer the kartel 106 in a 186 at -2 of recommended. But Scott hasn't responded to my log winded email just yet.

**SupreChicken** · 01-23-2015, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by TexasGortex

I respectfully disagree that a Billy Goat is a safe mindless decision as a replacement for a Super 7. I have little doubt they are better than the Super 7, but that doesn't necessarily make them right for me. I'm open to it, but would like to demo. I don't think you'd want to automatically buy the same size ski as a 5'8" 150lbs guy. You'd flat out have different needs just based on leverage, weight, body mechanics etc. If he loved the 186s, you'd probably buy the 191s. The ski may accommodate both people, or it may not. I've been burned repeatedly trying to make short skis work for me, so I'm going to be a little gun-shy dropping big bucks on skis.

Fair enough. I was actually a bit leery of that purchase as well, but once I had them on my feet, I was upset that I hadn't pulled the trigger sooner. I don't think I'm alone here in that experience.

I like the std layup more than the wood veneer. The woods are a bit plankier and deader feeling to me. But those of you that want the super damp, stable ride over the playful one would probably prefer the woods.

Vs the super 7, what I like about the BG. IMO, YMMV, etc.

-res tip is much surfier in soft snow than the shark nose.
-longer turning radius. The super7 feels like a heavy snowblade to me because they ski really short. The BG is better in open spaces, has a much higher speed limit, does not get tossed across the fall line as easily and doesn't sacrifice MUCH in tight spaces. Super tight trees, the super7 is pretty awesome.
-landing platform. Most stable I've ever experienced landing 6-10' drops.
-variable snow. BG has a smoother, more predictable ride. Less deflection (this does not apply to the tour layup - just the stock)

I'm 6' 165 lbs, started skiing at age 15. 32 now. I've never raced or competed in anything with skis on my feet. It's just a thing that makes me incredibly happy.