2014/2015 ON3P Skis (Official Thread) - Discussion and Lust

[PowTron]

Any idea when the demo fleet will be put up for sale?

Very soon. Some of it has already been sold, but I know what wasn't spoken for will be posted in the next week or two.

[sparkletarte.]

ooooh if you have any shorties available please let me know! I love my Caylors- they are my every day ski no matter what the conditions- but want something lighter for touring. They Caylors are 171 and 120mm, the ones with black feather on them, maybe 5 yrs old. I want a similar feel, but around 110 underfoot and high 60's to ~71- or really, just lighter. What ski would you suggest? The Billy Goat seems like the right size.... ?

mmmmm Caylors....

[cstefanic]

^ I'm okay with this.

[Nillion]

So I'm on my first days of the 13-14 BG here at Alta and the thing rocks on anything remotely soft. Alta actually got snow today and this ski was slaying everything off Supreme and Catherine's. The only issue I'm having is it's super squirrelly on flat hard pack. I feel like I'm constantly going to catch an edge and the ski tracks off on occasional. I detuned it down to the contact points on both the tip and tail and if anything, it made it a bit worse. Is this normal behavior or something I should check out?

[TahoeJ]

Today I finally got to take out my BillyGoats for the first time since last April (because... Tahoe) and they absolutely crushed Alpine Meadows. I forgot how great these skis are.

Nillion - when I first got them last season, they were a bit squirrely on flats... but it's no longer an issue. Even though the tune out of the factory looked great, I think maybe they were just a bit sharp and therefore grabby? I don't really know but it just went away after a few days. I did de-tune the tips and tails a bit and have waxed / tuned them myself several times...

[ricky64]

After staring at my new Grizzlycorn BG's for months, I finally had a chance to pop the cherry on them at Steamboat over the weekend. After sweating over whether they were too long, too wide, too stiff, too heavy, etc., I couldn't wipe the smile off my face at the end of the day. The BG's come around so easily, and so smoothly, are so nicely damped, and so stable, that all my worries were stupid. They never felt heavy. Unlike everyone else on here, I'm not a 6'5, 270 pounds, extreme skiing base jumper. I'm 50, 5'10', and 165 pounds, and I have the 186 length. Bottom line, these skis are not overly demanding, just incredibly rewarding (except in icy bumps). I wouldn't sweat your size or a few cm length... Also, so much fun having the Grizzlycorn staring up at me from a purple background...
I'll be on these anytime the conditions are not completely hardpack. I think my Jeffrey 110's are going to get sold (I don't spend that much time switch or in the park), and I'll look for a narrower bump/hardpack ski. Curious how the Wren 102 does in the bumps...

[SupreChicken]

Huh. What length/year/topsheet are those Jeffreys?

[Sessiøn]

So I'm on my first days of the 13-14 BG here at Alta and the thing rocks on anything remotely soft. Alta actually got snow today and this ski was slaying everything off Supreme and Catherine's. The only issue I'm having is it's super squirrelly on flat hard pack. I feel like I'm constantly going to catch an edge and the ski tracks off on occasional. I detuned it down to the contact points on both the tip and tail and if anything, it made it a bit worse. Is this normal behavior or something I should check out?

Di you just go over the rocker quickly with a gummi, or did you aggresively detune? I spend about 5 min per edge really knocking it down.

[Nillion]

Di you just go over the rocker quickly with a gummi, or did you aggresively detune? I spend about 5 min per edge really knocking it down.

Around a dozen strokes per side. I'll hit it with a few more today to see if it helps.

[auvgeek]

Guess I like my edges sharp, as I've never needed more than a pass or two with the gummy stone on the BGs [edit: outside of the contact zones; nothing inside the contact zone.]

ON3P has the best finish and factory tune of any ski I've used, but I would still make sure the bases are dead flat.

More Edits: Agree that the BG likes some tip pressure. But that's how you ski them. Also, the BGs are a little ... loose ... on hardpack. Just the nature of the beast. Probably partly the 1/1 tune and partly the shape of the ski as well.

[XavierD]

Guess I like my edges sharp, as I've never needed more than a pass or two with the gummy stone on the BGs.

ON3P has the best finish and factory tune of any ski I've used, but I would still make sure the bases are dead flat.

I agree.

also...

I would also add that I find that the BG requires tip pressure on firm snow. Not a lot, but you can't be backseat. The reverse sidecut in the tip will try to grab and turn the wrong way if you don't keep just a little bit of pressure on the front half of the ski.

I didn't realize this until I got on some other more 'modern' shapes that really don't like you to drive the tips. The Billy Goat wants you to drive the tips. If you try and hang out with a centered weight, you'll get beat around,

[adrenalated]

ON3P has the best finish and factory tune of any ski I've used, but I would still make sure the bases are dead flat.

This....

I would also add that I find that the BG requires tip pressure on firm snow. Not a lot, but you can't be backseat. The reverse sidecut in the tip will try to grab and turn the wrong way if you don't keep just a little bit of pressure on the front half of the ski.

[Ted Striker]

Guess I like my edges sharp, as I've never needed more than a pass or two with the gummy stone on the BGs [edit: outside of the contact zones; nothing inside the contact zone.]

ON3P has the best finish and factory tune of any ski I've used, but I would still make sure the bases are dead flat.

This. Mine are exactly as they left the factory, with the exception of deburring where I've hit rocks.

the BG requires tip pressure on firm snow. Not a lot, but you can't be backseat. The reverse sidecut in the tip will try to grab and turn the wrong way if you don't keep just a little bit of pressure on the front half of the ski.

And this. I know I'm getting tired/lazy when I feel the reverse hook-up.

[TahoeJ]

Agreed that ON3P's have some of the best factory preps, didn't mean to imply otherwise. When you're detuning the tips and tails make sure to take the gummy stone and rub it across the edge, somewhat firmly and not with the grain. A super sharp edge will just slide cleanly through it otherwise. At least in my experience.

[Nillion]

I agree.

also...



I didn't realize this until I got on some other more 'modern' shapes that really don't like you to drive the tips. The Billy Goat wants you to drive the tips. If you try and hang out with a centered weight, you'll get beat around,

This made all the difference. I'm coming from Jmos amongst other rockered twin tips that benefit from a centered stance. I just needed to adjust my stance. Now it's golden. No squirreliness at all. Killed it all morning in the fresh and the hard pack.

[zeroforhire]

I have some Steeple 102s that I'm having trouble mounting due to hole conflicts. Any general recommendations on how far forward or back I can go and still maintain decent control? I know some skis have a decent sized sweet spot... Hope these can be a bit forgiving.

[tally]

Just got a pair of Jeffrey 114s in 181. Question: how far back is the recommended mounting point (I heard it was -4)? And as I like to dabble in the park and switch (aside from this being my main powder ski)etc, will -3 to -2 negatively how it skis?

[adrenalated]

Just got a pair of Jeffrey 114s in 181. Question: how far back is the recommended mounting point (I heard it was -4)? And as I like to dabble in the park and switch (aside from this being my main powder ski)etc, will -3 to -2 negatively how it skis?

Take a tape measure and measure it? If you're only "dabbling" in the park, I can't imagine wanting to mount further forward than -4. -4 is already a very centered mounting location.

[undertow2]

Around a dozen strokes per side. I'll hit it with a few more today to see if it helps.

Give them another try... We were up there the same day and I was on my Praxis 193 MVPs and my buddy was on his 186 Jeffrey's and had the exact same experience... Both skis were great on the downhill, but on the flats and cat tracks the up hill ski was very catchy and wandered... It was new snow, but funky... I would have brought my 191 Billy's, but when I checked forecast before traveling there was no new being called...

Also just saw your last comment and no doubt they like to be driven from the tips... Regardless, the snow that day was weird and was part of the problem...

[Sessiøn]

Just got a pair of Jeffrey 114s in 181. Question: how far back is the recommended mounting point (I heard it was -4)? And as I like to dabble in the park and switch (aside from this being my main powder ski)etc, will -3 to -2 negatively how it skis?

Just mount them on the line.

[Ted Striker]

Just mount them on the line.

This needs to be stickied in every on3p thread.

[TexasGortex]

If anyone is curious about an update on my Kartel 98s...

Remounting at -1.5cm resolved their extremely low speed limit and stability issues. Unfortunately (but not all that surprisingly) it also killed the positive aspects of the ski. It's a much better ski mounted at -1.5, but I'd say it only improved it to be an all around average ski. I wouldn't be impressed enough to buy it from any other manufacturer. I don't know if this thread is the place for a full review, or if anyone even wants one, but I'm willing to type one up or answer specific questions.

I know that some of you felt that I bought the wrong ski. I should have bought more of a charger like a Steeple or Billygoat and not a park ski. Well, after some demoing I ended up finding the perfect replacement and it wasn't all that dissimilar to a Kartel; a 190cm Kastle XX110 mounted on the line (-7cm). Kastle combined a highly playful park ski with the good traits that their brand is known for on their more traditional skis. It's what I was hoping for from ON3P.

I hate to say it because I like their other products and company, but the Kartel is nothing special. It's a below average ski when mounted on the line and middle of the pack at -1.5. In my opinion it needs some design tweaks before it competes with (much less stands out against) the competition.

[Shu Shu]

I spent a good amount of time on my brothers 110 waisted Jeffrey in a 186, and it sounds a lot more like the ON3P ski that would work for you. It's a playful ski that can rally and charge through chop waaay better than its flex might make you think. Honestly if my bro didn't own it already (and have the same BSL) I would have picked some up last year before they changed it. Super fun ski. Kastle sound sweet too, enjoy.

[iggyskier]

If anyone is curious about an update on my Kartel 98s...

Remounting at -1.5cm resolved their extremely low speed limit and stability issues. Unfortunately (but not all that surprisingly) it also killed the positive aspects of the ski. It's a much better ski mounted at -1.5, but I'd say it only improved it to be an all around average ski. I wouldn't be impressed enough to buy it from any other manufacturer. I don't know if this thread is the place for a full review, or if anyone even wants one, but I'm willing to type one up or answer specific questions.

I know that some of you felt that I bought the wrong ski. I should have bought more of a charger like a Steeple or Billygoat and not a park ski. Well, after some demoing I ended up finding the perfect replacement and it wasn't all that dissimilar to a Kartel; a 190cm Kastle XX110 mounted on the line (-7cm). Kastle combined a highly playful park ski with the good traits that their brand is known for on their more traditional skis. It's what I was hoping for from ON3P.

I hate to say it because I like their other products and company, but the Kartel is nothing special. It's a below average ski when mounted on the line and middle of the pack at -1.5. In my opinion it needs some design tweaks before it competes with (much less stands out against) the competition.

We love feedback, so post it up. Pretty obviously the Kartel 98 wasn't the ski for you, so glad you were able to find something you are happy with. I will say that comparing the Kartel 98 to a Kastle XX110 is sort of a strange comparison to me. You are comparing an all-mountain capable park ski to "The Kastle XX110 is Colby James West's signature powder ski of choice." In this case, it sounds like a 186cm or (next year) 191cm Jeffrey 114 or older 110mm 186cm Jeffrey would have been the way to go if you were looking for something from our lineup. Comparing a medium flexing, 21m radius, 98 underfoot to a 24m radius, 110 underfoot ski (no idea on flex) is apples to oranges IMO. Just very different skis. I would be interested to see what you think of the Jeffrey 114 if you can try a pair.

On our end, it is a design that is based on skis we have all loved since the original Jmo, and they are the everyday for every employee at ON3P, along with most of our team now. It also took one of our best selling skis in the Jeronimo and increased sales 300% in just one year (Karl's name is obviously a big part of that), along with basically being backordered all season, so I think for the skiers the ski is meant for, it is doing very well. Obviously wasn't what you are looking for, but if you have suggestions for what you would want to see with it, by all means let us know. We listen to all the feedback we get.

Thanks!

[TexasGortex]

I know they aren't mirror images of each other, but I thought they were in the same ballpark. The XX110 is medium flex, 186.x actual length, fully symmetrical, 24m radius, rocker on both ends (40-41cm deep), camber under foot, jib emphasis. Calling it a powder ski is probably just marketing BS; It's a far cry from a dedicated powder ski. "All-mountain capable park ski" would be much more apt. They sell XX models in 80, 90, and 110mm widths. I'd have tried a 100mm if available (this was my target width, but I'm flexible on that). The Kartel 106 would be a more direct comparison, as would the 110/114 Jeffreys, but it's hardly apples and oranges. More like Navel vs Valencia. Lot more similarities than differences in my opinion.

I'd love to try a pair of Jeffrey 114s. I'm interested in testing a bunch of your stuff actually. I've tried for several years to track down demos I could pay for (primarily in Summit/Eagle counties of Colorado) without any luck. That's not your fault, I'm sure you'd love to have more retailers. My travel schedule always seems to just miss PowTron. If the stars ever align, I'm going to jump at the opportunity.

I'll start working on a review. Take my time to try and make it constructive.