OFFICIAL I70 BITCH THREAD....

[hatchgreenchile]

I am looking forward to the CDOT mandated seasons pass rates.

[Skistack]

No westbound trucks Saturday mornings, no eastbound trucks Sunday afternoons. 4 hours each day. That would really cause the end of civilization as we know it?

[bean]

Semis are what, maybe 3% of the I70 traffic you’ll see on a weekend? Not the problem.

Reducing 3% of car traffic would make a big impact on traffic delays.

I am looking forward to the CDOT mandated seasons pass rates.

Obama's federal takeover of Summit County!!!!!!!

[Kinnikinnick]

Yeah. Who will pull sway with the government bureaucrats and politicians if anyone started to take the idea of trucking restrictions?:

A) Thousands of unorganized Metro area skiers

B) https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/sum...?id=D000000177

[Dr Donny Brook (Richard Head)]

No westbound trucks Saturday mornings, no eastbound trucks Sunday afternoons. 4 hours each day. That would really cause the end of civilization as we know it?

I'm not a lawyer (IANAL), but I don't think cdot or the state of Co gov't has the authority to enact such rules on the interstate, because of its federal cross--state nature. Even if it's a good idea.

That said I don't see why these trucking companies keep sending up trucks during peak hours, every fucking week. It's stupid, there are gaps in the traffic everyday, it's not like the high country would go unsupplied. There are statistical data and methods to predict when any vehicle should attempt to drive the I70 corridor, but clearly at least some of the trucking companies/individuals are not thinking very strategically as it would be be more profitable for them to run at other times, such as the middle of the night. Trucks are not a huge proportion of traffic, true, but they really do fuck up the traffic all to regularly by entering the frey at bad times, and of course by jackknifing when they don't bother to chain up. Easiest solutions are for the state to enforce the chain law on these dumbshit tuckers that don't chain up and for someone with computational skills to offer ROI analyses and realtime data feeds of different shipping patterns to truckers.

I think in 10 years self driving vehicles are going to eliminate human truckers and most cars anyway so the bus/train solutions are not likely worth it in the long run.

[char]

My takeaway from this thread is the before anyone spends more money on more lanes, rail, etc. it would be wise for CO to figure out a realistic plan to deal with unchained trucks and ill prepared drivers. IE - large signs advertising large fines.

[hatchgreenchile]

Obama's federal takeover of Summit County!!!!!!!

I can see the picket line forming outside VRs corporate office… RAISE THE PRICE, RAISE THE PRICE, RAISE THE PRICE

[adrenalated]

Why do you guys all seem to think that all the truckers on I-70 during busy times are local suppliers or frequent travelers? I-70 through CO happens to be the most direct route from virtually any major city east of Colorado and north of I-70 into Las Vegas as well as smaller communities in western CO and the entire central/southern part of UT, and even into LA. I sincerely doubt that any local shippers are routinely sending trucks up I-70 on Saturday morning to Frisco with drivers that are so inexperienced in snow driving that they don't know to use chains.

[Danno]

Why do you guys all seem to think that all the truckers on I-70 during busy times are local suppliers or frequent travelers? I-70 through CO happens to be the most direct route from virtually any major city east of Colorado and north of I-70 into Las Vegas as well as smaller communities in western CO and the entire central/southern part of UT, and even into LA. I sincerely doubt that any local shippers are routinely sending trucks up I-70 on Saturday morning to Frisco with drivers that are so inexperienced in snow driving that they don't know to use chains.

exactly. and if you're some manufacturer in Indiana shipping goods to St. George or Vegas or Grand Junction, you're not going to be able to time all your shipments to avoid our skier traffic. And if you're UPS or USPS or FedEx, that shit has to move, there's no sitting around waiting for a more opportune time to ship it.

[Flyoverland Captive]

^^^ Highway neutrality now!

[skipowpow]

FYI a bill was presented today in the Co legislature to require chains or snow tires carried in all passenger cars from November through March (maybe April).

[Dr Donny Brook (Richard Head)]

exactly. and if you're some manufacturer in Indiana shipping goods to St. George or Vegas or Grand Junction, you're not going to be able to time all your shipments to avoid our skier traffic. And if you're UPS or USPS or FedEx, that shit has to move, there's no sitting around waiting for a more opportune time to ship it.

I don't see why they couldn't time it better, small gains in efficiency/time/fuel savings would add up over time and across the volume of trucks they send. It wouldn't be that hard, they have the data feeds and historical info available. I know FedEx uses a data approach for designing urban routes. They organize delivery routes to avoid rush hour traffic congestion, minimize left hand turns and they even track and penalize drivers for backing their trucks up. I don't think it's FedEx that's the problem here...

[montanaskier]

Scooters.....that's the snswer

[bean]

I don't see why they couldn't time it better, small gains in efficiency/time/fuel savings would add up over time and across the volume of trucks they send.

I imagine the big companies at least try to time/route trucks efficiently. Problem is if you're going across the country, you're almost certain to hit some sort of weather-related problems. A few hours wasted on I-70 in CO sucks, but not as much as, say, getting stuck at the CO/NE border for a day and a half because of a wind/ice event.

[smmokan]

Your prayers are answered: http://www.9news.com/story/news/loca...cost/21440883/

I'm not sure why they're going all the way to Glenwood, I have to imagine the bus is going to be pretty empty after the Eagle stop.

[summit]

^One roundtrip per day on the Denver/Vail/Glenwood route... 50 people

I70 PROBLEM SOLVED!

[Shredhead]

It's not aimed at day skiers.

If Bustang gets them to Glenwood, then they can access RAFTA all the way from Aspen to Rifle.

[Danno]

Your prayers are answered: http://www.9news.com/story/news/loca...cost/21440883/

I'm not sure why they're going all the way to Glenwood, I have to imagine the bus is going to be pretty empty after the Eagle stop.

that's pretty fucking cheap, Vail to Denver $17.

[Name Redacted]

Once again, I challenge all of you who live on the front range to take some form of public transportation to a ski area ONE time this season. Report back what you find.

[The SnowShow]

Once again, I challenge all of you who live on the front range to take some form of public transportation to a ski area ONE time this season. Report back what you find.

This is 'merica damn it. Give me my Escalade. We don't need no stinkin' bus service.

[char]

You guys just need to turn I70 into a toll road. Or a tolled HOV lane.

It doesn't seem totally crazy to provide bus service directly from a bus station in Denver to a single ski area to see if it works. Work with a ski area to figure out where they have high skier concentrations, target the bus service for those areas, advertise the shit out of it, and subsidize the cost. What is it costing to have massive backups every weekend? Worth a shot, might reduce some traffic.

No way are you going to get people riding transit buses with multiple stops along the way. Need to have early and normal arrival times to accommodate the core skier.

[Name Redacted]

You guys just need to turn I70 into a toll road.

Hugh could work the toll booth, and only accept handwritten checks. Like purgatory, only worse.

[hatchgreenchile]

Switching a paid off highway to a toll road for the sole purpose of discouraging traffic? Sounds illegal

[Flyoverland Captive]

Switching a paid off highway to a toll road for the sole purpose of discouraging traffic? Sounds illegal

Yep. If I owned a business in Summit and CDOT deliberately made it more difficult/expensive for my customers to get to me, I'd fight back hard.

[Name Redacted]

Maybe it would weed out all the cheap fuckers and only allow big spenders to come up the hill. Like $25 round trip. Might also promote carpooling, or hitchhiking. Use the extra funds to widen MORE TUNNELZZZ