Hjortleifson has been heard, the DynaFit Vulcan

[Chainsaw_Willie]

i have used my powerwraps from my alpine boots in my touring boots before to stiffen them up. but with the mercuries, i personally don't want/need any more stiffness (damn... that sounds wrong).

Yeah, they're plenty stiff. I was thinking more about the cuff height, but I guess if the luxury liners are taller as well then why not.

I would welcome a little more stiffness in the One, but I'm not going to be driving big, stiff skis with them so we'll see how they work out.

[PNWbrit]

Which liners did you go with? .

I'm using the stock one.

It does seem quite (very) cold though can see changing to a pro-tour for better warmth - opinions?

[midnite]

Baffled, but happy.

Picked up some mercuries from Bent Gate with the 20% promotion. Decided to go for a 29 even though I usually fit a 28.5 - partially to have a similar bsl to my old boots and partially in the hopes I'd get a touch more room in the toe. As it turned out, the shells were too long and even without a foot bed, my insteps were crushed (without the middle buckle fastened). Spooked by the instep situation and not wanting to throw down for intuitions, I begrudgingly sent them back. Being the obsessive researcher I am, I ended up stumbling across a guy in SLC who was selling some barely used ones in a 28.5, so after some hedging, went for it. Tried them without footbeds and they felt funky (the bathtub shape that's been mentioned elsewhere), but no instep crush. The toes are tight down below near the boot board, but slope outward higher up in the toe giving the sensation of more room as you move your toes upward. I thought the lasts were the same... maybe it's the liner? The fact they'd been worn a few times? Anyway, I put a thin sole liner in and bam: near perfect fit. Don't even think I'm going to get the liners molded. Hope they're stiff enough... but then again, I'm okay with not having to eff with a removable tongue.

Curious to know what everyone thinks about the warmth of intuition liners vs. OEM...

[time2clmb]

Restriction of tour mode range of motion?

It's how it felt when I tried a wrap line in mine.

I have the powerwraps in mine and the loss of touring range is very very minimal to the point of being irrelevant, for me at least. I don't use any where near the rearward flex that's available and don't really notice any resistance so far. Have enough touring days on them to have noticed if it's an issue or not.

I have a bunch of day in bounds on mine now to get a real test of the skiability. Powerwraps and booster straps. Very progressive flex. Nice and stiff. Have driven Line Influence 115's as well as Lhasas pretty fast through variable chop and these things ski fantastic. They could be a 1 boot quiver no problem....if you have a non alpine only set up that is (dukes etc). Laterally stiff as fuck. Nice stiff flex fore and aft. Have tried both lean positions and prefer the more aggressive forward option.

Fitting them has been a pain in the ass. With insoles in it's just a hair tight on the instep and with them out it's just a bit too roomy to the point of having to buckle them tighter which makes them no different than having the insoles in... I've considered chopping that most distal buckle off all together as it really doesn't do much for how I have them sized.

[GeezerSteve]

Restriction of tour mode range of motion?

Depends on your frame of reference. Coming from a TLT5, I notice the reduced tour ROM with a wrap liner. Back to the stock liner for me for now.

[harpo-the-skier]

My TLT5P/Pro Tour combination has much more and free-er range of motion than my Mercuries with stock liners, both without tongues.

[GeezerSteve]

^ Yup, of course.

[sb]

Baffled, but happy.

Picked up some mercuries from Bent Gate with the 20% promotion. Decided to go for a 29 even though I usually fit a 28.5 - partially to have a similar bsl to my old boots and partially in the hopes I'd get a touch more room in the toe. As it turned out, the shells were too long and even without a foot bed, my insteps were crushed (without the middle buckle fastened). Spooked by the instep situation and not wanting to throw down for intuitions, I begrudgingly sent them back. Being the obsessive researcher I am, I ended up stumbling across a guy in SLC who was selling some barely used ones in a 28.5, so after some hedging, went for it. Tried them without footbeds and they felt funky (the bathtub shape that's been mentioned elsewhere), but no instep crush. The toes are tight down below near the boot board, but slope outward higher up in the toe giving the sensation of more room as you move your toes upward. I thought the lasts were the same... maybe it's the liner? The fact they'd been worn a few times? Anyway, I put a thin sole liner in and bam: near perfect fit. Don't even think I'm going to get the liners molded. Hope they're stiff enough... but then again, I'm okay with not having to eff with a removable tongue.

Curious to know what everyone thinks about the warmth of intuition liners vs. OEM...

Hmmm, I was looking at the same situation. Whats your width?

As for warmth of OEM liners vs Intuitions, Intuitions are by far warmer and lighter in my experience.

[Dee Hubbs]

Momentum then open hopper.

[LeeLau]

My TLT5P/Pro Tour combination has much more and free-er range of motion than my Mercuries with stock liners, both without tongues.

^ Yup, of course.

Thirded but not that many people have Vulcan/Mercury/One - and - TLT5 experience.

You both have to admit the Dynafit free-touring (obligatory marketing barfspeak term) boots have way better ROM over any previous generation of boots other than maybe Maestrale. Even then Maestrale isn't quite as free-ish.

Its no wonder that even say a Mercury with Powerwrap still feels pretty amazing - because it does

[midnite]

scottyb: I'm a C/D width with a normal arch. Guessing I'll get intuitions at some point - considering pro tour or dreamliner... Don't think I could buckle the boot in a powerwrap given my big-ass calves. I'm literally on the last catch on the upper buckles in the OEM liner.

[JeffreyJim]

scottyb: I'm a C/D width with a normal arch. Guessing I'll get intuitions at some point - considering pro tour or dreamliner... Don't think I could buckle the boot in a powerwrap given my big-ass calves. I'm literally on the last catch on the upper buckles in the OEM liner.

You know you can move the bail "lock" out too right? (just need a torx) I had to do so also...

[midnite]

Nice one. Missed that. Thought they were already all the way out, but have one more notch to go. Thanks-

[Chainsaw_Willie]

Skied my new Ones today. Love the way they ski. They're plenty stiff when tightly buckled and the power strap cranked down and drive the kind of ski I use in the BC with no problems. (was on 178 G3 Zen Oxides today - great ski.) ROM in walk mode is crazy compared to my old Zzeus. Losing a little with a wrap liner would be no issue for me. Love the no-fuss buckle system too. Open buckle for tour, close buckle for ski. Sweet.

Still having fit issues, especially with left boot. Still too narrow across the mid-foot (they've already been punched in the 6th toe area). After climbing and skiing in them all day my foot is bruised, swollen, and quite painful along the outside. It's actually a good thing I won't be skiing again 'til next week, my foot's going to need time to heal. They'll need more widening to work with my wide feet, but once the fit's dialed I know I'm going to love them.

[kootenayskier]

Dropped my intuition alpine (wrap) liners from my 28.0 Titan UL boots into 28.0 Mercury shells, for a shop floor test. Great fit for my low volume foot/leg (much better than with the stock liners), love the shape of the heel pocket. A little more fore-foot volume and less rear-ward support than the Titans. Forward flex seemed within the range of acceptable, but impossible to assess the quality of the flex without skiing em. I'm guessing they'd make perfect backcountry slippers, but am not completely convinced they'd work as for resort/backcountry cross-over. Am very curious to try the Vulcans for comparison.

[XXX-er]

Dropped my intuition alpine (wrap) liners from my 28.0 Titan UL boots into 28.0 Mercury shells, for a shop floor test. Great fit for my low volume foot/leg (much better than with the stock liners), love the shape of the heel pocket.

not completely convinced they'd work as for resort/backcountry cross-over. Am very curious to try the Vulcans for comparison.

this is exactly my experiance ^^ for anyone who owns an intuition liner take them along to the shop and thro them in the boot unmolded for a test fit

REALLY, what you are buying is the mercury shell and if the liner also fits you are special, for kicks I tried the 24 dynafit liner in my 24 alpine shell figuring it had more volume and the combo might work ...no go

I found the Mercury skied the hill pretty good compared to my higher end but not plug boot 4 buckle overlap they are a generational leap over the AT boot I bought 5 yrs ago

[ulty_guy]

Ok finally got my mercury's out for their maiden voyage. One hour skin, as said ROM is fantastic with no heel slippage which surprised me. It's actually almost disconcerting at first. You barely have to use any heel elevation.

Got up to GM and skied 3 laps of heavy pow and chopped mush, tough conditions (movement trust + dynafit). Sailed through with 5*. I've never had a first outing in a boot go so well without any adjustment to skiing style. Love the forward lean, perfect for me, but I like fairly upright boots. Skied w tongues and they are really quite stiff, more than my bd factor 130s w spk liner. I'll have to try without when the snow is a bit easier.

I have a narrow foot with a high arch. I didn't bake the liners on a 27.5. Even with my high arches and narrow feet, I could feel my arches at the of the day. I have no clue how flatfooted people would get into these.

[XXX-er]

avec conform'ables liner

[LeeLau]

Dropped my intuition alpine (wrap) liners from my 28.0 Titan UL boots into 28.0 Mercury shells, for a shop floor test. Great fit for my low volume foot/leg (much better than with the stock liners), love the shape of the heel pocket. A little more fore-foot volume and less rear-ward support than the Titans. Forward flex seemed within the range of acceptable, but impossible to assess the quality of the flex without skiing em. I'm guessing they'd make perfect backcountry slippers, but am not completely convinced they'd work as for resort/backcountry cross-over. Am very curious to try the Vulcans for comparison.

You're one of the people who's aggressive enough and skies enough to need the Vulcans for inbounds. Problem is getting them S

[midnite]

I second Chainsaw Willie's sentiment. Got my Ones out for some weather-beaten pow laps yesterday on Tonics and didn't feel inclined to use the power straps at all (some wind-exposed crust s well). I ski a 120 flex boot in resorts, so was expecting to be wanting for more, but was astounded at how stiff they ski. Maybe I'll have a different take when I ski some nasty ass breakable crust and mank, but I'm perfectly happy with the flex for now. The heel pocket holds like a vice (in a good way) and after paying $30 to have the liner baked, the fit is damn near perfect. I'm sure in some conditions the Mercury tongue would be preferable, but the simplicity of not having to fuck around with it is well worth it to me - especially given how stiff the ski. As everyone's stated, lateral stiffness lends itself to great precision turning, and forward flex for this 190 pounder is plenty stiff.

[XXX-er]

last week I put one tongue in the mercury the other tongue in my pack and hiked up the ski hill which I completely forgot about till it was time for the down ... I guess I didn't notice much difference

One of the power straps ripped thru on day 2 which is fixable with large washers but I took them both off instead ... now its just one lever to lock n load

[wilcox510]

Maybe its buried somewhere in this thread, but anyone got a flex index estimate for vulcan and/or mercury without the tongue? I think Leelau had said the Maestrale RS is stiffer than the mercury without the tongue...

[ulty_guy]

Oh, one of my powerstraps also came off, need washers built into the straps itself.

For reference to above, avg height, weight, ski level, cock length, etc etc etc

Edit- tried without tongues today and it doesn't work for me cause I can't cinch them down tight enough for my chicken calves. Maybe once I move the buckles over.

[mtbcat]

What size torx tool to move Mercury buckle catches ?

[LeeLau]

Guys the powerstraps go through the webbing on the tongue. I ripped them off the bootshells-- the straps are designed to rip off easily.

When skiing without tongues I don't bother with the powerstraps. With the tongues then I use the straps although the bootshell itself is so stiff I bet I woudn't notice much.

This is mentioned in the manual accompanying the boot fyi