Hjortleifson has been heard, the DynaFit Vulcan

[Fejau]

I hate lace up liners. Without laces found the tongue would move around too much and over/underlap the various cuffs when in walk mode. Plus a pain to get in and out of since the laces over instep just worked tighter and tighter.

Got some Bungee Stretch Laces which I've laced up just part way up the eyelets. Prevents the tongue flopping around like an over heated Golden Retriever's and easy to get boot off.

Meh, skied them today with laces and I actually quite liked it.

Another thing, skied the mercury's with the powerstraps detached and fed through the tongue loop, and I LOVED it!
I was able to bring the powerstrap a bit higher up which I found gave me much more control. Very happy with that.

All in all though, I'll be getting Intuition for my boots and recommending others to do so whom buy from me.

[shirk]

All in all though, I'll be getting Intuition for my boots and recommending others to do so whom buy from me.

That is kinda fuckt that brand new touring boots costing a small fortune need brand new Intuition liners.

If these boots NEED Intuition liners right from day one I'd start calling that a fail.

[Scotsman50]

That is kinda fuckt that brand new touring boots costing a small fortune need brand new Intuition liners.

If these boots NEED Intuition liners right from day one I'd start calling that a fail.

They don't !!!...the stock liners are well made, designed to work with the boots( flex zones and stiffened tongue) and fit me and many other people very, very well. I tired my vulcans with intuition liners and actually prefer the stock liner. YMMV of course.

However, I do see a tendency among some people( not all ) to discover they NEED intuition liners as it makes them feel that their sensitivity is enhanced over other mere mortals and that they need this modification to allow them to release their full ripper potential. It adds to their self-esteem.

[PNWbrit]

They don't !!!...the stock liners are well made, designed to work with the boots( flex zones and stiffened tongue

Yep.

They're perhaps a touch on cold side? Or Maybe just I've got a tighter boot fit than I've been used to/need to pack out a little? I also like that they have a rubberized sole.

Putting a liner in that didn't have the Achilles tendon flex panel would be a mistake (as would a wrap liner IMO) since it's going to restrict range of motion in tour mode.

[reukk]

That is kinda fuckt that brand new touring boots costing a small fortune need brand new Intuition liners.

If these boots NEED Intuition liners right from day one I'd start calling that a fail.

+1

Dynafit liners could really use some help. They're heavy, cold, don't mold that well. It's relative to fit, BUT compared to intuitions, dynafit liners are pretty shitty.

[marshalolson]

That is kinda fuckt that brand new touring boots costing a small fortune need brand new Intuition liners.

If these boots NEED Intuition liners right from day one I'd start calling that a fail.

you gotta fit the shell to the foot. the rest is superfluous. to get the foot into the right shell, sometimes it requires a different liner from stock, and sometimes the stock liner works awesome. nothing wrong with the stock liner here, but i can see some folks having different needs, just like all boots, and wanting to swap.

blanket recommendations that EVERYONE needs a different liner is silly tho.

if i were to own my own boot shop, i would pull every liner out of every shell, and sell each item ala-carte. fit the shell to the foot, then fit the liner, as the buffer, to match the needs of the foot inside the shell, and the particular skiers needs (stiffer flex, more ROM in cuff, more compression, less volume, etc).

[XXX-er]

They don't !!!...the stock liners are well made, designed to work with the boots( flex zones and stiffened tongue) and fit me and many other people very, very well. I tired my vulcans with intuition liners and actually prefer the stock liner. YMMV of course.

However, I do see a tendency among some people( not all ) to discover they NEED intuition liners as it makes them feel that their sensitivity is enhanced over other mere mortals and that they need this modification to allow them to release their full ripper potential. It adds to their self-esteem.

The problem is not that the liners aren't well made, the problem is that a lot of people are sayin they are having problems with the fit of the mercury in the instep, if a boot hurts like hell with the new dynfit liner and becomes a perfect fit with an intuition liner whats going on?

some people (not all) just the people with fit issues would say you are full of shit

and actualy those dynafit liners are going to work in my alpine shells

[Fejau]

The problem is not that the liners aren't well made, the problem is that a lot of people are sayin they are having problems with the fit of the mercury in the instep, if a boot hurts like hell with the new dynfit liner and becomes a perfect fit with an intuition liner whats going on?

some people (not all) just the people with fit issues would say you are full of shit

and actualy those dynafit liners are going to work in my alpine shells

Sorry, yes, I should of clarified. It's pretty much just way too much volume on the instep of the liner.
And a tad bit cold. Again, YMMV. For some lower instep kinda feet maybe it's perfect!

[LeeLau]

However, I do see a tendency among some people( not all ) to discover they NEED intuition liners as it makes them feel that their sensitivity is enhanced over other mere mortals and that they need this modification to allow them to release their full ripper potential. It adds to their self-esteem.

Intuition liners cure cancer, make birds sing louder, make red Corvettes redder. Any suggestion to the contrary is HERESY

Putting a liner in that didn't have the Achilles tendon flex panel would be a mistake (as would a wrap liner IMO) since it's going to restrict range of motion in tour mode.

I had a Luxury liner in the TLT5 vs the TLT5 stock wet condom liner. With the Luxury liner I lost 2cms of glide compared to the wet sock OE liner. That's nothing

[BFD]

I just spent a couple of hours buying boots. I agree to buy new liners for a boot you just spent over $700 for is ridiculous. There are so many boots out there it is easy to find one that fits your foot. I live to tour. In my opinion the boot that is the most comfortable is going to serve you far better than the boot you think is going to have you skiing like a pro.

[Scotsman50]

The problem is not that the liners aren't well made, the problem is that a lot of people are sayin they are having problems with the fit of the mercury in the instep, if a boot hurts like hell with the new dynfit liner and becomes a perfect fit with an intuition liner whats going on?

some people (not all) just the people with fit issues would say you are full of shit

and actualy those dynafit liners are going to work in my alpine shells

Its because you North Americanos feet have become soft and weak from growing up in super cush Nike sneakers and being coddled by your obese parents as they waddled around in their flip-flops. The liner is obviously designed for the European foot that still maintains a high arch and strength from a vigorous and virile lifestyle. You need to suck it up for a few weeks and strengthen your foot you whiny Canuk.

[time2clmb]

Putting a liner in that didn't have the Achilles tendon flex panel would be a mistake (as would a wrap liner IMO) since it's going to restrict range of motion in tour mode

Not a mistake at all. I put wraps in and as far as tour mode goes, I have lost nothing of any significance, but have gained less fuck around factor with seating the tongues which for me was a pain in the ass...also got rid of the pinch point near the top of the boot by the tongue.

[LeeLau]

btw not to be a weight weenie but the Dynafit liner is 340g or so. Intution Pro-tour is 220g

[LeeLau]

Nice review by Louie dawson here http://www.wildsnow.com/8831/dynafit...i-boot-review/

[TheDon]

Anyone have issues with the plastic on the mercury?
My toe after one day looks like shit.

[TheDon]

Seems a lot softer than my titans.
Surprised, it's prob just cosmetic...

[XXX-er]

It its NOT easy to find a boot that fits me thats why I have brand new 10 yr old ski boot liners sityting in a gear closet , I would pay Dynafit more money for a boot with intuition liners and they can keep whatever they put in the mercury, if scarpa can make money selling boots with intuition liners and quickstep fitting whats up with the rest of them??

Its because you North Americanos feet have become soft and weak from growing up in super cush Nike sneakers and being coddled by your obese parents as they waddled around in their flip-flops. The liner is obviously designed for the European foot that still maintains a high arch and strength from a vigorous and virile lifestyle. You need to suck it up for a few weeks and strengthen your foot you whiny Canuk.

I actualy have a hAZN foot (hybrid Asian) you cheap pomme bastard

edit: and I mean that in the nicest way

intuition equiped bots mean more people can have a more comfortable ski boot, I never had ski boots that fit till my 1st intuition liner in 98, also they are lighter and warmer this is not BS it is real

Why don't boot makers spec them (scarpa and dalbello do) but its obvious ...money

[PNWbrit]

I had a Luxury liner in the TLT5 vs the TLT5 stock wet condom liner. With the Luxury liner I lost 2cms of glide compared to the wet sock OE liner. That's nothing

I was thinking more of resistance than stride/glide length.

When the stock liners wear out I'll no doubt put Intuition pro-tours in them.

[marshalolson]

Why don't boot makers spec them (scarpa and dalbello do) but its obvious ...money

most brands spec liners that are comfy on the foot in the shop, trying the boot on.

intuitions are CERTAINLY not that. they are the opposite of that.

[XXX-er]

A proper G-fit liner fitting was even worse because its even more of a shrink to fit, I couldn't stand the Gfit for more than 5 min but the boot fitter said "that is the boot for you Al" , you must trust the bootfitter ...hopefully they are good

[ulty_guy]

Sole in Cham who are notoriously picky about liners are not selling any Mercury or Vulcans with liners.

That said, there's a slight economic rationale on their part as well, but they are pretty stand up dudes and do very honest work.

[PNWbrit]

That said, there's a slight economic rationale on their part as well

No shit.....

[XavierD]

Sole in Cham ... are not selling any Mercury or Vulcans with liners.

That said, there's a slight economic rationale on their part as well,

Ya, they get to sell you a $200 liner on top of an $800-$1000 boot, and then sell YOUR liner to some other schmo for another $100-$150 to pop in his Cochise. "Sir we have this great liner, that tours well and will take up some instep volume for ya..."
Win-win, Are you sure they are not run by the French government?

[ulty_guy]

I'm not naive here at all, but they are the boot fitters to the stars, and generally very good dudes who back up their work 100% which is more than most can say.

[ulty_guy]

Ps I didn't buy mine from them due to lack of availability at time of purchase.