Paging Kidwoo - Woo 2.0

[JeffreyJim]

I wasn't kidding...

[MJbumper1121]

And the result?

I wasn't kidding...

[kidwoo]

Fuck yeah!


Sounds like you're on your way to a 2.0 without having to buy one.

[Winkler]

Wow. Are folks really that unsatisfied with their 1.0s?

[kidwoo]

Wow. Are folks really that unsatisfied with their 1.0s?

I'm not.

I just know what would make them better and hence the 2.0.


If people were really completely dissatisfied I'd think they'd just get rid of them.

[neck beard]

Wow. Are folks really that unsatisfied with their 1.0s?

What you saying about my ski?

[kidwoo]

What you saying about my ski?

Do I need to scan in the cocktail napkins to shut you up?

"ho-test" is something completely different.

[neck beard]

Git it right, bud.

Ho-Ride.

Ho-Ride.

[bobsdesk]

I'm definitely not "completely dissatisfied" with the ski. Now that I've seen the 2.0, do I regret buying the 1.0? Probably.

Hell...how could I even give an opinion of 1.0? I've skied them 6 times all the opposite of what it was designed for.

But let's to the "everyone unloads the ski" math on this:

1. I paid $550. Mounted once on the line with Vertical STs.
2. Current re-sale value of new in the wrapper Woo 1.0 $350 (ish)
3. Current retail price of Woo 2.0 (with stiff flex customization and a code or two) $700-800

If I'm going to unload my 1.0s today, I'm instantly down $200. If I want to replace them with the 2.0 which I imagine is a better version, I'm down $900-1000 (ballpark). That doesn't add up for me.

1.0 are going to be a great ski in the right conditions, so I'll hang onto them and when they're shot in 1-2 years, there will be something out there that is better.

Patience is a virtue, if you're willing to wait!

[JRainey]

What are the right conditions for these? Or I guess I should ask where people aren't liking them, groomers?

I picked up some $350 woo 1.0 and it seems like the beside the square tip grabbiness, they seem like they'll be fine. Are the tails really that hard to break loose?

For sure I think the woo 2.0 looks good, but I wasn't gonna buy any new skis this year, but I couldn't give up an 8.5lb pow ski for so cheap.

I'm interested to ski them and e-compare them to the W00.2, but it won't be until the first of the year.

[JeffreyJim]

Just to be clear I wasn't upset with the performance of the Wootest 1.0 at all. I'm just a tinkerer and not scared to try and make something better.

Truth is, with any ski like this, you aren't using the edge that is in the taper/rocker anyway. So I'm killing it. Totally beveling it to provide the most hook free performance.

The tip shape is being altered slightly...but that's really not that big of a deal. I feel strongly any hookiness has very little to do with the tip shape.

The biggest thing I did was add a bit more tail rocker to keep the ski loose. Its basically done. Time to test!

[auvgeek]

The biggest thing I did was add a bit more tail rocker to keep the ski loose. Its basically done. Time to test!

How'd you do this? Thinking about doing the same to my pair of 1.0.

[JeffreyJim]

Heat gun and patience.

[kidwoo]

And cinder blocks


The 1.0 is the best floating skinny ski I personally have ever been on (even better than the 2.0 from what I can tell so far in total blower). My gripes were almost exclusively at the resort in tracked up snow. It was less of a priority but the reason for 2.0 is that I and a lot of people who skied it think we can come up with something that suffers in neither. That's all. It's not like the 1.0 sucks. It's just that we thought we could do better.

[kidwoo]

What are the right conditions for these? Or I guess I should ask where people aren't liking them, groomers?

I picked up some $350 woo 1.0 and it seems like the beside the square tip grabbiness, they seem like they'll be fine. Are the tails really that hard to break loose?

Just detune the everloving shit out of them. Maybe not with an angle grinder but you know.......pretty detuned.

[JRainey]

10-4.

I'm all for tinkering and making stuff better, I just wanted to get an idea of what i'm working with.

[auvgeek]

The 1.0 is the best floating skinny ski I personally have ever been on (even better than the 2.0 from what I can tell so far in total blower). My gripes were almost exclusively at the resort in tracked up snow. It was less of a priority but the reason for 2.0 is that I and a lot of people who skied it think we can come up with something that suffers in neither. That's all. It's not like the 1.0 sucks. It's just that we thought we could do better.

Really glad to hear this. Don't plan on using them in the resort or on hard snow, so I think they'll be perfect for what I need. And yeah, I'm thinking some heavy textbooks will be perfect. Don't have any cinder blocks laying around.

[JeffreyJim]

Just detune the everloving shit out of them. Maybe not with an angle grinder but you know.......pretty detuned.

DISAGREE!

Kidding, the angle grinder was a bit excessive. I just figured, if I'm messing with the tip shape, why not detune them to a whole different level? Downside? I can't see one...

[xtrmjoe]

It took me many tries to get them detuned enough but now there money. The little bit of hookiness is all but gone and I really only noticed it when the skis were factory sharp in heavier tracked snow. Still much less than my 112RP's in the same conditions. The woos have less sidecut, more weight, and are a little stiffer in the tip.

Angle grinder action is priceless!
It took me a lot of passes with the panzer at a 45 to the edge to round them over to the point of no return.


Kidwoo- Did you mount sollyfits to your 2.0's?

[kidwoo]

Kidwoo- Did you mount sollyfits to your 2.0's?

Of course. There's no mileage like chairlift mileage and at some point I need to do a write up on these things.

[Leisg]

The 1.0 is the best floating skinny ski I personally have ever been on (even better than the 2.0 from what I can tell so far in total blower). My gripes were almost exclusively at the resort in tracked up snow. It was less of a priority but the reason for 2.0 is that I and a lot of people who skied it think we can come up with something that suffers in neither. That's all. It's not like the 1.0 sucks. It's just that we thought we could do better.

I have the 1.0 in 196 stiff and I have to say the float is amazing for a ski of this width and I think the original nose shape is the key. I also really like the stiffness through the ski and I have been checking back through the comments in the original thread and those with the stiff layup (and have done the necessary detuning) seem to be happier with the shape. I do think more tail rocker will add some looseness that is missing at points and I have been trying to add a bit more over the summer by doing the cinder block thing.

I haven't really used them in resort much but the new more bullet nose on the 2.0 should make it better for this, I just hope there is no impact on the float.

I love the 1.0 for the purpose I bought it for but would definitely like to add a 2.0 and the additional versatility I think it will bring.

[auvgeek]

^^Yup. Wishing I would have ordered the stiff. I was on the fence, and now I regret not manning up and going for it.

But I also haven't skied them, so I'm just armchair quarterbacking based on my evolving understanding of what I like in a ski.

[Winkler]

Interesting stuff here. I really like the 1.0s, alot. The changes in 2.0 seem to be taking the design away from the backcountry purebred end of the scale in the pursuit for versatility. And im still not getting the lack of tail rocker talk, I have a 187 protest and woo1.0 side by each and they look pretty much identical, if not more rocker in the woo.

Love the fact that they ski damn near exactly the same as the protest. Suspicious of pushing the taper forward, has the mount moved forward as a result? Just a concerned woo owner.

[kidwoo]

The changes in 2.0 seem to be taking the design away from the backcountry purebred end of the scale in the pursuit for versatility.

Not even. We had a really shitty snow 'pack' last year and there were enough instances of that tip grab in some funky crusty manky stuff that we thought it was worth addressing. I've only skied the 2.0s hiking so far and about the only gripe I've had is some tip drag in some absolute blower. Not 'tahoe blower' some genuinely really dry super low water content stuff that fell here a few weeks ago.....a few feet of it.

And im still not getting the lack of tail rocker talk, I have a 187 protest and woo1.0 side by each and they look pretty much identical, if not more rocker in the woo.

Love the fact that they ski damn near exactly the same as the protest. Suspicious of pushing the taper forward, has the mount moved forward as a result? Just a concerned woo owner.

It's true. The tail rocker is the same or even more than the protest. But it's also got much less surface area and doesn't stay on top of the snow as well as the protest.....hence locks in harder because it's not planing out as easily. That's why I and some other folks are on the more rockered tail idea for the 2.0. As far as pushing the taper forward.....sometimes hard snow happens. On chute entrances, on wind/sun crusted aspects. The 1.0s are fine and get through those conditions but they felt a little weird with all the side cut at and behind your foot......with little to none in front. Long story short, I and a few others were convinced that literally just making a narrower protest would be the shit. The truth is we had to admit that cutting down on all that surface area did affect the ski enough that some tweaks were needed, or some features exaggerated if you will to get the narrower version to do the same things as the protest.

And right now my 2.0s are a cm back from where I ended up on my version 1.0s. So far I think it's good.

[harpo-the-skier]

I picked up my Woo 2.0s, 187cm, medium/soft flex (one notch softer than stock), Concept Tattoo top sheet yestereday. 8lbs, 9oz. Seem plenty stiff enough via hand flex, time will tell. Will be skied with TLT5Ps, Plums.

Only discussion of mounting point here said mount on the line. Any reason to mount elsewhere?