Breaking Bad

[Socialist]

OK. I could be totally misinterpreting, but in the episode where the partner/brother gets whacked (which, if I correctly recall, was the only time we ever met him?), it seems to me there was some direct reference to their relationship. I walked away from that episode presuming everyone knew that was the case. It seemed really obvious to me for some reason. I'd have to watch it again to see where that revelation was and perhaps I'd see something different. Is it bad to watch Breaking Bad on acid?

Possibly it was because of the 'hermanos' thing.

And.... why would Gus keep going to the nursing home to fuck with Hector if there weren't some seriously personal aspect to what had happened?

the personal aspect being that gus was gay for that guy

[oftpiste]

the personal aspect being that gus was gay for that guy

I don't think so. I don't think Gus is gay either. It's too obvious that they want you to think he is, for reasons yet to be determined.

[leroy jenkins]

Yeah, it appears we were definitely off in the woods on that one.

To me it just looked like mike didnt expect jesse to walk forwards, I'm not sure it was intentional but it fits jesses character of not being trained in combat.

i wish the ted thing ended differently. you have to suspend disbelief to buy that result.

say what you will about jesse, that fucker's loyal.

Man shit happens like that in real life sometimes. If its overused yea it gets cheap but once a series is ok in my book. Definitely took me by surprise.

OK. I could be totally misinterpreting, but in the episode where the partner/brother gets whacked (which, if I correctly recall, was the only time we ever met him?), it seems to me there was some direct reference to their relationship. I walked away from that episode presuming everyone knew that was the case. It seemed really obvious to me for some reason. I'd have to watch it again to see where that revelation was and perhaps I'd see something different. Is it bad to watch Breaking Bad on acid?

Possibly it was because of the 'hermanos' thing.

And.... why would Gus keep going to the nursing home to fuck with Hector if there weren't some seriously personal aspect to what had happened?

I just watched this episode a couple days ago since I've been catching up, so its fresh in my mind. The dead hermano said that gus was like a brother to him. It was pretty much spelled out that they were not related by blood. I don't recall anything implying they were gay for each other although that isnt a bad assumption.

I didn't like the Cartel mass poisoning. I find it hard to believe that Gus (and Mike) would go with a plan that has so many variables where so many things could go wrong. And everybody falling over at pretty much the same instant?Jesse's combat calm from his extensive first-person shooter game training? I know if you go for 100% realism in all aspects it's going to end up being a bore, but I expect more from this show.

It was a desperate measure.

[MMP]

it seems to me there was some direct reference to their relationship.

And.... why would Gus keep going to the nursing home to fuck with Hector if there weren't some seriously personal aspect to what had happened?

my recollection is that Gus was the partner's benefactor/father figure, took him out of the slums and sent him to college to become a chemist. Hector basically fucked up a 25 year project that ensured undeniable loyalty to Gus. Dont think like he killed a brother or lover, think more like son/multi-million dollar business investment.

[funkendrenchman]

Why would Gus risk Jesse turning against him by poisoning Brock? Sure, it works out fine if he kills Walt...but he didn't and now Jesse and Walt are against Gus. Something doesn't make sense there.

[Ripzalot]

my recollection is that Gus was the partner's benefactor/father figure, took him out of the slums and sent him to college to become a chemist. Hector basically fucked up a 25 year project that ensured undeniable loyalty to Gus. Dont think like he killed a brother or lover, think more like son/multi-million dollar business investment.

hector made some snide comments towards gus and max at the poolside meeting, insinuating they were gay for each other.

[MMP]

hector made some snide comments towards gus and max at the poolside meeting, insinuating they were gay for each other.

our positions are not mutually exclusive.

last night was awesome. please let walt jr pay for his father's sins. whiny little douche.

[TahoeJ]

And exactly what tipped Gus off about his Volvo being rigged?

I think it was just gut instinct and that I feel like someone is watching me feeling. And knowing his current situation with Walt, he's obviously on edge about that - so this seems plausible.

[Socialist]

I kept expecting Gus to smile and wave at walt.

The whole ricin thing seems forced to me as well. I was ready to believe that Brock had stolen the cigarette, and that Jesse was blaming Walt for making him carry ricin around.

Gus knowing that Jesse had ricin doesn't make much sense - letting jesse get him coffee, inviting him in for dinner, ...

[Jer]

Don't get me wrong - this show is still by far the best drama on TV, but the Cartel mass-assasination and Gus's spidey-sense about car bombs are really starting to ruin it for me. Gus needs to fuck up just once like an actual human being. It's turning into Die Hard Meth.

[Rasputin]

our positions are not mutually exclusive.

Do you think the specificity of Hector's derision was written into the script for no reason?

And exactly what tipped Gus off about his Volvo being rigged?

It probably dawned on him that there might be some ulterior motive to Jesse demanding he come to the hospital, however he didn't necessarily think there was something amiss with his car, he might have been looking out from the garage mulling things over (the thousand yard stare is common among thinkers, perhaps the scene was also there to highlight Walt's paranoia of Gus' pervasive awareness), and then turned back to go question Jesse.

We'll have to wait to find out. The way it is written is masterful, mysteries are created to draw viewers to ruminate on the details and what they might mean. I think the whole story is supposed to be surreal, suggesting the sort of paranoia and detachment from reality that meth tweakers live in the midst of.

[funkendrenchman]

I kept expecting Gus to smile and wave at walt.

The whole ricin thing seems forced to me as well. I was ready to believe that Brock had stolen the cigarette, and that Jesse was blaming Walt for making him carry ricin around.

Gus knowing that Jesse had ricin doesn't make much sense - letting jesse get him coffee, inviting him in for dinner, ...

I wonder if Brock will admit to stealing the cigarette. I wouldn't put it past Walt to use that moment to turn Jesse against Gus. I just can't see Gus poisoning Brock.

[Jer]

I think the whole story is supposed to be surreal, suggesting the sort of paranoia and detachment from reality that meth tweakers live in the midst of.

But nobody on the show is a tweaker.

[Tap]

Ok, just finished Crawl Space and scrolled past all comments to avoid seeing spoilers.

Fucking hell this is good shit. Razor wire tension. Love it!

[bennymac]

my impression was that Gus didn't poison Brock - he seemed to do a 180 when he found out about the poisoning (although I can see how that alone doesn't mean he wasn't involved)

what if Walt poisoned Brock knowing that it would then force Jesse to confront him - which then Walt could use to turn Jesse back to his side (by convincing him that it had to be Gus behind the poisoning)?

what if Gus realised all of this on his walk back to the car and became suspicious that Jesse and Walt were now plotting to kill him?

just brainstormin' here - might be the beer talking

[doughboyshredder]

That would certainly complete Walt's downward spiral in to a complete and total piece of scum, but there's no way that Walt could have gotten the cigarette out of Jesse's pack.

[BCMtnHound]

I couldn't help but think at the end of this last episode, that this one is a bridge to the season finale. Not enough detail to flesh out what actually happened but enough to put us on the edge of our seats. The plot could go so many ways.

[leroy jenkins]

I don't think Walk poisoned brock, I think for all walts sins he is still not someone that hurts kids.

I'm sure theres some explanation. If Gus wanted to poison brock I'm sure he could have done it without taking jesses cigarette. Also, how old is brock? possibly about the age he might want to try smoking cigarettes?

I think gus could of had something to do with it but I also think it could just be a fucked up coincidence.

[Jer]

Also, how old is brock? possibly about the age he might want to try smoking cigarettes?

Exactly. Walt didn't take Jesse's cigarette, Gus or one of his henchmen didn't take Jesses's cigarette, Brock took Jesse's cigarette. This is the first thing I thought and it's what I continue to think. It was a freak accident that will now create mega-tension between everybody involved. Everybody's waaaaay to tense, maaaan.

[Ripzalot]

it wasn't an accident. jesse knows that he had the cigarette that morning and remembers transferring it to his new pack. if brock had smoked it, they would have found him passed out with the cigarette (remember the ricin was in a little vial), surely that would have been mentioned and/or the vial found.

i'm really not sure if it was walt or gus. it doesn't seem that gus had enough intel on the cigarette to know about it. but tyrus had the opportunity to lift it from jesse at the lab. walt knew but when did he lift it? seems like the scene where he was spinning the gun wanted to give a clue that it was walt. VG doesn't do scenes like that without reason.

[Dantheman]

I highly doubt it was Walt. I don't see how he would have had the opportunity. We know Jesse had the cig when he got to the lab. Even if Walt had somehow lifted the cig or made some new ricin, it's not like he could have just showed up to their house while Jesse was at the lab, knocked on the door and said, "Hi, remember me, I'm that creepy beat to shit looking guy Jesse almost kicked the shit out of when I showed up unannounced the other night. Can I give Brock some candy?" No way, wasn't Walt.

I also doubt Brock took the cigarette. Jesse seems pretty certain he had it when he left for the lab. Also, according to wiki inhaled ricin is much more toxic than ingested ricin so he probably would have died already if he had took it and smoked it.

Why would Gus take the risk to do it? He desperately wants to get rid of Walt and he has had great success manipulating Jesse thus far. He may simply have been overconfident and fucked up. As much as he has taken a shine to Jesse it's only because Walt was the alternative. I think he still sees him primarily as a reactionary shithead tweaker who would kill Walt as long as he gave him a reason.

Gus knowing that Jesse had ricin doesn't make much sense - letting jesse get him coffee, inviting him in for dinner, ...

Those two incidents both occurred before Jesse and Walt discussed the ricin in Jesse's house before they brawled. I don't recall them blabbing about it in Jesse's house before that, just whispers at the lab and in the parking lot, but I could be wrong. Either way I always suspected Gus knew of the ricin from at least then on because I would be shocked if Mike had not bugged Jesse's house. It's also possible that Gus had Tyrus lift the cig to make Jesse suspect Walt and had someone else poison Brock while the two were stuck in the lab while the DEA poked around. Someone like Gus could probably get a hold of a little ricin pretty easily.


I'm a little bummed that it looks like we won't be seeing Saul again. He was a great character.

[bennymac]

although I raised the possibility I do find it hard to believe Walt would poison the kid

we do know that Gus has experience in using poison (we don't know where he got the poison from either)

what if Gus had Brock poisoned using something other than the cigarette (and the henchman just swiped the cigarette from the pack while at the lab that day)

could be the booze talking again....this time red wine

[TahoeJ]

The ricin takes a while to kick in (I believe Walt said 24+ hours) so they wouldn't have found him passed out with it.

it wasn't an accident. jesse knows that he had the cigarette that morning and remembers transferring it to his new pack. if brock had smoked it, they would have found him passed out with the cigarette (remember the ricin was in a little vial), surely that would have been mentioned and/or the vial found.

[Jer]

Predictions on who's gonna die tomorrow night?

I say Walt Jr.

[idiot]

I say Jessie's girl's kid, and possibly somebody else. not sure what.