mandatory indefinite quarantine for H1N1 Swine Flu. WTF?

[couloirman]

for real?

http://www2a.cdc.gov

Whats next, pink eye? genital warts? Its the fucking flu, no more, no less. This is a violation of our constitutional rights and no one should stand for it. If I lived there and thought I had the swine flu, I would stay the fuck away from the doctor, and from the camps. But it goes even farther than quarantining the sick, to be able to send it to anyone who "may have had contact with someone with swine flu", ie: this is an excuse for the government to indefinitely jail anyone in their camps who they feel like. Whats to say they wont implement this in every state next?

This is up for voting as we speak it appears for Iowa and other states have said they will adopt it if the virus turns 'deadlier' whatever the hell that means. You can go to the CDC website and search for it yourself.

For the too lazy to click on the link among us:

5/1/2009

BEFORE THE IOWA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH
__________________________________________________ ___________________

DIRECTED TO: ) [insert case #]
)
[insert full name and )
address of subject of order] ) FACILITY QUARANTINE ORDER
__________________________________________________ ___________________

The Iowa Department of Public Health (Department) has determined that you have had contact with a person with Novel Influenza A H1N1. Novel Influenza A H1N1 is a disease which is spread from person to person and is associated fever (greater than 100.0 F), cough, sore throat, rhinorrhea (runny nose), nasal congestion, body aches, headache, chills and fatigue. Novel Influenza A H1N1 presents a risk of serious harm to public health and if it spreads in the community severe public health consequences may result.

The Department has determined that it is necessary to quarantine your movement to a specific facility to prevent further spread of this disease. The Department has determined that quarantine in your home and other less restrictive alternatives are not acceptable because [insert the reason home quarantine is not acceptable, the person violated a previously issued home quarantine order, the person does not have an appropriate home setting conducive to home quarantine, etc.] The Department is therefore ordering you to comply with the following provisions during the entire period of quarantine:

1. Terms of confinement. You are ordered to remain at the quarantine facility,
_____________________ [insert name and address of facility], from ___________ to
____________ [insert dates of quarantine].

2. Requirements during confinement. During the period of quarantine:

a. You must not leave the quarantine facility at any time unless you have
received prior written authorization from the Department to do so.

b. You must not come into contact with anyone except the following persons:

(i) other persons who are also under similar quarantine order at the
quarantine facility;
(ii) authorized healthcare providers and other staff at the quarantine
facility;
(iii) authorized Department staff or other persons acting on behalf of
the Department; and
(iv) such other persons as are authorized by the Department.

c. Your daily needs, including food, shelter, and medical care, will be
provided for you during the period of quarantine at the quarantine facility.
You should bring clothing, toiletries, and other personal items with you to
the quarantine facility. You will have limited access to a telephone at the quarantine facility. You may bring your cell phone with you should you
desire to have greater access to a means of communication.

d. You should inform your employer that you are under quarantine order and
are not authorized to physically come to the work place, although you may
work from the facility via electronic or other means if appropriate. You
should be aware that Iowa law prohibits an employer from firing,
demoting, or otherwise discriminating against an employee due to the
compliance of an employee with a quarantine order issued by the
Department. (Iowa Code section 139A.13A).

3. Information about Novel Influenza A H1N1. You should review the information contained at Attachment A for information about Novel Influenza A H1N1. You should refer to information provided at the quarantine facility to address specific concerns and questions you have about Novel Influenza A H1N1. In order to find out more information about Novel Influenza A H1N1 and its symptoms and spread, you may also access the Department’s web- page at www.idph.state.ia.us. If you do not have access to the internet from the quarantine facility, you may contact the Department at 1-800-362-2736.

4. Legal authority. This order is issued pursuant to the legal authority contained at Iowa Code chapters 135, 139A and 641 Iowa Administrative Code chapter 1, a copy of which is labeled Attachment B and is attached to this order for your review. The Department shall comply with the principles for quarantine contained in subrule 1.9(3) of this attachment when issuing and implementing this order.

5. Ensuring compliance. In order to ensure that you strictly comply with this Quarantine Order the Department or persons authorized by the Department may regularly inspect the quarantine facility.

6. Violations of order. If you fail to comply with this Quarantine Order you may be ordered to be quarantined in a more restrictive facility. In addition, failure to comply with this order is a simple misdemeanor for which you may be arrested, fined, and imprisoned.

7. Your rights B appeal rights. While under quarantine you have the rights as described in subrule 1.9(8) of Attachment B. In addition, you have the right to appeal this order pursuant to subrule 1.9(7) of Attachment B.

[Relentless]

This is a joke, right?!

[couloirman]

a joke that Im making such a big deal about it? or a joke that its real?

It is very real, go to the cdc website for yourself and check it out.

[jce338]

I have swine flu right now. It sucks.

[splat]

It will likely only apply to people who make less than $500K a year.

[summit]

We are from the government and we are here to help!

[Smokey McPole]

Glen Beck was right! This is the path to the FEMA Death Camps!


WAKE UP PEOPLE!

WAKE UP AND FUCKIN' RUN!!!

really - i'm serious

[The Department of Homeland Security]

Citizens will comply for their own safety! Voluntary compliance is encouraged for your convenience! Thank you!

-DHS

[GeezerSteve]

This is a template that Iowa Dept of Health officials have prepared and may use only if things get really bad.

http://www2a.cdc.gov
* * *

This is a violation of our constitutional rights. . . .

This appears to be a matter of Iowa state law. What does the CDC have to do with this?

What constitutional rights would be violated by issuance of such a notice if, indeed, there were an epidemic? The states have broad police powers in the event of an epidemic.

[uglymoney]

Glen Beck was right! This is the path to the FEMA Death Camps!


WAKE UP PEOPLE!

WAKE UP AND FUCKIN' RUN!!!

really - i'm serious

Why would quarantine matter to you? Your life is incommutabilis.

[hutash]

I do believe the government can legally quarantine people, they certainly have in the past. If the H1N1 virus does a 1918 type pandemic quarantine will be the least of our worries.

The potential for this virus to kill millions is there. I am not saying it will; it probably won't but the potential is there. I lost two uncles to the 1918 pandemic (I obviously never knew them), and my dad survived it because it didn't affect babies very seriously. One of these days we are going to have another major pandemic of a really virulent virus, and as much as I hate to admit it, big government like the CDC and WHO are going to be really necessary to keep it semi under control.

[Rasputin]

Where does it say indefinite quarantine? What I saw was a form notification for quarantine with the beginning and end dates left blank, so they could be filled in by the department of health. The dates need to be left blank as they will be different dates for each patient. The fact that there is a space for end date means that it is NOT indefinite, as the end date defines the length of the quarantine. Duh.

Geeze talk about rampant paranoia.

[GeezerSteve]

hutash, you are correct. There is no doubt that the states' police power permits quarantining in an epidemic. This is merely a template, a precaution by the Iowa DOH if things get bad. And they could get bad in a hurry.

If they already have not done so, the whacky right wingnut Fox News fucks will no doubt jump on this as evil big government. Those miserable fucks.

[crackboy]

the crazy thing about this strain from what i hear is that it actually hits healthy people the hardest since tits the immune response that gets you not the actual flu. my bosses' husband had it fierce and she had to get tested. normally i am pretty meh about these "killer flu" strains but this one seems to have some legs to it

[GeezerSteve]

I'm old enough to have possibly developed antibodies when the H1N1 strain was around in the late 1950's. You youngsters are at higher risk than we old goats.

[Smokey McPole]

the crazy thing about this strain from what i hear is that it actually hits healthy people the hardest since tits the immune response that gets you not the actual flu.

It hits healthy tits???

OK- this mutherfuckin' flu has gone too far. This means war!

[LightRanger]

Two-thirds of my mid-20s friends (including me) came back from San Diego over the 4th with Influenza A. Nobody was tested for H1N1 (two of my friends tested positive for Flu A but didn't get the H1N1 work done), but I have a strong suspicion (based on the symptoms, season, etc.) that it was H1N1. I felt pretty shitty for about four days, and then just had some congestion for a couple of weeks. GF was hit for 5-7 days, and had the same congestion. She's a first grade teacher and is very rarely sick--especially in the summer.

Bottom line: As it stands, for most people, it seems just like the normal flu (this statement is not just from my personal experience).

Thankfully, it hasn't gotten more virulent (knock on wood) in the last few months. The CDC forecast numbers are still pretty damn ugly, but I'm pretty sure most of the healthy folks that frequent TGR should be fine.

[Spats]

Anyone else notice that the notice begins "The Iowa DPH has determined that you have had contact with a person with Novel Influenza A H1N1."

Not "you have been tested and you are infected" -- just "we say you've been exposed, and we do not need ANY PROOF of this nor any reason other than our own say-so to incarcerate you."

You're being softened up to accept arbitrary incursions of unconstitutional authority in every facet of your life. Unconstitutional searches and asset seizures in the name of the "War On Drugs", pervasive unconstitutional surveillance and arbitrary denial of the right of free travel in the name of the "War On Terror", and now unconstitutional "quarantine orders" (i.e. incarceration) that don't require any sickness or anything beyond a random government official's say-so -- all designed to get you used to the leash.

Where does it say indefinite quarantine? What I saw was a form notification for quarantine with the beginning and end dates left blank

You just answered your own question.

It's sad and ironic how the Lefties that claim to be anti-authoritarian and pro-freedom cheer on their own slavery -- so long as it's sold to them as "we're from the government and we're here to help."

The problem with the Left is that they believe hugely powerful, autocratic, hierarchical corporations are bad, but hugely powerful, autocratic, hierarchical government is good.
The problem with the Right is that they believe hugely powerful, autocratic, hierarchical corporations are good, but hugely powerful, autocratic, hierarchical government is bad.
In reality, hugely powerful, autocratic, hierarchical organizations always take your freedoms -- no matter what they're called.

[Rasputin]

Spats you are of course the wisest of the wise and can see things that no one else could possibly conceive of. Your ability to perceive the grand plot of the evil government is a revelatory experience and a fresh breeze of enlightenment to the stagnant minds of the government addicted masses. How magnificent is your capacity to winnow away the deceptive coverings of the diabolical machinations that seek to capture the people in thrall! How bright is the fountain of your mind-spring! You cannot be wrong, oh omniscient and prophetic leader from those who conspire the death of liberty! Without you all of us weak-minded conformists would surely march headlong into the meat-grinder of an insidious menace. You are surely the savior, or at least an angel of glory, are you not? Thank goodness we have you to think for us, as we are incapable of comprehending words on a page, let alone the sublime reasoning which is the creation of the wellspring of your infallible mind. Wow, are you even smarterer than everyone who has ever lived, especially those that don't see things that same as you, their loss, and they surely deserve all the worst, as they didn't look to you for guidance. Wow, how significantly everyone else sucks at comprehension of the world's events in comparison to you. You're the tops, you're the tower of Pizza, you're the smile on the Mona Lisa. Thank you for being you. Really, you're that special. Keep on saving us all from our relentless ignorance, oh champion of righteousness, oh upright, bright, and shining one! Wow, you exceed brilliance!

[Dexter Rutecki]

Oh, no!!! To the barricades!!! And bring yer guns and Joe Wilson posters, boys!!

I will not stand for my constitutionally guaranteed right to communicate a potentially deadly disease to others to be infringed. If the Constitution allows me unrestricted access to military weapons and the right to shoot people if I think they should be shot, surely I should be allowed to give people swine flu. Right?

Militia-like paranoia of the first order.

[Dexter Rutecki]

The problem with the Left is that they believe hugely powerful, autocratic, hierarchical corporations are bad, but hugely powerful, autocratic, hierarchical government is good.
The problem with the Right is that they believe hugely powerful, autocratic, hierarchical corporations are good, but hugely powerful, autocratic, hierarchical government is bad.
In reality, hugely powerful, autocratic, hierarchical organizations always take your freedoms -- no matter what they're called.

Seriously, sheeple, wake up and fight for your rights!! Next thing you know the government won't let you drive your car at 90 mph through school zones while enjoying your favorite malted beverage and firing an assault rifle. While texting. THIS WILL NOT STAND!!! Fight for your rights to kill children with guns, Blackberries, alcohol, and automobiles!!

[neck beard]

Just like the word gay, there was once a time when blackberry was a normal everyday word associated with pleasant things.

[couloirman]

another problem with this:

If you are being quarantined with other people who have H1N1/ have just had contact with someone who has H1N1, how can you ever be let out if they are continuously having more contact with other people who have H1N1? Obviously at some point flu season will end but thats a long fucking time to be jailed against your will

[advres]

Has anyone BEEN INDEFINITELY QUARANTINED? Nope, not one. You fucking guys are really grasping at straws looking for anything to get your panties in a twist.

One of these days we are going to have another major pandemic of a really virulent virus...

For the love of god, I hope this happens soon... We need to thin the heard a little.

[couloirman]

Has anyone BEEN INDEFINITELY QUARANTINED? Nope, not one. You fucking guys are really grasping at straws looking for anything to get your panties in a twist.



For the love of god, I hope this happens soon... We need to thin the heard a little.

no one ever said its happened yet, thats not the point, the point is there is legislation on the table pushing for it right now, and they are preparing for it to happen.