No longer a surprise - I'm a transsexual maggot

[bklyn]

Oh sure, but when it comes to what one consenting adult does sexually, then you get a little weirded out?

j/k

That arena is truly none of my business!

[13]

Damn, I'm glad I don't have the issue of gender identity to deal with. I don't envy anybody that does.

Best of luck. Not that it was any of our business to begin with.

[leroy jenkins]

Well said Splat.

Like Leroy, I also think this may come down to societal ideas about gender, but guess what I don't really care. I may not understand this person's desires, but it's their desire and I'm cool with that. It has to be a pretty strong desire to want endure the shit that will inevitably follow. Pardon the unintentional pun here, but it really takes some balls to admit this and talk about it, under the guise of an alias or not. Especially to people in this person's real non-TGR life. So rock on and good luck with everything.

I also know who the person is and have wished them well in dealing with this.
Civil discussions about touchy subjects should be an acceptable part of being a human being. I do not feel that the person in question has been anything but civil and never tried to jam any opinions down anyone's throat. I think for the most part we've all been pretty good about respecting this and doing the same. Accepting and agreeing are two very different things.

Sure the original post may be a bit self serving and honestly why should any of us care? Guess what, so are 90% of the other posts on this site (especially padded room). When it comes down to it, do I really care that Blurred saw something funny on a poker forum or that Montanskier has a thing for Robin Meade? Nope, but they were both entertaining reads. This thread has led to some interesting discussions and has hopefully show the OP that this is something they can work through and that ultimately most people will be accepting of their choices.

Lets all just live our lives and let others live their lives too, the world will be a better place. This does not mean one has to give up their opinions.

I don't give a fuck, but why don't you care, I mean, the person is your friend right?

If I had a good friend that was going through any huge life changing identity crisis, I would care about them, and would want to express my concerns. If I thought there was a chance they were doing it for the wrong reasons, I wouldn't feel right keeping that to myself.

I'm just bored and arguing on the internet because I'm too gimped to go do fun stuff. As soon as obvious posted this here, it gave me the right to say whatever the fuck I want.

Gender identity change is certainly nothing new... personally I don't have a stake in this issue or what two (or more! lol) consenting adults decide to do sexually. Some of the things these people are going through, I don't understand nor can I relate to. I don't see their changes as a threat to who I am or my way of life. I think it's much healthier for all of us to be able to express who we truly are rather than trying to fit into an ideal of 'normal' that all of us would find confining in one way or another.

Leroy, (man, you sure did ruin a great joke choosing that as your username) the ability to bear children is not the be-all end-all definition of femininity. Many women will never bear children and your narrow definition would exclude every pre-pubescent girl. I am always surprised at the unsettling effect people with non-traditional views on sex and gender have on others. What about them makes people so uncomfortable?

This came up last week and it's interesting to see a woman enlist in the civil war and continue to live her whole life afterward as a man. That must have been a lonely road to travel at that time.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=104452266

Why does my lack of understanding simply have to stem from me being uncomfortable? Seems like that's a lack of understanding on your part. You know, people can have different opinions, its ok.

Do we have to accept pedophiles for who they really are? What if they will never touch a kid, and its just fantasies in their own mind, and doesn't affect anyone else? If they're able to keep it under control, frankly, I don't care, but if I knew a friend of mine has such thoughts, I wouldn't accept that it was just who they really were. As a friend that cared about them, I would call them on it, and suggest that they get help.

Not to compare obvious to a pedo, as I know his choice won't tempt him to hurt anyone else, the apology isn't perfect, but still, I don't have to believe that this is natural, even thought is PC to accept everyone for everything.

[Meathelmet]

[Tippster]

Pedophilia has a victim. Try again.

^^^^That's awesome.

[bklyn]

Why does my lack of understanding simply have to stem from me being uncomfortable? Seems like that's a lack of understanding on your part. You know, people can have different opinions, its ok.

I should have made that a separate paragraph as that part wasn't directed at you personally. You can have a different opinion, of course.

Do we have to accept pedophiles for who they really are?... yada yada

IMO, no that's where the consenting adults part of my quote comes in. It's strange how comparisons to pedophilia always come up in these debates. Aren't most pedos "straight" males?

[grrrr]

I'm just bored and arguing on the internet because I'm too gimped to go do fun stuff. As soon as obvious posted this here, it gave me the right to say whatever the fuck I want.

You right. You can say whatever you want. It's only you that comes out looking like a total ass.

Not to compare obvious to a pedo, as I know his choice won't tempt him to hurt anyone else, the apology isn't perfect, but still, I don't have to believe that this is natural, even thought is PC to accept everyone for everything.

Funny, I must have missed the apology.

[Blurred]

Leroy has struck a chord with the emo-dopes.

This just in. If you wack your junk off and become a woman, you're still the same toolbag with mad mental problems in an altered body.

But yeah, acceptance.......


Hey, I was thinking if you guys saw a dog humping a chick, and she just bent over and took Rovers bone....you'd be okay with that, right?

Or what if your Brother and Sister decided to have sex on a regular basis? With your sick thinking, they're not harming anyone, so it's cool?

Sure some brain dead zombie dopes 'round here.

[gh444]

Leroy has struck a chord with the emo-dopes.

This just in. If you wack your junk off and become a woman, you're still the same toolbag with mad mental problems in an altered body.

But yeah, acceptance.......

Threatened huh?

[Blurred]

Threatened huh?

Buttfuckin', tell me you didn't chop your junk off......

You gonna put it on gear swap and scam someone?

[leroy jenkins]

Pedophilia has a victim. Try again.

^^^^That's awesome.

I should have made that a separate paragraph as that part wasn't directed at you personally. You can have a different opinion, of course.

IMO, no that's where the consenting adults part of my quote comes in. It's strange how comparisons to pedophilia always come up in these debates. Aren't most pedos "straight" males?

Pedophilia has no victim unless the person acts on their impulses. However, it is still a symptom of some very serious mental and/or emotional problems, and should be addressed as such.

You right. You can say whatever you want. It's only you that comes out looking like a total ass.

Funny, I must have missed the apology.

Sorry ANALOGY, and I don't really care if I look like an ass to you, aren't you supposed to accept me for who I am? Aren't I a good person, don't you LOVE ME?

[Blurred]

Pedophilia has no victim unless the person acts on their impulses. However, it is still a symptom of some very serious mental and/or emotional problems, and should be addressed as such.

I think Tippster meant he's a victim of his own thoughts even if he hasn't acted on them.

The rest of your post is too intelligent for this PC brainwashed crowd.

[dumpy]

I don't give a fuck, but why don't you care, I mean, the person is your friend right?

Nope, never even talked to them on the interwebs until today, when they PMed me (and I'm assuming many others) thanking us for the support.

If I had a good friend that was going through any huge life changing identity crisis, I would care about them, and would want to express my concerns. If I thought there was a chance they were doing it for the wrong reasons, I wouldn't feel right keeping that to myself.

Fuck yeah, I think everyone should do that for their friends, but with a friend, you know the person and their situation better. It's more personal, you can give actual advice, not just your opinion on a subject.

Why does my lack of understanding simply have to stem from me being uncomfortable? Seems like that's a lack of understanding on your part. You know, people can have different opinions, its ok.

Dude that's what I was trying to say, basically in regards to both the OP and you. really in defense of the two of you. As long as you don't forcefully hold it against someone for having a different opinion and accept that people have different opinions. There is a fine line between voicing an opinion and being an asshole. I haven't read all of your posts in this thread, but from what I did read, I think you have stayed pretty well on the right side of that line. I don't think the OP said we all had to agree with his/her choice, they just wanted to know what we thought.

Honestly I don't understand it one bit either, but if it makes them happy and doesn't hurt anyone else, rock the fuck on, not really something I'm going to bother trying to figure out the logic of at this point in my life. Maybe when it's a friend of mine I will try.

I don't have to believe that this is natural, even thought is PC to accept everyone for everything.

True dat. Everyone is entitled to believe what they believe. It's when people force you to believe their opinion that it becomes a problem.

The two groups that drive me the craziest are the religious right and the uber PC left. Not because of what they believe, my personal beliefs overlap both groups, but rather how they believe. That is, the thought that my way is the only way, I'm right, everyone else is wrong, conform to what I say. A real lack of open mindedness.

[divegirl]

I just want to jump in here and say welcome, obvious. No matter who you are, it must be a relief to finally "tell the world" (and I understand your testing the waters situation here) and be able to know that some of us will actually accept you for who you are/who you feel you are. Comparing you to a pedophile is blasphemous.

Some people will never understand that others are different from who they are or what they think everyone should subscribe to as normal. I know some of my own thoughts and feelings about the way the world works are far from what society thinks of as normal. But, I've accepted this and it sounds like obvious has as well. Of course there are lines that should not be crossed but this is definitely not one of them. Obvious is not influencing children in any way so that comparison is invalid.

Regardless, welcome. I hope if we run into you on the hill we will have a chance to make some turns.

[Blurred]

I just want to jump in here and say welcome, obvious. No matter who you are, it must be a relief to finally "tell the world" (and I understand your testing the waters situation here) and be able to know that some of us will actually accept you for who you are/who you feel you are. Comparing you to a pedophile is blasphemous.

Some people will never understand that others are different from who they are or what they think everyone should subscribe to as normal. I know some of my own thoughts and feelings about the way the world works are far from what society thinks of as normal. But, I've accepted this and it sounds like obvious has as well. Of course there are lines that should not be crossed but this is definitely not one of them. Obvious is not influencing children in any way so that comparison is invalid.

Regardless, welcome. I hope if we run into you on the hill we will have a chance to make some turns.

You know this is a troll, right?

Thanks for your time though.

[leroy jenkins]

I think Tippster meant he's a victim of his own thoughts even if he hasn't acted on them.

Oh, I got it now, I understand.

Then tip, you should understand that if obvious is indeed confused, and doing this for the wrong reasons, they will be the one that ultimately goes through life lying to themselves.


I once had a good friend that thought he was gay. He told me so. I told him I didn't believe him. He had previously told me that he had been molested when he was a kid, and I could clearly see that he was very confused. One week he was straight, the next he was gay, the next he was bi. I could tell he was confused about about a bunch of other stuff as well. I voiced my concern, and told him that no matter what, I accepted him as a person, and that I believed there was a chance he really was gay, but that I didn't believe he really knew for sure, and that I didn't accept him coming out of the closet to me right then as the real truth. He admitted that he really didn't
really know, and expressed some frustration with his confusion, and I still accepted him as a person.

Or should I have just accepted his confusion and bullshit because that's what you're supposed to do when someone comes out of the closet, even if its clear to you that is not true? I would have felt that was letting my friend down.

Not saying I know anything in obvious' specific case, but from what I see in general about this kind of thing, its the result of confusion about societal norms and the standard roles the sexes are "supposed" to play. Regardless, if I knew obvious, I'd still accept them as a person.


See, bleeding heart wishy washy liberal fucktards, that's what acceptance really is, accepting them as a person, and respecting, not necessarily accepting all their choices. Just like tip and brkyln cannot accept anyone with a viewpoint thats different from their own, that isn't really acceptance. Its just feel good, 'lets pat ourselves on the back for being so progressive and openminded' mental masturbation.

[Blurred]

Wtf? I've got a boner. Is that right??

I had to consult with Freud. That means you really need to cut your penis off and drill yourself a vag.

[yogachik]

You know this is a troll, right?

Not a troll.

[irul&ublo]

CHICKS WITH DICKS!!!!!!

[Benny Profane]

[iceman]

DICKS WITH CHICKS !!!!!!

You're married (right?) and Brett has Mir and I have a wife (who will remain nameless here if i can help it). So we have a lot more dicks with chicks than vice-versa.

[Viva]

^^^So, you're saying there won't be any "Icewoman skies in jeans" tags? Assuming we ever have tags again.

[Blurred]

Not a troll.

Did you go with length or girth?

[Jer]

[neck beard]

Pedophilia has no victim unless the person acts on their impulses.

umm. what?

Hey, I was thinking if you guys saw a dog humping a chick, and she just bent over and took Rovers bone....you'd be okay with that, right?

Old Mother Hubbard
Went to the cupboard
to fetch her poor dog a bone.
When she bent over
Rover took over,
And gave her a bone of his own.