Obama's lead evaporated, McCain beating both

[AlpineJunkie]

Well well well, how about that, turns out I was right afterall. Any of you douches still want to argue that this isn't the beginning of the end for Obama.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080319/...litics_poll_dc

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama's big national lead over Hillary Clinton has all but evaporated in the U.S. presidential race, and both Democrats trail Republican John McCain, according a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

The poll showed Obama had only a statistically insignificant lead of 47 percent to 44 percent over Clinton, down sharply from a 14 point edge he held over her in February when he was riding the tide of 10 straight victories.

Illinois Sen. Obama, who would be America's first black president, has been buffeted by attacks in recent weeks from New York Sen. Clinton over his fitness to serve as commander-in-chief and by a tempest over racially charged sermons given by his Chicago preacher.

The poll showed Arizona Sen. McCain, who has clinched the Republican presidential nomination, is benefiting from the lengthy campaign battle between Obama and Clinton, who are now battling to win Pennsylvania on April 22.

McCain leads 46 percent to 40 percent in a hypothetical matchup against Obama in the November presidential election, according to the poll.

That is a sharp turnaround from the Reuters/Zogby poll from last month, which showed in a head-to-head matchup that Obama would beat McCain 47 percent to 40 percent.

"The last couple of weeks have taken a toll on Obama and in a general election match-up, on both Democrats," said pollster John Zogby.

Matched up against Clinton, McCain leads 48 percent to 40 percent, narrower than his 50 to 38 percent advantage over her in February.

"It's not surprising to me that McCain's on top because there is disarray and confusion on the Democratic side," Zogby said

Obama gave a speech on Tuesday rebuking his pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, for sermons sometimes laced with inflammatory tirades but said he could not disown him and it was time for Americans to bind the country's racial wounds.

The poll showed Obama continues to have strong support from the African-American community but that he is experiencing some slippage among moderates and independents.

Among independents, McCain led for the first time in the poll, 46 percent to 36 percent over Obama.

He was behind McCain by 21 percent among white voters.

Zogby attributed this to a combination of the fallout from Clinton's victory in Ohio earlier this month and the controversy over Wright's sermons.

"And, just the closer he gets to the nomination, the tougher questions whites ask about an African-American candidate," Zogby said.

The March 13-14 poll surveyed 525 likely Democratic primary voters for the matchup between Clinton and Obama. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.4 percentage points.

For the matchup between McCain and his Democratic rivals, 1004 likely voters were surveyed. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.

[newschoolerz]

I forgot McCain is even in this race. NOt that it matters, Baracks gonna mop the floor with him come November.

[Tippster]

Zogby also called the last election for Kerry ON ELECTION NIGHT.

Long way to go, folks - it's only March.

[AlpineJunkie]

I forgot McCain is even in this race. NOt that it matters, Baracks gonna mop the floor with him come November.

Zogby is the most respected pollster out there. He has historically been proven to be very very accurate. I've been following polling very closely for a long time and out of all the crap polling out there there are only 3 worth paying attention to, Zogby, Rasmussen, and Gallup (Reuters usually just teams up with one of the three). Out of those three Zogby is the best. Say whay you will, but a 14 point difference in 2 weeks in both the primary and general is a little more then an insignificant event. That's a freefall. This is what happens when you nominate someone nobody knows anything about. They find about him.

[AlpineJunkie]

Zogby also called the last election for Kerry ON ELECTION NIGHT.

They all make mistakes, even the best of them. And a 60,000 vote difference amongst 200 million is not exactly a big mistake.

Long way to go, folks - it's only March.

Yeah.... it can get much worse

[Tippster]

Yep - once we the media keep replaying how Bush had to help McCain up the White House steps, and - more importantly - start mentioning the Keating 5 and S&L bailouts when we start bailing out the Investment banks the worm will def. turn for the worse.

[The AD]

"It's not surprising to me that McCain's on top because there is disarray and confusion on the Democratic side," Zogby said.

This is the key. McCain is more or less able to sit back and relax a little right now, but the Dems still need to fight for the nomination. After that's settled we'll see what happens. Maybe McCain will still have the lead, I don't know, but I do know the poll results right now don't matter much.

[newschoolerz]

freefall or not, people want change and the man to do it is Barack. Just check out his speech yesterday, I didn't see McCain doing anything like that, evar!

It's a long way off and the more people hear politics as usual, they will be more inclined to vote for Barack. Change is demanded!

[AlpineJunkie]

Yep - once we the media keep replaying how Bush had to help McCain up the White House steps, and - more importantly - start mentioning the Keating 5 and S&L bailouts when we start bailing out the Investment banks the worm will def. turn for the worse.

Old old old news, several decades old that nobody cares about anymore. Especially with McCain proven that he has done more to keep money out of politics then all the rest of politicians combined. That stuff won't even make 1 news cycle at any point it is so old and already done. As for S&L bailouts I guess you're right, it would have been much better seeing millions of Americans loose their money and jobs and houses all for the sake of some rich execs getting what they deserve

[AlpineJunkie]

freefall or not, people want change and the man to do it is Barack. Just check out his speech yesterday, I didn't see McCain doing anything like that, evar!

While Obama was busy talking about the 1960's, McCain was busy meeting with world leaders overseas getting ready for his first term in office.

[newschoolerz]

do you think the subprime fallout will affect McCain?

[AlpineJunkie]

do you think the subprime fallout will affect McCain?

That shit will affect everyone. That's why even though I know McCain will handedly win this Nov there is a very good chance that he will only be a 1 termer since everything will be such a fucking mess for 4 years. The next guy is going to have a mess on his hands.

[AsheanMT]

Stop supporting our bullshit two party system!!!

Vote Nader!

[newschoolerz]

I guess I can see that... Sucks though, how long do you think it will take us to get through this shit? My Dad is talking like this is Jimmy Carter all over again...

[AlpineJunkie]

I guess I can see that... Sucks though, how long do you think it will take us to get through this shit? My Dad is talking like this is Jimmy Carter all over again...

Recissions usually take 2 to 3 years to work through and then another 2 years to know that it has been worked through but there seems to be a perfect storm arising so I wouldn't be surprised if everything is on the high end. Either way it won't be good news for 2012.

[newschoolerz]

right in time for another election....

[Mathematics]

While Obama was busy talking about the 1960's, McCain was busy meeting with world leaders overseas getting ready for his first term in office.

You mean Obama was busy addressing racial issues that have been brought up within the last couple weeks of his campaign and then went on to speak about current racial resentment on all sides, and his vision of a more united America? While McCain was overseas telling the world about Al Qaeda being supported by Iran, even though all US & foreign intelligence points to that not being the case?

You should get off McCains dick every now and then and take a breather. You're going to be worn out come November.

[newschoolerz]

Interesting points AJ and Math bring up. What's more important right now? Foreign policy or deep rooted social problems here at home? Chicken or egg?

[AlpineJunkie]

You should get off McCains dick every now and then and take a breather. You're going to be worn out come November.

Interesting you bring up political supporters becoming worn out. I believe McCain's campaign is held up in some luxury hotel where they will be until June taking naps and watching movies

[newschoolerz]

I just hope this nonsense between HIllary and Barack doesn't last much longer. She will have to back out sooner or later. It's gonna hurt their chances come November if the dems can't get this shit straightened out. I know Barack's made of $$$ but it will take alot out of him if this keeps up. He needs that mojo to take down McCain yo.

[Tippster]

McCain will be a one term POTUS because he'll likely die in office. That dude is frail, and that office beats down much younger men. $20 says his cancer returns within 2 years if he wins.

You guys better pick a good Plan B (VP.)

[Danno]

Stop supporting our bullshit two party system!!!

Vote Nader!

I will gladly stop supporting our bullshit two party system once I am presented with a third party candidate worthy of being president. It ain't Nader, that's for damn sure, he'd be positively awful.

[newschoolerz]

Obama - Bloomberg ticket? That could work to satisfy all sides I think?!?

[jon turner]

A survey with a sample size of 525 and 1004 can't even be close to representative of a population of 300 million. I can see a claim of Obama slipping, but making generalizations about the November election from that survey is ridiculous.

[AlpineJunkie]

A survey with a sample size of 525 and 1004 can't even be close to representative of a population of 300 million. I can see a claim of Obama slipping, but making generalizations about the November election from that survey is ridiculous.

Yes these guys with PhD's in statistics have no idea what they are doing I hate to break it to you but everytime these polls come out that doesn't mean that they called 300 million people the night before