Ditch the V8-it's about time.

**Trackhead** · 02-13-2008, 05:48 PM

**bio-smear** · 02-13-2008, 05:59 PM

It puzzles me why the manufacturers continue to go bigger and faster at this time in history. The new Tundra is the flagship for that backward market trend. People will continue to buy big cars and pay a lot for fuel until it's regulated. Sad but true.

**Steven S. Dallas** · 02-13-2008, 06:04 PM

I applaud this trend and the linking of this article, if only because it's been a while since Danimal has posted an idiotic rant about something, and this seems like prime bait for that sort of thing.

Hugh Conway · 02-13-2008, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by bio-smear

People will continue to buy big cars and pay a lot for fuel until it's regulated. Sad but true.

Why regulate? Just tax the shit out of gasoline. We need some source of revenue to pay for the bills coming due.

After seeing the guy who had his V8 Chevy idling so he could watch a DVD in the area parking when I went skinning still had it idling 1.5hrs later last night, I'm all for making stupidity pay.

**Obstruction** · 02-13-2008, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

Why regulate? Just tax the shit out of gasoline. We need some source of revenue to pay for the bills coming due.

Too fucking right! Better we collect the money for domestic use than we continue paying a huge fucking tax to OPEC.

**Blurred** · 02-13-2008, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Trackhead

Time for change, finally.

You know that's not the answer, alternative energy is. FUCK THEM.

Originally Posted by cj001f

Why regulate? Just tax the shit out of gasoline. We need some source of revenue to pay for the bills coming due.

They already do tax the shit out of it.

The answer is forcing auto makers to build sensible alternative energy cars, specifically electric cars, and quit killing us at the pump.

Hugh Conway · 02-13-2008, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

They already do tax the shit out of it.

I paid $6.50 a gallon last week in Switzerland.

**BigKuba** · 02-13-2008, 06:19 PM

I thought this thread was about vegetable juice. Weak.

I agree, but at the same time I did just buy a car that gets ~21mpg on fancy gas...

**pointedem** · 02-13-2008, 06:23 PM

time for the exxon p/l sheet #'s.

if exxon made whatever in 07 in profit, how much revenue did uncle sam collect in tax?

**Trackhead** · 02-13-2008, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

You know that's not the answer, alternative energy is. FUCK THEM.

The answer is forcing auto makers to build sensible alternative energy cars, specifically electric cars, and quit killing us at the pump.

Atleast it's a start to wean foreign oil needs. I'm tired of America being a bitch to the likes of the Mid East and others.

Lexus is utilizing alternative energy in hybrids, but still making them with 400hp and shit mileage considering.

**corn dog** · 02-13-2008, 06:27 PM

So if automakers aren't allowed to make new big ass V8 SUVs, the old ones will get more valuable?

**Steven S. Dallas** · 02-13-2008, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Trackhead

Lexus is utilizing alternative energy in hybrids, but still making them with 400hp and shit mileage considering.

I read a review of that big Lexus LS sedan and apparently it gets worse mileage than the non-hybrid version while costing $20K more. But hey, it has the little "h" on the back, so it's totally worth it here in eco-conscious LA.

**Trackhead** · 02-13-2008, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas

I read a review of that big Lexus sedan and apparently it gets worse mileage than the non-hybrid version while costing $20K more. But hey, it has the little "h" on the back, so it's totally worth it here in eco-conscious LA.

Exactly, how about this.

Toyota's next hybrid is a 4.5-liter V-8 and electric motor combo calibrated to deliver V-12-like performance ........

What's the fucking point of a hybrid V8?

**Steven S. Dallas** · 02-13-2008, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Trackhead

Exactly, how about this.

Toyota's next hybrid is a 4.5-liter V-8 and electric motor combo calibrated to deliver V-12-like performance ........

Yeah, that's the engine I was referring to. Doesn't work, at least, doesn't work in the sense of being any better for the environment than the engine it replaces. The LS400h is pretty hot looking, though, if you want a big fancy car.

**Blurred** · 02-13-2008, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

I paid $6.50 a gallon last week in Switzerland.

That's great, but not only has gasoline been expensive over there for a VERY long time, you don't need a car over there, and public transportation is convenient.

The USA is fucking massive, and outside of a few cities, we don't have sensible public transportation. It's an apples and oranges discussion. Making big oil rich is NOT THE ANSWER, alternative energy IS. Period.

**bio-smear** · 02-13-2008, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

Why regulate? Just tax the shit out of gasoline.

While it does seem a good source of revenue to punish the buffoons who think they need a huge engine for hauling kids and groceries, I think there's a higher purpose in reducing oil usage on the whole. Taxation will only generate revenue, it won't reduce the consumption and emissions.

I've got an '03 Tundra parked out front, but I don't commute. I still feel guilty for using a 4.7L engine to haul skis, bikes, and gear. Until technology ups fuel economy standards though, the difference between 4.7L and 3.6L is neglible.

**rideit** · 02-13-2008, 06:57 PM

A true Hybrid V8.....

would be a bloody mary.

that's all I got.

**Cliff Huckable** · 02-13-2008, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

Why regulate? Just tax the shit out of gasoline. We need some source of revenue to pay for the bills coming due.

After seeing the guy who had his V8 Chevy idling so he could watch a DVD in the area parking when I went skinning still had it idling 1.5hrs later last night, I'm all for making stupidity pay.

Pulling a Hummer behind a huge RV...

**Blurred** · 02-13-2008, 07:19 PM

This dude's a BALLER.

I usually leave the Hummer running so the air conditioning in it is nice and cold when we finally use it.

**Trackhead** · 02-13-2008, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

This dude's a BALLER.

This would be a good setup for you this winter B11. Full accomodations. But you'll need another trailer to haul your sled. Perhaps a roof mounted crane on the motorhome to store it on top. Oh, and a big refrigerator for the necessary chilled items.

Sack up next time you take a winter off.

**Adolf Allerbush** · 02-13-2008, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

That's great, but not only has gasoline been expensive over there for a VERY long time, you don't need a car over there, and public transportation is convenient.

The USA is fucking massive, and outside of a few cities, we don't have sensible public transportation. It's an apples and oranges discussion. Making big oil rich is NOT THE ANSWER, alternative energy IS. Period.

I gots to agree. The US is totally different than Europe. Some localized high speed rail between major metro areas would do wonders for those medium trips where it makes more sense to drive...at least IMO. In the end though American's love their cars...it's just too inexpensive to drive still.

**uglymoney** · 02-13-2008, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Trackhead

Exactly, how about this.

Toyota's next hybrid is a 4.5-liter V-8 and electric motor combo calibrated to deliver V-12-like performance ........

What's the fucking point of a hybrid V8?

I agree. No sales, low sales I would predict for a model like that. I'm not the kind of a person that buys into having batteries in anything other than pure city type of cars. A good example of stretching the hybrid concept too far was the v-6 hybrid Honda Accord that was dropped. Good driving performance but there was no real market for a car that only gets about the same mileage as the same car with a smaller engine and a little less horsepower.

Worst hybrid ever is the Ford Escape hybrid with its 1000lb tow rating and marginal mileage. Toyota Hylander is on the other end of the spectrum, seems pretty capable, gets decent mileage, not trying to be a performance hybrid and can still tow a decent trailer - but I still don't find the concept appealing.

It'll be fun to see what sells, and what doesn't.

**bio-smear** · 02-13-2008, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

In the end though American's love their cars...it's just too inexpensive to drive still.

Totally. The auto manufacturers have molded us into a society of drivers-- it's ingrained in our culture, we're independent and unwilling to ride the rails with the rest of the cattle. Isn't that why passenger rail fell out of favor in this country?

I kind of contradicted myself above, saying that taxation isn't the answer, because if our goal is to reduce driving, that will achieve it. Do you think the auto lobby will let those taxes happen though? No way. A solution that requires consumers to use those products less and possibly stop buying is never going to happen. The auto workers union constituency is already a very loud group. The only way they can remain in this industry is to start providing products that consume less resources.

I want a rad mountain train that loads in Beaverton and stops at Government Camp and Meadows, and is outfitted like the Darjeeling Limited, with hot hindi babes smoking and serving sweetlime.

**Blurred** · 02-13-2008, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Trackhead

This would be a good setup for you this winter B11. Full accomodations. But you'll need another trailer to haul your sled. Perhaps a roof mounted crane on the motorhome to store it on top. Oh, and a big refrigerator for the necessary chilled items.

Sack up next time you take a winter off.

I'm really digging the crane idea. I'll be passing around a collection plate here soon.

**Trackhead** · 02-13-2008, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

I'm really digging the crane idea. I'll be passing around a collection plate here soon.

The crane could also haul your carcass into the slide out bed on the diesel pusher when perhaps you drank too much one night. You know, just in case you pass out trying to climb in the rig.