Copying cd's

**Fear Of A Flat Planet** · 12-30-2007, 06:17 PM

Careful. Apparently it's now illegal to rip a cd you legally purchased onto your computer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...122800693.html

**fez** · 12-30-2007, 07:06 PM

thank god i just download them all off bittorrent.

**huckbucket** · 12-30-2007, 07:47 PM

Ironic that the chick who got slapped in the article was tagged for downloading a song called "bills, bills, bills"

**Hutch** · 12-30-2007, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by huckbucket

Ironic that the chick who got slapped in the article was tagged for downloading a song called "bills, bills, bills"

How is that ironic?

**edg** · 12-30-2007, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Hutch

How is that ironic?

She got a free ride, but she'd already paid.

edg

**nutcase** · 12-30-2007, 09:43 PM

this is just the last step in a series of bad decisions the record companies have made. This might possibly be the most significant though - if they are going to sue me for buying a cd and copy it onto my ipod then I sure as hell aint going to buy anymore cd's from those fuckers - most of the artists on the major lables suck ass anyways

YourSupremeExcellency · 12-30-2007, 10:02 PM

Just use a proxy server and you can download all the stuff you want with nothing to worry about. Although there are slow free ones the absolute best high speed proxy servers are at www.findnot.com

**iceman** · 12-30-2007, 10:16 PM

The music industry is history.

However, there's still big giant silly money to be made in music, we just need to figure out the model.

Anybody else thinking about this?

**char** · 12-30-2007, 10:17 PM

So what record labels does the RIAA represent?

I guess I was okay with them going after people for downloading music they weren't paying for, but going after people for putting music on their computer and by extension the various MP3 players is just over the line for me. I think it is silly because they are just failing to capitalize on the obvious technology, but I see how it is stealing.

I actually usually pay for my music, and I'll be boycotting the RIAA and the record companies it represents from now on.

**Lonnie** · 12-31-2007, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Fear Of A Flat Planet

Careful. Apparently it's now illegal to rip a cd you legally purchased onto your computer.

But lawyers for consumers point to a series of court rulings over the last few decades that found no violation of copyright law in the use of VCRs and other devices to time-shift TV programs; that is, to make personal copies for the purpose of making portable a legally obtained recording.

That's a pretty low hurdle to jump over. I never got sued when I copied a CD to cassette tape to listen in my walkman. The RIAA can go to hell.

I've got a 500 GB portable HD with lots of tunes on it (a back up of the ones on my fixed HD). If I wanted to take it to somebody's house and dump it all, how would they ever know?

**focus** · 12-31-2007, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by YourSupremeExcellency

Just use a proxy server and you can download all the stuff you want with nothing to worry about. Although there are slow free ones the absolute best high speed proxy servers are at www.findnot.com

That'll slow 'em down, and probably make you a bigger pain in the ass than you're worth, but it's pretty naive to think using some proxy server will make you an untraceable 3l33+ hAckERZ.

Originally Posted by iceman

The music industry is history.

However, there's still big giant silly money to be made in music, we just need to figure out the model.

Anybody else thinking about this?

Yeah, I haven't figured it out, though. The answer would seem to lie in digital delivery, but the RIAA (and MPAA) hasn't relaxed enough to really explore their options there. Ultimately, though, I kind of think the music industry's free ride, where they could effectively control their media once it was released, is over.

Madonna's recent deal w/ livenation is interesting....

**Tuckerman** · 12-31-2007, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by iceman

The music industry is history.

However, there's still big giant silly money to be made in music, we just need to figure out the model.

Anybody else thinking about this?

I think the Grateful Dead gave away most of their music but was still making money. How did they do it?

**fez** · 12-31-2007, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Tuckerman

I think the Grateful Dead gave away most of their music but was still making money. How did they do it?

ticket sales. if you sell out 100 - 200 stadium/arena shows a year, you are making some serious money.

the RIAA isnt about bands making money, its about record labels making money. a band makes much more money off ticket sales than they make selling cds.

**Tuckerman** · 12-31-2007, 08:15 AM

Oh well fuck the RIAA they are not creating anything.

YourSupremeExcellency · 12-31-2007, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by focus

That'll slow 'em down, and probably make you a bigger pain in the ass than you're worth, but it's pretty naive to think using some proxy server will make you an untraceable 3l33+ hAckERZ.

Who the fuck said anything about hacking? And it would do more then slow them down. FindNot keeps logs for 3 days and then deletes them all. It takes a hell of a lot longer then 3 days to file a suit. Not too mention just getting your own private VPN in which case no logs are recorded or using multiple proxies. And you've been watching the Matrix too many times. It doesn't take much to be untraceable. The stuff that usually leaks your IP and other identifying info (such as OPsystem or computer serial number) when trying to be invis is stupid stuff like Java, Flash, and trojans.

**Lonnie** · 12-31-2007, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by fez

the RIAA isnt about bands making money, its about record labels making money. a band makes much more money off ticket sales than they make selling cds.

Right, so now we just have to figure out how to unchain the artists from the RIAA so they can do their own thing. I think this works for the bands/artists that don't mind "working", but not so much so for those that want to sit on their ass with a big fat record deal to make 1 crappy album a year, with one crappy single on it.....

I once heard Henry Rollins say at a talking gig that he personally didn't mind if folks downloaded his music/spoken word stuff. He said that he was just happy that folks would be interested enough in his stuff to take the time to dowload/listen.

He said (paraphrasing), "I own a record label. I know how much it costs to rent a studio, pay the engineers to mix it, press it distribute it etc. I know how much albums sell for and if you folks knew the profit margin on those things there would be a revolt. And that isn't even to mention a company like Sony, MCA, IRS etc that owns the studio, has the engineers on staff, own, the company that burns the CD's and the company that distributes them, along with deals with the big box stores to promote them in their stores...."

Don't cry when the big record companies go the way of the dinosaur....

**timvwcom** · 12-31-2007, 02:00 PM

...excess profit breeds ruinous competition...

**Cliff Huckable** · 12-31-2007, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by nutcase

this is just the last step in a series of bad decisions the record companies have made. This might possibly be the most significant though - if they are going to sue me for buying a cd and copy it onto my ipod then I sure as hell aint going to buy anymore cd's from those fuckers - most of the artists on the major lables suck ass anyways

I blame the courts not the record companies. the courts allow this kind of over-reaching.
Patent and copyright law has gone way too far in the US. The patent problem is being dealt with, or at least recognized, but copyright law seems to be getting further and further away from common sense - it's almost as if there are highly paid lobbyists making all the decisions.
Hmm.
Next: you'll be sued if you let a friend listen, or play music at a party, or just play it loud enough for anyone but the purchaser of the music to hear.

**Arty50** · 01-01-2008, 02:09 AM

How can you blame the courts when they haven't even heard the case.

I predict the RIAA is going to get seriously bitchslapped on this one.

The RIAA consists of Sony BMG, Warner Music Group, and Universal Music Group. Their website lists other labels that actually aren't a part of the RIAA. They report to the group, but aren't technically members. EMI is also a full fledged member, but they just announced they are cutting their funding to the RIAA and the IFPI (the international version). EMI was also the first label to offer digital tracks for sale online without DRM. Sounds like EMI gets it. Not to call them saints or anything; they're far from that. Still the other 3 can go get royally fucked as far as I'm concerned. Especially Universal. They're the anti-christ.

**Mr Sparkle** · 01-01-2008, 02:09 AM

Jackin' For beats...

"ya think your protected?
Well you are untill you put a funky beat on a record!"

**Arty50** · 01-01-2008, 02:10 AM

How can you blame the courts when they haven't even heard the case.

I predict the RIAA is going to get seriously bitchslapped on this one.

The RIAA consists of Sony BMG, Warner Music Group, and Universal Music Group. Their website lists other labels that actually aren't a part of the RIAA. They report to the group, but aren't technically members. EMI is also a full fledged member, but they just announced they are cutting their funding to the RIAA and the IFPI (the international version). EMI was also the first label to offer digital tracks for sale online without DRM. Sounds like EMI gets it. Not to call them saints or anything; they're far from that. Still the other 3 can go get royally fucked as far as I'm concerned. Especially Universal. They're the anti-christ.

**fez** · 01-01-2008, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Cliff Huckable

Next: you'll be sued if you let a friend listen, or play music at a party, or just play it loud enough for anyone but the purchaser of the music to hear.

already can be. i think it's ASCAP that covers public performance though.

**stuckathuntermtn** · 01-02-2008, 11:03 AM

They want us to pay for ever crappier music. That is really the problem here.

**half-fast** · 01-02-2008, 12:28 PM

turns out they are after him for copying then posting to a sharing site
link to article

**milton** · 01-02-2008, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

They want us to pay for ever crappier music. That is really the problem here.

The problem is they want you to pay for it multiple times. Once for your CD, once for your IPod, once for you back-up....

One good thing that has happened lately is that EMI, Universal, and Warner have all decided to go DRM-free digital distribution. That only leave Sony left among the majors. This is big step in the right direction, but there's still that whole RIAA thing and suing your customers.