Line Ski Enthusiasts/Experts, which would you get

**njfreeskier** · 11-20-2007, 05:16 PM

line sir francis bacon, or line prophet 100(179) which would you get. i'm looking for a all mountain powder ski for out west, no revrse sidecut, no reverse camber, just a ski i could take everywhere on pow days. something i could play around with in the pow but still charge with if need be. something i could rock in the trees, in the bowls and chutes, huck some cliffs with, take occasionally in the backcountry and on some kickers in the park. i've searched plenty, and done a lot of research. i've narrowed it down to these two. just looking for some opinions as to which of these two you think the highest of.

i'm 5'8", 160 and am an expert skier...if that helps?

thanks.

**flyby** · 11-20-2007, 05:18 PM

I hear k2 fours are really great skis

**njfreeskier** · 11-20-2007, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by flyby

I hear k2 fours are really great skis

yeah thats what bode said, in like 97...but that has nothing to do with my question. thanks though, and i agree...they are, well were pretty good

**Phall** · 11-20-2007, 05:23 PM

bacons are really soft, but fatter, and prophet 100s are an actual ski, with, like metal and stuff...def. the harder charger

**Roo** · 11-20-2007, 05:25 PM

Is it the Bacon or the Prophet that has the red flashing light doohickey?

**njfreeskier** · 11-20-2007, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Phall

bacons are really soft, but fatter, and prophet 100s are an actual ski, with, like metal and stuff...def. the harder charger

yes i agree, the prophets are definitely the harder charger but what about their freestyle ability, is it a more balanced ski than the bacon? 100 is kinda narrow these days, and i'm afraid they might be too stiff, and not poppy enough for jumps and spins and what not.

no clue about the blinking light Roo???

**TheDon** · 11-20-2007, 05:30 PM

Have you demo'ed the bacon? Symetrical skis are different. You might want to try it out. If you ski switch alot, go for it! If you don't ski switch at least 25% of the time you might want to look at something else.

Another thing to consider is the fact that every single ski company in the entire world right now has a ski with the exact same specs as the prophet. That will tell you that the sape is basically a classic. You can't go wrong with the prophet 100.

**njfreeskier** · 11-20-2007, 05:42 PM

never demo'd the bacons, but theres just something about the ski that draws me to it. i really like the prophets though, im just worried about stiffness, and waist width. if it were 110ish i wouldnt think twice about getting it.

**bobski** · 11-20-2007, 05:47 PM

Just got my 06/07 SFB from the brown truck today! That said, I would go for the Prophet 100 for a one-ski quiver...not the SFB. Why? The SFBs are dang cool, but I plan to use them maybe 5-10 days this year with the rest on "real skis". Have you considered PM Gear Bros? If you want mostly for park you could go 179 soft... or even go 179 Bro FAT for the same price as either Line.

**Caucasian Asian** · 11-20-2007, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Roo

Is it the Bacon or the Prophet that has the red flashing light doohickey?

I believe thats the Prophet 67 IV.

**njfreeskier** · 11-20-2007, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by bobski

Just got my 06/07 SFB from the brown truck today! That said, I would go for the Prophet 100 for a one-ski quiver...not the SFB. Why? The SFBs are dang cool, but I plan to use them maybe 5-10 days this year with the rest on "real skis". Have you considered PM Gear Bros? If you want mostly for park you could go 179 soft... or even go 179 Bro FAT for the same price as either Line.

well i have a pair of line mothership flites that are 90 waist, so im not too concerned with what will happen on those hardpack/groomer days, and im set on getting line skis. positive experience with them, plus the fatty base and edge has saved my skis on more than one occasion.

**Powdurr** · 11-20-2007, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by bobski

Just got my 06/07 SFB from the brown truck today! That said, I would go for the Prophet 100 for a one-ski quiver...not the SFB. Why? The SFBs are dang cool, but I plan to use them maybe 5-10 days this year with the rest on "real skis". Have you considered PM Gear Bros? If you want mostly for park you could go 179 soft... or even go 179 Bro FAT for the same price as either Line.

Well this year's bacons are MUCH stiffer...like almost twice as stiff.

I would go with the bacon. Its definitely an underestimated ski. When I got my first pair last year I thought they were too soft for anything but pow and that I wouldnt use them very much, but I ended up loving them and used them for my (almost) every day ski.

njfreeskier, I would say go with the bacon. From how it sounds like you like to ski, you are going to have a lot more fun with it. And its a lot stiffer this year so it will be a lot more versatile. Go for it. Worse comes to worst and you end up not liking them, you could sell them pretty quick on here or NS. Go for it.

**njfreeskier** · 11-20-2007, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Powdurr

Well this year's bacons are MUCH stiffer...like almost twice as stiff.

And its a lot stiffer this year so it will be a lot more versatile

I didn't know that. Are you sure? I e-mailed pollard and he said they went unchanged except for graphics on topsheet and bases. Are you sure its not cuz they are newer, so they haven't softened up as much your old bacons?

**Powdurr** · 11-20-2007, 07:02 PM

It definitely feels stiffer to me...maybe not twice, but for sure stiffer. I didnt do a side by side flex becuase I sold my old ones before I got the new ones but the second I got them and flexed them the first thing I noticed was they were stiffer.

**hialtitude** · 11-20-2007, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by njfreeskier

well i have a pair of line mothership flites that are 90 waist, so im not too concerned with what will happen on those hardpack/groomer days, and im set on getting line skis. positive experience with them, plus the fatty base and edge has saved my skis on more than one occasion.

If you have mothership flites for firm days, go for the bacons.

The prophet 100 would be a great one-ski quiver, but sounds like you don't need that. So, round out your collection. Get the bacons, they are sweet.

I would have bought the bacons if they came in a longer length, but they don't so I got prophet 130s.

**AKbruin** · 11-20-2007, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by njfreeskier

yes i agree, the prophets are definitely the harder charger but what about their freestyle ability, is it a more balanced ski than the bacon? 100 is kinda narrow these days, and i'm afraid they might be too stiff, and not poppy enough for jumps and spins and what not.

I like my 186cm 100s just fine in the park. They have good pop and spin 3s, 5s, and 7s just fine. If you're pretty serious about the park, I'd get the 179cm version. Otherwise, the 186cm is super-easy to handle and a great all-around ski. Oh, and 100mm is not too narrow. My prophets were my only ski in Alaska last year and they were incredible in the pow (including heli-skiing in Valdez). Their only limitation is that they get tossed around a bit when skiing fast through crud. But that's going to be 3x worse with the SFBs.

**njfreeskier** · 11-20-2007, 07:34 PM

well i plan on getting a superfat for next season so i am looking for freestyle/all mountain versatility this year, so that i will have a somewhat well-rounded quiver next year. and line is supposedly coming out with this industry changing pow ski that pollard is riding this year so i have my eyes set on that. but versatility is definitely high on my list, with big mountain charging not that high on the list, considering that will be next year's ski purchase

**bennettc14** · 11-20-2007, 09:52 PM

Prophet 186 for sure, SFBs are not worth the money unless you like pussy-footin around the mountain and not skiing.

**strode420** · 11-21-2007, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Powdurr

Well this year's bacons are MUCH stiffer...like almost twice as stiff.

they're still MAD soft.

for one ski quiver i'd def go prophet 100. i have bacons, but i also have 190 gotamas for when i actually want to ski. bacons are like 20 times softer than got's.

**njfreeskier** · 11-21-2007, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by strode420

they're still MAD soft.

for one ski quiver i'd def go prophet 100. i have bacons, but i also have 190 gotamas for when i actually want to ski. bacons are like 20 times softer than got's.

yeah but i do i really need such a stiff for skiing pow, rippin through the trees, and hittin some kickers

**hialtitude** · 11-21-2007, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by strode420

bacons are like 20 times softer than got's.

That depends on which year goats, and is still stretching it. The bacons are soft, but not sanouk soft. njfreeskier said he has boards for hardpack days so bacons would make a good all-area, soft snow ski.

**Powdurr** · 11-21-2007, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by bennettc14

Prophet 186 for sure, SFBs are not worth the money unless you like pussy-footin around the mountain and not skiing.

Ya this guy doesnt know what he's talking about...

The bacons are going to be a lot more fun for everything besides carving fast on hard snow, which doesnt sound like what you want them for. If you want a similar lame ass design like every other 100mm waisted ski since 2002, get the prophets. If you want an innovative, freestyle oriented, all around, snowboard like feeling ski, go with the bacons.

**njfreeskier** · 11-21-2007, 08:12 PM

damn...decisions, decisions. i still have no idea what to do and flip flop from day to day. i'm trying to build up my quiver. i race, so i have skis for hardpack. I have mothership flites in 172, with a 90 waist for screwing around in the park, or as rock skis, or if conditions aren't fluffy. I'm getting a pair of skis this year, and a pair of skis next year. Next year i'm getting a longer superfat type ski probly with rocker/reverse camber for deep deep days, and for big mountain charging. But this year's ski is the tough one...a fun, playful, versatile, all mountain ski...100s or sfb's. so that next year i will have a great quiver of two for out west. one for the decent days, and one for the days when they sky opens up. what to do, what to do?

i really appreciate all the input so far...thanks a lot guys.

**dre66** · 11-21-2007, 08:20 PM

you quiver is as follow.

1 hardpack ski
1 rock/park ski
1 big mtn charger for big days you plan on buying next year

whats missing is a pow specific ski. get a funshape or the SFB, something 110mm+ and pretty surfy. the prophet 100s are going to overlap too much with whatever ski you plan on buying next year. wait for next year and get a hard charging ski then. or if you want to cover both bases this year buy the prophet 100s and then sell them next year and get a praxis and a big bro or some similar combination.

**AKbruin** · 11-21-2007, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by njfreeskier

damn...decisions, decisions. i still have no idea what to do and flip flop from day to day. i'm trying to build up my quiver. i race, so i have skis for hardpack. I have mothership flites in 172, with a 90 waist for screwing around in the park, or as rock skis, or if conditions aren't fluffy. I'm getting a pair of skis this year, and a pair of skis next year. Next year i'm getting a longer superfat type ski probly with rocker/reverse camber for deep deep days, and for big mountain charging. But this year's ski is the tough one...a fun, playful, versatile, all mountain ski...100s or sfb's. so that next year i will have a great quiver of two for out west. one for the decent days, and one for the days when they sky opens up. what to do, what to do?

i really appreciate all the input so far...thanks a lot guys.

Again, I encourage you to get the Prophet 100. The SFB is a very quiver specific ski--jibby pow stuff. If you want to charge the pow, do any technical lines, or ski in varied conditions, the Prophet's your ski. Let me assure you from experience that it's great in the trees and great in the pow. And I doubt a ski as wide as the SFB is better in the park. (My quiver: Prophet 100, AK Enemy with Naxo for touring, and Praxis 195. Done and done.)