BREAKING NEWS....(NFL RELATED)

**yooper** · 10-29-2007, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Nick Pappagiorgio

Like I've said, you clearly haven't watched enough NFL in your life Brock to comprehend how this situation is played out. Talk to any coach at any level, and they will agree with me.

No. They won't.

**iceman** · 10-29-2007, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by yooper

No. They won't.

There's definitely a split between coaches who would try to keep the score under control and coaches who think that doing anything at less than 100% on a football field is a sin.

**MassLiberal** · 10-29-2007, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Nick Pappagiorgio

Like I've said, you clearly haven't watched enough NFL in your life Brock to comprehend how this situation is played out. Talk to any coach at any level, and they will agree with me.

I've never seen some one who talks out of their ass as much as you do.

How do you know this? Do you talk to NFL coaches nightly? Is tony dungee your boy or something? Do you babysit Shanahan's kids? Do you have nightly love sessions with Norv Turner?

**yooper** · 10-29-2007, 09:25 AM

Well, one thing I know from being a lifelong Lions fan..... Steve Mariucci would have never run up the score like that!!!

**72Twenty** · 10-29-2007, 09:26 AM

I agree with you there iceman. Like in Superbowl XXIV when SF scored 55 points on Denver. They weren't running up the score. Denver was just giving it to them. What were they going to do, run 10 yards and take a knee?

**Brock Landers** · 10-29-2007, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by yooper

Well, one thing I know from being a lifelong Lions fan..... Steve Mariucci would have never run up the score like that!!!

Wayne Fontes...out for blood!

**yooper** · 10-29-2007, 09:45 AM

I have a buddy that coaches a kids soccer team. His team, through a combination of good coaching and good athletes, is WAY better than every other team in the league. The league has a "mercy" rule. I think it's like 6 goals or something? They have won nearly every game by mercy.

Before last weeks game, the ref approached him and warned him sternly that if they mercy this team, he will be required by the league to attend a class on sportsmanship before he would be allowed back on the sidelines to coach again. What in fuck is that!!!!??

I'm sick of all this anti-competition shit these days.... participation medals, everyone gets presents at a birthday party, etc.

Guess what? That's not how it ends up in real life. There are winners and there are losers. In almost every situation.

What a bunch of fuckin' pussies.

**SuperGaper** · 10-29-2007, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by 72Twenty

I agree with you there iceman. Like in Superbowl XXIV when SF scored 55 points on Denver. They weren't running up the score. Denver was just giving it to them. What were they going to do, run 10 yards and take a knee?

As a life long Niners fan, I thought they were running it up. I thought they ran it up against the Chargers too.
Now I am an expert on other teams protocol in blow out wins. Like I say, what goes around comes around.
FWIW, with thecoaching fraternity being so insular, I think the only people who might suffer from this are Pats assistants looking for positions next year.

Oh yeah, didn't the classy Pats dance on San Diego's logo last year ala TO?

**pappag** · 10-29-2007, 09:49 AM

I play in a softball league with a 15-run mercy rule. One team in particular hits so well that our games generally last 3 innings with them. When it gets close (i.e. they are up by 12 runs) and manage to hit what would normally be a double or a triple, they only claim first base. And when in situations where they could advance 3 bases, they only take one.

**iceman** · 10-29-2007, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Nick Pappagiorgio

I play in a softball league with a 15-run mercy rule. One team in particular hits so well that our games generally last 3 innings with them. When it gets close (i.e. they are up by 12 runs) and manage to hit what would normally be a double or a triple, they only claim first base. And when in situations where they could advance 3 bases, they only take one.

Well that's fine, but that's a beer-league softball team, it doesn't have a hell of a lot to do with professional sports, does it?

**pappag** · 10-29-2007, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by iceman

Well that's fine, but that's a beer-league softball team, it doesn't have a hell of a lot to do with professional sports, does it?

True, it doesn't have a hell a lot to do with professional sports, but if someone plans on throwing in rec league soccer ....

**iceman** · 10-29-2007, 10:02 AM

Oh, I wasn't thinking about that soccer post, carry on.

**shamrockpow** · 10-29-2007, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by iceman

Well that's fine, but that's a beer-league softball team, it doesn't have a hell of a lot to do with professional sports, does it?

And Ice takes the thread!

**Obstruction** · 10-29-2007, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Nick Pappagiorgio

I play in a softball league with a 15-run mercy rule. One team in particular hits so well that our games generally last 3 innings with them. When it gets close (i.e. they are up by 12 runs) and manage to hit what would normally be a double or a triple, they only claim first base. And when in situations where they could advance 3 bases, they only take one.

So you're saying Kraft should tell everyone the show is over at half time and send them home?

I'm a Pats fan and like most people I don't enjoy lopsided games. Yesterday I was so bored I considered going out and painting the porch (a couple of Octoberfests helped me quell that impulse).

Running up the score is a crime of intent and I honestly don't believe that was what the Pats were up to. They were playing their game. If they were trying to run the score up you would have been looking at a even bigger number.

And is it less embarrassing for a pro football team to get beat 36 to nothing while their opponents are laying down? I'd be pissed if I was playing and the opposing team started to treat the game like it was a fucking T-ball match.

(I've been on the losing side of a 49-0 football game and we knew it was no ones fault but our own.)

**72Twenty** · 10-29-2007, 10:11 AM

If other teams are sick of the Pats scoring so much, then they should just figure out a way to beat those guys. I hate the Patriots, but I hate them because I want my team to win, not them. They are a damn good team, have the right players in the right positions, they have the coach that knows how to put it all together, etc. They win and score alot because they are THAT GOOD. I think a lesser talented team CAN beat them if they have a good game plan and a good coaching system. Look at Denver - the Broncos have been able to beat the Patriots in recent years because Shanahan was able to put his players in the best position to beat them. The Broncos may have been less over-all talented, but they did what they needed to do to win. IT CAN BE DONE. There is no need for crybabies in pro sports. These are grown men that get paid to do a job.

**fatback** · 10-29-2007, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Nick Pappagiorgio

True, it doesn't have a hell a lot to do with professional sports, but if someone plans on throwing in rec league soccer ....

Don't forget the ever important high school rowing team.

**cj001f** · 10-29-2007, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by SuperGaper

Like I say, what goes around comes around.

So is it the 1990 or the 1992 Patriots that's coming back to bite everyone in the ass?

**Tuckerman** · 10-29-2007, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Nick Pappagiorgio

I play in a softball league

Ok, so thats what High School girls play, congrats. You must have wine coolers after the game with the other ladies.

**Brock Landers** · 10-29-2007, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by cj001f

So is it the 1990 or the 1992 Patriots that's coming back to bite everyone in the ass?

The ghost of rod rust? or victor kiam?

**pappag** · 10-29-2007, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by SuperGaper

As a life long Niners fan, I thought they were running it up. I thought they ran it up against the Chargers too.
Now I am an expert on other teams protocol in blow out wins. Like I say, what goes around comes around.
FWIW, with thecoaching fraternity being so insular, I think the only people who might suffer from this are Pats assistants looking for positions next year.

Oh yeah, didn't the classy Pats dance on San Diego's logo last year ala TO?

Just checked out the play-by-play from Super Bowl XXIV against the Broncos ... in the 2nd half, the 49ers ran 10 pass plays and 21 run plays.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/s...xxiv-plays.htm

**Obstruction** · 10-29-2007, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Brock Landers

The ghost of rod rust? or victor kiam?

...Or your money baaaahhhk!

**72Twenty** · 10-29-2007, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by pheenster

Bingo. And all those here saying that it's somehow OK to go for it on 4th and short while up 38-0 will be the first to scream bloody murder.

All that talent and three Super Bowls, and yet the Patriots organization somehow remains utterly devoid of class from top to bottom.

I'm going to have to disagree with you there, and again, I HATE THE PATRIOTS. But to say they are devoid of class is simply untrue. I've watched post game press conferences with Brady and Belichick and, as much as I don't like them, they always seem to answer the questions they way you would expect anyone else to answer them and tell it like it is. They love to play the game. I mean, do you expect them to APPOLOGIZE for winning? Would that make them more classy? "Gosh, we are really sorry for beating you guys. Maybe we should have skipped practice this week and the game would have been closer." I have always respected Belichick since the Broncos beat them in the playoffs 2 years ago. At midfield after the game he told Shanahan "You guys played a great game, I hope you go all the way". He knew it was a well-played game on both sides and the other team found a way to beat him. It didn't stop him from continuing to try to win. Do you think Lombardi would ever appologize for winning?!?

**belgian** · 10-29-2007, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by yooper

I'm sick of all this anti-competition shit these days.... participation medals, everyone gets presents at a birthday party, etc.

The difference is that what you are describing is no longer competition. Yes, I think it is pretty stupid that your friend was explicitly told before the game to not hit the mercy limit, as that IS in the rules. But when you have clearly won the game and decide to keep adding points, that is kicking a man when he is down. Its like if you decide to go hunting. Clearly as a man with a gun you have the upper hand, if you can find the beast you're probably going to fuck him up. That is ok, what would not be ok is if after the kill you decided you weren't satisfied and were going to go track down the beast's offspring and kill them too. It doesn't make you a better hunter, and it certainly doesn't prove that you're the bigger man, but you could do it if you wanted to.

Same deal. It ain't sporting, by the time the score was 38-0 they KNEW the game was won. As far as the Redskins coming back from that, don't you think that the Patriots, being "one of the greatest NFL teams of all time" would be able to put up another TD in the fourth quarter? No? If you don't then I would have to say that you have a very small penis and that you are very insecure.

**smalls** · 10-29-2007, 10:36 AM

you just compared hunting down a deer's offspring to a football game? wtf?

and the texans (the lowly texans), scored 29 points in the 4th quarter last week. while that wasn't entirely likely to happen in the Pats game, the fact remains that it can happen. they're paid to score, so let them do what they're paid to do. like someone else said, it's not the job of the offensive coach to limit scoring, that's the job of the opposing defense.

**72Twenty** · 10-29-2007, 10:39 AM

Question for you guys... If you are playing Madden on your Playstation and you are blowing out a team, do you really say "well, this is getting out of hand, I need to stop running my offense here"? I know this is just a video game, but is it really all that different?