Hillary Clinton shoots self in foot!

[Blurred]

It's not what it makes you, it was a straight-up question about your voter registration card. What does it say?

I'm a convicted felon. My card says "don't let this fucker vote".

[Tri-Ungulate]

Dude. I hear you're an O fuckin' G.

Summit Kounty Reprezent!!

You one baaad muthafucka, Blurred.

Your wanna-be-black schtick is about as well thought out as your political stance.

[Crass3000]

Your wanna-be-black schtick is about as well thought out as your political stance.

It would be nice if you could keep racism out of this you racist bastard!!!

[sftc]

I'm a convicted felon. My card says "don't let this fucker vote".

So why do we have to listen to your pro-war/Bush political B.S? Your opinion is appreciated, but you've lost your your right to participate, so give it a break.
Or are you just bitter about the fact that you can't play 'Democracy' so you're gonna flame it up as much as possible for the rest of us non-felons?

[philippeR]

What part of the Taliban and OBL being in cahoots don't you get? Did you also know Saddam paid the families of Palestinian suicide bombers (attacking innocent Israelis) $25,000 a pop? Can you say state sponsored terrorism?

It's pretty fucking clear Rooster.

I still don't see how that would link Iraq to 9/11.

[Cono Este]

Kucinich for President 2008!!!!!!!!!!






























































At this point, shit why not?

[Dexter Rutecki]

I still don't see how that would link Iraq to 9/11.

That's because you're not a completely blind ideologue. Even tonight Bush linked 9/11 and the 'war on terrorism' to Iraq. The fact is that we're being endangered by this completely incompetent administration and they need to finally be held to account (I know that's a completely foreign concept to Bushies). According to everyone, including our own assessments, 'Al Qaeda in Iraq' is not capable of out of theater attacks, but some of the groups in Afghanistan are. Because we're being led by this moron we're talking about the wrong war and fighting the wrong people, and apparently there are still people who buy it.

And guess what will happen if we get another Republican in 2008 (not that I believe that's a possibility, thank God)? More of the same, even if it shifts to Iran or somewhere else. And one of the many tragedies is that even with a president who is actually capable of abstract thought, by 2009 it will be too late for the 4000+ dead soldiers, their families, and the tens of thousands wounded.

[MeatPuppet]

Petraeus went in and toed the bullshit line that things are improving, using figures that no one believes are real (attacks are down as long as you don't count most of the attacks--Iraqi deaths aren't part of the war!). The war is an abject failure,

I love how you believe you know more about how this war is going than the four star general running it. Its' impressive, really. Some people require large amounts of drugs to reach these levels of self delusion.

I still don't see how that would link Iraq to 9/11.

You are hanging out in your back yard and suddenly get stung by a wasp. So you tear down the nest it came from. But, you then go around your yard looking for any other nests. If you find one, you tear it down, even though the wasp that stung you didn't come from that particular nest. You are correcting an over site(letting the nests form in the first place).

That's what we did in Iraq, correct an over site. Politicians will say whatever they think they need to, in order to get popular support.

[philippeR]

I love how you believe you know more about how this war is going than the four star general running it. Its' impressive, really. Some people require large amounts of drugs to reach these levels of self delusion.




You are hanging out in your back yard and suddenly get stung by a wasp. So you tear down the nest it came from. But, you then go around your yard looking for any other nests. If you find one, you tear it down, even though the wasp that stung you didn't come from that particular nest. You are correcting an over site(letting the nests form in the first place).

That's what we did in Iraq, correct an over site. Politicians will say whatever they think they need to, in order to get popular support.

What you're doing in Iraq is breeding wasp at an accelerated rate. (since this is the department of lousy metaphors). I suggest you nuke Mecca next. That will teach them to love the american way and will spread democracy all over the muslim word.

[MeatPuppet]

What you're doing in Iraq is breeding wasp at an accelerated rate. (since this is the department of lousy metaphors). I suggest you nuke Mecca next. That will teach them to love the american way and will spread democracy all over the muslim word.

For the record: I don't believe in "spreading democracy". People should be free to organize themselves into whatever form of government they want, it's their behavior toward their neighbors and the world community that I'm more concerned with.

But you are correct...and incorrect, at the same time. There are people who are going to be inspired toward terrorism by our actions in Iraq. That makes our job tougher. It has nothing to do with the rightness or wrongness of our choice to take this course of action.

[philippeR]

For the record: I don't believe in "spreading democracy". People should be free to organize themselves into whatever form of government they want, it's their behavior toward their neighbors and the world community that I'm more concerned with.

But you are correct...and incorrect, at the same time. There are people who are going to be inspired toward terrorism by our actions in Iraq. That makes our job tougher. It has nothing to do with the rightness or wrongness of our choice to take this course of action.

Yes it does, IMO : terrorism has no territory. terrorists come from all over the world. They come from the UK or from France. The nest are not Nation States. They're the radical muslims communities spread everywhere and which gain more power with each new Iraqi casualty.
Beside the obvious targets (which are not Iraq, but Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran) what are you going to invade next ?

This horse is beaten to death anyway.

[Blurred]

Yes it does, IMO : terrorism has no territory. terrorists come from all over the world. They come from the UK or from France. The nest are not Nation States. They're the radical muslims communities spread everywhere and which gain more power with each new Iraqi casualty.
Beside the obvious targets (which are not Iraq, but Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran) what are you going to invade next ?

This horse is beaten to death anyway.

We're going to use our Boy Scouts to invade France to slap all you pussies around and arm you with deodorant.

[Jer]

So why do we have to listen to your pro-war/Bush political B.S? Your opinion is appreciated, but you've lost your your right to participate, so give it a break.
Or are you just bitter about the fact that you can't play 'Democracy' so you're gonna flame it up as much as possible for the rest of us non-felons?

He lost his right to VOTE, not his right to talk about politics.

[Jer]

For the record: I don't believe in "spreading democracy".

Yes, I think that's bullshit as well. This is probably because I think Democracy is a doomed system. Even in the US.


BUT - we can all agree that Hillary Clinton made a big dumb mistake, right? I mean - that was the original subject of this thread and so far nobody has dissagreed with me on that topic...

[Dexter Rutecki]

I love how you believe you know more about how this war is going than the four star general running it. Its' impressive, really. Some people require large amounts of drugs to reach these levels of self delusion.

Maybe it's all the coke Bush did that explains his foolishness then--but as for yours, I'm at a loss. You believe what that guy, at the behest of our idiot in chief, says about Iraq? When even the figures he uses are demonstrably false? When nearly every analysis, including those by our own government, disagrees with what he put forward?
Are you serious?
And then you cop the bullshit line that no one can know more about what's happening than the general you WANT to believe.
Quick, someone get me General Westmoreland's testimony on how we're about to win in Viet Nam.

Seriously, your 'logic' is beyond stupid.

And as for Jer, although I hate to address him again, clearly Hillary did the right thing because it was a foregone conclusion that the administration would redefine victory, and the truth about the futility of Iraq is widely known, even without hearing what the administration's military figures claim. So you were wrong, again. And you're wrong to keep whining that no one is discussing what you want to discuss--by discussing whether or not Clinton was right to question the testimony (regardless of when), we are on topic. Sorry, try again.

[Adolf Allerbush]

And as for Jer, although I hate to address him again, clearly Hillary did the right thing because it was a foregone conclusion that the administration would redefine victory, and the truth about the futility of Iraq is widely known, even without hearing what the administration's military figures claim. So you were wrong, again. And you're wrong to keep whining that no one is discussing what you want to discuss--by discussing whether or not Clinton was right to question the testimony (regardless of when), we are on topic. Sorry, try again.

Those figures are pretty misleading. Car bombings and assasinations of people not shot in the back of the head have been left out of their counts. As if they're just car bombing for shits and giggles...as if that has nothing to do with the war going on...and that's just to name a couple of the misleading calculations made in Petraeus' report.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Yeah, I mentioned it before, but they rigged the numbers by basically throwing out any Iraqi deaths caused by other Iraqis to make it seem as if things are improving. Fortunately, at this point I think it's only the super-dense who are still believing what these guys are throwing at us.

[Chemical Ali' The Wax Master]

[QUOTE=philippeR;1428256]
Beside the obvious targets (which are not Iraq, but Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran) what are you going to invade next ?

Canada, because they have a stronger dollar, and wmd's in the beer

[Jer]

And as for Jer, although I hate to address him again, clearly Hillary did the right thing because it was a foregone conclusion that the administration would redefine victory, and the truth about the futility of Iraq is widely known, even without hearing what the administration's military figures claim. So you were wrong, again. And you're wrong to keep whining that no one is discussing what you want to discuss--by discussing whether or not Clinton was right to question the testimony (regardless of when), we are on topic. Sorry, try again.

Well yeah - nothing Patreaus could have said would have been acceptable to HRC or most of the other Dems in Congress. He could have pulled OBL's head out of a sack and said "Every Islamic terrorist just gave up, they love us now" and the Dems wouldn't have been satisfied. Shit - that's the absolute worst thing that could happen for them. If HRC would have waited until after she heard what Patraeus had to say to call him a lying toadie, I'd be fine with that. But she didn't. Dex - dingbats like you think that kind of thing is really cool and all, but most normal Americans think stuff like that is really dumb, regardless of thier opinions about the war. I'm not saying what she did was wrong or right, I'm saying what she did was really stupid. Anyone with the IQ of a carrot could discern that by reading my OP.

[Adolf Allerbush]

Well yeah - nothing Patreaus could have said would have been acceptable to HRC or most of the other Dems in Congress. He could have pulled OBL's head out of a sack and said "Every Islamic terrorist just gave up, they love us now" and the Dems wouldn't have been satisfied. Shit - that's the absolute worst thing that could happen for them. If HRC would have waited until after she heard what Patraeus had to say to call him a lying toadie, I'd be fine with that. But she didn't. Dex - dingbats like you think that kind of thing is really cool and all, but most normal Americans think stuff like that is really dumb, regardless of thier opinions about the war. I'm not saying what she did was wrong or right, I'm saying what she did was really stupid. Anyone with the IQ of a carrot could discern that by reading my OP.

So what is she supposed to do when reporters ask her about what her hypothetical response would be if Gen P's report turns out to say that things are getting better in Iraq? She sited some independent studies and said that basically if he came out and said that then his report is bull shit. You're suggesting that this is a dumb approach? That she should've just said "I don't have any opinion on Iraq"? I see where you are coming from but I just don't think it's realistic to think a politician isn't going to take every opportunity to put forth their agenda.

[Shorey]

Who is Jer? Is he big around here?

[Jer]

So what is she supposed to do when reporters ask her about what her hypothetical response would be if Gen P's report turns out to say that things are getting better in Iraq? She sited some independent studies and said that basically if he came out and said that then his report is bull shit. You're suggesting that this is a dumb approach? That she should've just said "I don't have any opinion on Iraq"? I see where you are coming from but I just don't think it's realistic to think a politician isn't going to take every opportunity to put forth their agenda.

If I were chasing the Dem nomination and some reporters asked me what my hypothetical response would be I'd say "Well, let's wait until we hear what he has to say before commenting on it.". Basically, I'd wait until I heard what he had to say about the situation before condemning it. What she did made her seem really really arrogant. Yeah, I know, she actually is really really arrogant, but you don't make that so glaringly obvious especially when you're trying to get the majority of Americans to think you're a great gal. Plus, didn't she vote for the war? And didn't she endorse Patraeus taking over from Franks? Really makes her seem like she's playing politics, which I know she is, but still....

[Hayduke]

Who is Jer? I she big around here?

been drinking bitch?

[Shorey]

I she big fuchollio. Biotch.

[Shorey]

beat you...gay lord