Al Gore

[Crass3000]

He presents facts to back up global warming. What we should do about global warming...those are opinions. I know this is difficult, but keep trying and you'll get there.

Al Gore may present some "facts" but he also adds alot of propaganda and exageration. One point being that he states the oceans will rise something like 20 feet in the next 100 years when the general consensus is that the oceans will rise a few inches in the same time frame. He knows that some of the things he is saying are not "facts." He is trying to scare people to get on the Al Gore 'Save Us' bandwagon.

That being said obviously it's a good idea to try to conserve, not pollute, etc. These are things that EVERYBODY would agree with. My guess is that Al Gore is hoping to get into the Presidential arena again and is waiting for his opening -- which is pretty obvious.

[Crass3000]

A big mansion could still be eco friendly. Bush's jet (Air force 1) is most certainly bigger than any jet Gore has and he wouldn't scream about global warming while he's in the pocket of big oil would he.

But we know damn well he has at least four "big" mansions and they are VERY likely NOT eco friendly. He uses as much energy as at least 20 normal families with his housing.

Air Force 1 is a jet that all Presidents fly in. Gore is flying in a private jet as a normal citizen. Gore produces more carbon output with a one-way flight on his private jet than quite a few of our cars produce all year combined.

As someone mentioned in another thread -- Al Gore made tons of money from Occidental Petroleum.

[montanaskier]

Global Warming has NOTHING to do with Al Gore. He is a prominent figure who has tried to bring it to the forefront of discussion. I know this, we as humans are not good for the planet. We all need to do better to stop the role, however big it is, in the warming of our planet. In my opinion, the true solution to Global Warming and MANY other issues facing our planet is to begin to reduce the number of people that live on earth. Not by killing people but rather by teaching people you don't have to have kids. Overpopulation is the biggest issue we face yet NO ONE wants to talk about it. Like telling people to not have kids who shouldn't is a bad thing. Al Gore has nothing to do with this whole thing. Stop finding holes in how he lives his life and start getting the overall message, you handle you.

[Crass3000]

Did a search, couldn't find anything about his carbon footprint approaching canada's. I found some people spewing about his energy usage, and a few more spewing about flying/driving to speaking engagements. I found something about him using 10 or 20 times the energy of the average american. I'm pretty sure there's more than 20 or so Canadians. Even if the average Canadian uses 1/5 the energy the average american does, I'm pretty sure there's more than 100 of them. That's just a guess though.

Would you please quit with the "bigger than Canada" bullshit? It's a ridiculous assertion, especially when your time is too precious to back it up (which is ridiculous in its own right, you spent your Sunday afternoon spewing this shit on TGR and who knows where else).

I'm pretty sure he was using exageration to make a point. How could you not catch that? Do you really think he was claiming one person had the footprint of whole country. He's right... you guys get your panties in a bunch over anybody who has any sort of view that isn't the same as yours. Most people who bother arguing against the TGR mindset have probably researched their information a little more than the AVERAGE TGR poster who spews what everybody else says. It takes a little more nuts to disagree with everybody than it does to tote the line. As the saying goes... Free speach is absolute for liberals unless you don't agree with them.

[Crass3000]

Overpopulation is the biggest issue we face yet NO ONE wants to talk about it. Like telling people to not have kids who shouldn't is a bad thing.

I've been talking about this for at least 10 years and the pseudo wanna-be ECO-SAVIORS blow a gasket. Try telling an environmentalist that they have to limit the amount of kids they want if they want them. I actually think that the "One birth" policy China has tried to impliment in some regions is a good thing. But coming from a conservative like me the liberal bandwagon seems to think its a crazed right wing conspiracy that trambles on their rights. Well it might be stepping on their rights but we all have rights. I have the right to be an idiot and waste tons of energy if I want. That doesn't make it sane or right -- neither does having a boatload of kids. One kid is all that any responsible ENVIRONMENTALIST should have -- otherwise their just a hypocrit.

[montanaskier]

I am an environmentalist and am definatley liberal, however this overpopulation thing is out of control. More and more people in places like Phoenix, Vegas, Cali, issues like lack of water are going to be a HUGE issue going forward. We simply don't have the resources to take care of this bulging population. People are ridiculous.

[natty dread]

It takes a little more nuts to disagree with everybody than it does to tote the line.

A douchebag, a dumbass, a wingnut--call crass what you will, but know this: he never, NEVER totes the line.

My solution... just take out all the Muslims.

[Crass3000]

A douchebag, a dumbass, a wingnut--call crass what you will, but know this: he never, NEVER totes the line.

I don't know why I took you off my ignore list (actually you said I was on yours)

What I mean is that its easier to float down the river on a tube with a beer in your hand than it is to swim upstream which is typically what I do here.

Anyway I'm glad you could chime in with your always insightful comments that are never born of your own mind. You either spout a couple names or post an article to speak for you. Do you have the intelligence to form your own thoughts and form a paragraph without posting an article somebody else wrote? I can't think of anytime I have seen you write from your mind and not just post somebody elses article. Your parents must be proud of your analytical skills natty.

[focus]

He knew what you meant, you fucked up the cliche and he was making fun of you for it. I can't believe you didn't catch that.

[Below Zero]

I actually think that the "One birth" policy China has tried to impliment in some regions is a good thing.

Wow, I actually agress with something Crass3000 thinks. Maybe "two birth" limit would be better.

[montanaskier]

Wow, I actually agress with something Crass3000 thinks. Maybe "two birth" limit would be better.

How bout a zero birth limit if you make less than a certain wage meaning you can't afford to care for the child on your own or if your IQ level is not at least a certain number.

[woodstocksez]

He knew what you meant, you fucked up the cliche and he was making fun of you for it. I can't believe you didn't catch that.

Did a search, couldn't find anything about his carbon footprint approaching canada's. I found some people spewing about his energy usage, and a few more spewing about flying/driving to speaking engagements. I found something about him using 10 or 20 times the energy of the average american. I'm pretty sure there's more than 20 or so Canadians. Even if the average Canadian uses 1/5 the energy the average american does, I'm pretty sure there's more than 100 of them. That's just a guess though.

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Would you please quit with the "bigger than Canada" bullshit? It's a ridiculous assertion, especially when your time is too precious to back it up (which is ridiculous in its own right, you spent your Sunday afternoon spewing this shit on TGR and who knows where else).

Pot ... kettle.

[stupendous man]

IMO, one birth is good, two births is the limit - you are ok to replace yourself. more than two is not ok, unless you adopt.

[montanaskier]

While scanning the xm the other day, heard a crying dummy on Dr. Laura. This dope had 5 kids already and was pregnant with another. She had just lost the pregnancy. She was carrying on and on about what to do, they wanted more kids sooo bad, blahblahblah. Dr. Laura and the dummy agreed to take some time to recover and then try fertility drugs!!!! I almost wrecked. 5 kids is too many to begin with and when nature steps in and says no more, we take drugs to get what we want! Unbelievable.

Losing a child is a terrible tragedy and this post is not meant to sound mean or uncaring to those of you who have lost children....hopefully you get the point.

[focus]

Pot ... kettle.

I know. That was actually my motivation -- he was making fun of me for the same thing earlier.

I still maintain that Jer sucks at exaggeration, but now that everybody thinks he's DW, I don't know what to think.

[PNWbrit]

I actually think that the "One birth" policy China has tried to impliment in some regions is a good thing.

A good thing?

You know how they enforce that policy? This has been going on for decades. But it is perhaps even more troubling that it still happens under the current "relaxed" system. At least troubling for those of us with a conscience - you probably don't care.

[montanaskier]

How China enforces this and other policies is a travesty, the idea behind it is good. China is not so good on the human rights stuff.

[focus]

China is not so good on the human rights stuff.

Is that a GWB quote?

How do you propose we'd enforce such a policy without running amok of human rights, religious groups, etc.? [/genuinely curious]

[woodstocksez]

Is that a GWB quote?

That redeems the Canada analysis.

[montanaskier]

Their is no way to enforce this type of rule. What needs to happen is that we need to teach people that we are facing a massive over population issue on this planet. We need to teach people that having 4 or 6 or 10 kids is not ok. We need to give tax breaks to those that have zero or 1 or 2 kids only and NOT give federal assistance to those that have so many damn children. The sad part is that is a situation that will probably never get better because people are going to always want their kids and nooone ever thinks about the day they turn on their faucet and no water comes out.

[montanaskier]

and no......not a GWB quote. I am very liberal on almost every issue, population, immigration, and government assistance not withstanding.

[focus]

Their is no way to enforce this type of rule. What needs to happen is that we need to teach people that we are facing a massive over population issue on this planet. We need to teach people that having 4 or 6 or 10 kids is not ok. We need to give tax breaks to those that have zero or 1 or 2 kids only and NOT give federal assistance to those that have so many damn children. The sad part is that is a situation that will probably never get better because people are going to always want their kids and nooone ever thinks about the day they turn on their faucet and no water comes out.

I agree that education is key.

Convincing the religious right that we have an overpopulation issue won't be easy, especially when they know jesus is gonna come back any day now.

On current issues w/ abortion and planned parenthood, we seem to be heading in the wrong direction.

Withholding assistance isn't a very good solution, as the primary losers will be the kids (i.e. the innocent).

[montanaskier]

true about assistance, however we could make it way more worthwhile for those doing the right thing than for those doing the wrong thing. It will never happen, as was mentioned in a previous thread....our lawmakers and leaders don't do what is right, they do what gets and keeps them elected.

[Jer]

Global Warming has NOTHING to do with Al Gore.

Yeah but this thread has EVERYTHING to do with Al Gore, genius.

[Phill]

I thought this thread just had to do with him being a fatass.