a real shocker

[montanaskier]

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2007/s2772.htm2006 the warmest year on record....breaking the record of 2005. What Global Warming? Come on Gore, please run in 2008.

[jeffmoore]

[MarsB]

not me:

[BakerBoy]

[ak_powder_monkey]

But its finally a normalish winter in AK climate change is weird

[BakerBoy]

But its finally a normalish winter in AK climate change is weird

If you have nothing to add to this important thread, then shut the fuck up.

[Arty50]

You know, that's great and all; but 2007 is really, really, really fucking cold.

I mean, it snowed in fucking Malibu today. Malibu. And we've had more sub zero days in the past month in Tahoe than we've had in the 3 years I've lived here.

[rideit]

You know, that's great and all; but 2007 is really, really, really fucking cold.

Not on the REST of the planet.

[warthog]

I'm sure El Nino and the shift in the jet stream has nothing to do with any of this.

[Dantheman]

You know, that's great and all; but 2007 is really, really, really fucking cold.

I mean, it snowed in fucking Malibu today. Malibu. And we've had more sub zero days in the past month in Tahoe than we've had in the 3 years I've lived here.

Yes, but that's not climate, it's weather. When scientists talk about climate they are talking about 30-year averages or longer. You can think of climate as the "signal" and weather as the "noise".

Also, keep in mind that global warming is going to create regional climate change by creating changes in general circulation patterns. Some places will get warmer and drier, others will get warmer and wetter, others will get cooler and wetter, others will get cooler and drier, some may stay the same. These regional shifts, not the warming, are the problem because our food production systems, transportation systems, etc. have been optimized to work in this climate pattern and transitioning them to a new climate pattern is going to be expensive and painful.

[Rontele]

I'm sure El Nino and the shift in the jet stream has nothing to do with any of this.

Most insightful post in this thread.

[stupendous man]

Ready for my ocean front pad in boulder.

[INDY GS]

Yes, but that's not climate, it's weather. When scientists talk about climate they are talking about 30-year averages or longer. You can think of climate as the "signal" and weather as the "noise".

Also, keep in mind that global warming is going to create regional climate change by creating changes in general circulation patterns. Some places will get warmer and drier, others will get warmer and wetter, others will get cooler and wetter, others will get cooler and drier, some may stay the same. These regional shifts, not the warming, are the problem because our food production systems, transportation systems, etc. have been optimized to work in this climate pattern and transitioning them to a new climate pattern is going to be expensive and painful.

That is the most descriptive explination of Global Warming & Climate Change yet. It makes the most sense and if the talking heads on the boob tube would put it this way, more people would give a damn.

"Ignore the environment, It will eventually go away!

But at the same time, I think we need to look at an even bigger picture more than 30 year time frames, we have been tracking weather for less than 200 years, and weather/ climate has been occurring since well before that. What patterns are happening, patterns don't just happen in cycles that are convenient to our statistics, but rather to the LONG term history.

That being said, I do believe global warming is occuring, but the way most make it sound it is this big green monster lurking and ready to pounce on us at any given moment. The shift is gradual and didn't just happen this year.

[smalls]

nothing important to add other than it is snowing in chapel hill, despite this past weekend being in the mid-70s.

[TeleHoar]

OMG!!

"U.S. and global annual temperatures are now approximately 1.0 degrees F warmer than at the start of the 20th century,"

Everbody panic!!

[tex1230]

I'm taking the other side - I think we're at the beginning of the next ice age.

[Bud Green]

You know, that's great and all; but 2007 is really, really, really fucking cold.

I mean, it snowed in fucking Malibu today. Malibu. And we've had more sub zero days in the past month in Tahoe than we've had in the 3 years I've lived here.

You convinced me. Global warming is a crock.

[skinny_kid]

I agree with Henry Rollins

[montanaskier]

I say fuck anyone from Auburn, Al....you don't get a vote...Roll Tide Baby.


The sad part to me is that the entire trend has no signs of slowing down. Most of the public and political leaders are ignorant to the facts and really just don't give a shit. Sigh....

[Diz_MT]

Indeed, I can't wait to see NY drowned

[Dawn Patrol]

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2007/s2772.htm2006 the warmest year on record....breaking the record of 2005. What Global Warming? Come on Gore, please run in 2008.

I don't think anyone is arguing that there is a warming trend, I think people are debating what is the CAUSE of the warming trend, pollution, geological, or both. I would be exceedingly arrogant for anyone to claim they know the cause for fact.

Oh yea and al gore is the hypocrite or the year....

[MarsB]

Oh yea and al gore is the hypocrite or the year....

Explain. Because he travels in a jet?

[FreakofSnow]

Wacky weather. Over here in W. MT its been colder than a witches tit with a brass bra doing pushups in the snow.

Had to stock up on some more wood. Already burned 2.5 cords.

[Blurred]

I like this global warming. I've been skiing in nothing but a thong all Winter. It's been great!

[MOHSHSIHd]

its been VERY cold in boulder this winter so far....usually we get a week of 70s in Jan....been like 0 every night for a while now....not to mention all the snow we have gotten this year down here..