a real shocker

[Big Turns]

I'm all for flooding Kansas....

[s.p.c]

Indeed, I can't wait to see NY drowned

i can't wait to drown you.

[warthog]

its been VERY cold in boulder this winter so far....usually we get a week of 70s in Jan....been like 0 every night for a while now....not to mention all the snow we have gotten this year down here..

Once again, change in the jet stream curling the weather at you from the East, not over the Rockies. Happens every so often.

Can anyone explain why the temp last year was .00001234567000 % higher than 1938, the brink of the rule of the Automobile?

I give some merit to the global warming theories, melted ice caps don't lie. But no statistic has shown me that I am causing it. That is not to say that I don't believe in doing my part, but until the rest of the developing world gives two shits about it, it is a lost cause. Go visit China or India, and get them on the program, Al Gore.

[MarsB]

...until the rest of the developing world gives two shits about it, it is a lost cause. Go visit China or India, and get them on the program, Al Gore.

Well, fuck, let's just give up then. What's the saying -clean up your own backyard before worrying about your neighbors?


Besides, both per capita and aggregate energy use and carbon emissions in the United States outnumber both China and India.

[Bud Green]

I would be exceedingly arrogant for anyone to claim they know the cause for fact.

Oh yea and al gore is the hypocrite or the year....

Exceedingly arrogant???? All the scientist are saying is that an overwhelming majority of the evidence points to the fact that humans are contributing to warming. You probably don't "believe" in evolution either.

So is Al Gore a hypocrite or a year?

[shirk]

The skiing has been good in BC and the PNW so I se no problems.

Keep this good stuff coming

[orange]

Please stop saying Global Warming isn't real, is the realest shit ever, or that this wacky weather this year is from it.

This season's temps and snowfall can almost all be accredited to El Nino. Period. We all know that, stop saying it's all global warming.

Now, global warming may be causing the weaker/stronger High Pressures in the long run.


aanother thing...the US outnumbers China and India in emissons, and that whole everyone-but-the-Us-signing-Kyoto thing kinda sums up the idea of "until the rest of the developing world gives two shits about it".

Eh, Klee Shay should come in here and post too, it's a fucking beaten horse. I feel dumb even posting and reiterating what others already wrote...

Yes Global Warming is real, yes the temps are high, yes it's mainly el nino, yes people are most likely a sizeable part of the global warming problem.


Al Gore, oh yah, whats SAC?
FUCK ME

[Adolf Allerbush]

Once again, change in the jet stream curling the weather at you from the East, not over the Rockies. Happens every so often.

Can anyone explain why the temp last year was .00001234567000 % higher than 1938, the brink of the rule of the Automobile?

I give some merit to the global warming theories, melted ice caps don't lie. But no statistic has shown me that I am causing it. That is not to say that I don't believe in doing my part, but until the rest of the developing world gives two shits about it, it is a lost cause. Go visit China or India, and get them on the program, Al Gore.

What would you need to have "definitive proof" of global warming? Is it going to take an average global temperature increase of 5 degrees? how about 10? how about 20? Is there 100% certainty that global warming is happening? No. But does that mean we shouldn't be trying to do what is in our power to prevent it? Because to me what you are saying is that its all a myth being perpetuated by the left, so why do anything.

[Squatch]

kyoto was a farce. sorry, but it's true. hardly anybody met their kyoto numbers.

[Adolf Allerbush]

kyoto was a farce. sorry, but it's true. hardly anybody met their kyoto numbers.

Its a bummer that not all of the countries who agreed to sign the Kyoto Protocol acheived the reductions that it set to. Nevertheless, I think it's a step in the right direction.

[MassLiberal]

I'll repost this.

I'm curious to know how many of the Republicans on the board would change their minds if bush did a 180 on climate change??

Bush set for climate change U-turn


Downing Street says that belated US recognition of global warming could lead to a post-Kyoto agreement on curbing emissions

Gaby Hinsliff, Juliette Jowit and Paul Harris
Sunday January 14, 2007
The Observer

George Bush is preparing to make a historic shift in his position on global warming when he makes his State of the Union speech later this month, say senior Downing Street officials.

Tony Blair hopes that the new stance by the United States will lead to a breakthrough in international talks on climate change and that the outlines of a successor treaty to the Kyoto agreement, the deal to curb emissions of greenhouse gases which expires in 2012, could now be thrashed out at the G8 summit in June.
The timetable may explain why Blair is so keen to remain in office until after the summit, with a deal on protecting the planet offering an appealing legacy with which to bow out of Number 10.

Bush and Blair held private talks on climate change before Christmas, and there is a feeling that the US President will now agree a cap on emissions in the US, meaning that, for the first time, American industry and consumers would be expected to start conserving energy and curbing pollution.

'We could now be seeing the beginning of a consensus on a post-Kyoto framework,' said a source close to the prime minister. 'President Bush is beginning to talk about more radical measures.'

The move will be seen as part of a wider repositioning of the Bush government after its comprehensive defeat in last autumn's mid-term elections.

A change of heart on the environment was signalled earlier this month when the US administration unexpectedly announced that polar bears were now an endangered species because their habitat in the US state of Alaska had suffered from melting ice sheets caused by global warming. The government is now required to act on threats to the bears' survival. The EU has its own so-called cap and trade scheme, under which industries are given a quota of carbon dioxide emissions: if they exceed the limits, they must pay for extra credits that can be bought from cleaner industries - an incentive to firms to go green.

Downing Street is increasingly confident that the arguments pushed by Sir Nicholas Stern, author of the recent Treasury report on the cost of global warming, that doing nothing will eventually prove more costly than trying to avert catastrophe are now gaining in momentum. However, Stern warned: 'The US will work it out for itself. Nobody will be telling them what to do, and nobody should.'

Downing Street now expects a broad agreement between EU countries on a successor treaty to Kyoto to be thrashed out at the EU spring council, paving the way for an agreement at the G8.

Blair was also told in meetings with senior senators late last year that they would seek to push through measures on global warming which had been repeatedly blocked by the Republicans before the mid-term elections cost Bush's party control of both Houses of Congress.

But another source close to the negotiations warned that Bush had previously appeared to give ground on climate change, only to fail to make real concessions. The best hope could lie with a post-Kyoto deal for 2009, the source said - by which time Bush will be out of office.

Kurt Davies, research director on climate change for Greenpeace USA, said climate change was now expected to be one of the keynotes of the State of the Union address.

'The sands are clearly shifting on climate change for this administration, but there has to be a concrete follow-up,' he said. 'We were shocked last year when he talked about the US being addicted to oil, but then there was no follow-up to that.'

[altachic]

kyoto was a farce. sorry, but it's true. hardly anybody met their kyoto numbers.

DTM here, too lazy to log AC out:


Kyoto is far from from perfect, but so were the many earlier versions of the Montreal Protocol that stopped far short of the current outright ban on CFCs. The scale of the problem is larger for GHGs, but there is still no reason why the same basic process that led to Montreal can't work for GHGs.

[warthog]

What would you need to have "definitive proof" of global warming? Is it going to take an average global temperature increase of 5 degrees? how about 10? how about 20? Is there 100% certainty that global warming is happening? No. But does that mean we shouldn't be trying to do what is in our power to prevent it? Because to me what you are saying is that its all a myth being perpetuated by the left, so why do anything.

I have no doubt that Global Warming is occuring. I have much doubt that I am the cause of it. That is what I said in the prior post.


Look, it is America's fault 99.99% of the time anyway, so I am probably way off base. As far as what George Bush says, who gives a fuck? Is this really a Republican vs. Democrat issue? I don't fit either of those stereotypes, and I am not thoroughly convinced humans are causing it. I am pretty sure there are a lot of Republicans and Dems that feel the same way. Shit, a lot of my friends work for NOAA, or are involved in the Environmental Sciences. They don't know what is causing it either.

The problem is not black and white, like many would like to have you believe. The problem is then made much more complex when both sides put up data skewed to support their argument.

Environmentalists used to support their data and fight for their cause. Nowadays it seems like they spend more time supporting political agendas and fighting against opposing viewpoints. It is dissappointing to say the least.

[AstroPax]

What Global Warming?

It's my theory that global warming is caused by the huge amount of concrete that is being poured everywhere throughout the world. Like China, for example.

Parking lots, highways, byways, runways, buildings, etc.

Go to any big city. It's always warmer in the city vs. the surrounding countryside because all of that concrete holds-in the heat.

The warm concrete is skewing the averages, I just know it is!

-Astro

[rideit]

My point of view is that it is completely irrelevant as to the cause...but IFthe lack of action towards this phenomenon COULD be catastrophic to the human race, why NOT combat it, whatever the causation?

That is simply common sense. Someting sorely lacking in the partisan bullshit that fails to recognize that NOT adressing the isuue COULD spell disaster for our race, whereas ignoring the issue, regardless of the reasons for it, it a recipe for disaster, or even worse, no recipe at all.

Entiendo, todos?

[Jer]

But no statistic has shown me that I am causing it.

Mebbe you should look at some statistics.

Our analysis indicates that only the ALL ensemble is consistent with the observations at the P = 0.05 confidence level over a wide range of spatial and temporal scales. In addition, a detection and attribution analysis shows that the null-hypothesis of zero amplitude of both natural and anthropogenic signals can be rejected in a two-way regression (10). We conclude therefore, that both anthropogenic and natural factors are required to account for 20th century near-surface temperature change. link

[AstroPax]

Mebbe you should look at some statistics.

Our analysis indicates that only the ALL ensemble is consistent with the observations at the P = 0.05 confidence level over a wide range of spatial and temporal scales. In addition, a detection and attribution analysis shows that the null-hypothesis of zero amplitude of both natural and anthropogenic signals can be rejected in a two-way regression (10). We conclude therefore, that both anthropogenic and natural factors are required to account for 20th century near-surface temperature change. link

Our sun will burn-out...fizzle...in approximately 5 Billion year. At which time everyone will be complaining about GLOBAL COOLING.

We should heat-up the earth NOW, as much as we can, therefore extending the life of the planet as we know it!

Don't be so greedy and short-sighted. Think of the future, and what we can do NOW for all of those poor bastards that will be freezing their asses-off in 5 billion years!

-Astro

[Jer]

Actually, the Sun will torch the Earth when it goes red giant. There won't be anything left to cool down afterwards.

[rideit]

Astro, do you honestly believe that the planet has the resources to sustain human like longer that a few hundred more years?
You are a VERY deluded person, if you truly believe that. There simply isn't enough planet to sustain our cancerous growth upon it, technology or not.

You are living in a fantasy world of sustainability.

(I am well aware your post was completely tongue in cheek, BTW)

[AstroPax]

Actually, the Sun will torch the Earth when it goes red giant. There won't be anything left to cool down afterwards.

Oh, yeah, OK. So ultimately, global warming is inevitable, reagrdless.

-Astro

[iceman]

Actually, the Sun will torch the Earth when it goes red giant. There won't be anything left to cool down afterwards.

Bullshit. I got a hundred bucks that says it never happens, put up or shut up, dude.

[AstroPax]

(I am well aware your post was completely tongue in cheek, BTW)

I don't really care about humans. Most are assholes anyway.

It's the cockroaches and rats that I'm worried about.

-Astro

[Blurred]

By the time global warming becomes a problem we need to address, we'll be living on another planet in the universe.....and Dex will still be a total douche.

[rideit]

By the time global warming becomes a problem we need to address, we'll be living on another planet in the universe.....and Dex will still be a total douche.

What, you mean like today?
You have a condo on mars yet?
I didn't think so.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Why not address it right now, regardless of the veracity of the theory? To NOT do so would be....willfully ignorant.

(PS...who is your new avatar?)

[Lone Star]

and Dex will still be a total douche.

so, it's, like, a constant? does it have a symbol, like pi or e?