Midfat vs. Cross ski, & a quiver question

[seldon]

here's the rundown i guess.

i'm 6' and only 145lbs. i'm young (22) and have been skiing all my life, so i certainly ski aggressively, but i don't weigh much. i rode the allstars in 175, and i couldn't make them feel unstable. (this surprised me, i was expecting to like them in 182 better) my fat skis are legend 8800's at 178 and they serve me extremely well in soft snow and powder. at 88mm underfoot, that's the fattest ski i've spent significant time on. (i've spent about half a day each on the scratch bc's and pocket rockets)

i just think it's a bit rediculous to claim that 70mm is too narrow for an east-coast ski.

Why the fuck would it being ridiculous have anything to do with this argument?

[Adamantium]

Why the fuck would it being ridiculous have anything to do with this argument?

he asked for some more info on me, so i gave it.

my second comment was in response to earlier statements in the thread where he suggested that a wider waist would be much better even for a east coast ski.


is there still confusion?

[Damian Sanders]

here's the rundown i guess.

i'm 6' and only 145lbs. i'm young (22) and have been skiing all my life, so i certainly ski aggressively, but i don't weigh much. i rode the allstars in 175, and i couldn't make them feel unstable. (this surprised me, i was expecting to like them in 182 better) my fat skis are legend 8800's at 178 and they serve me extremely well in soft snow and powder. at 88mm underfoot, that's the fattest ski i've spent significant time on.

i just think it's a bit rediculous to claim that 70mm is too narrow for an east-coast ski.

I guess it depends on your style, but I don't even have a 70mm ski. My narrowest is 73mm, and that's a lifted gs-style ice skate. I also find that a sub 80mm ski is too narrow to make GS style deep carves on in mixed snow. My narrowest normal ski is the PE at 85mm....most of them are around 90mm.

In all seriousness, most people I ski with and see around are on skis in the 80-90mm waist range....just normal advanced level skiers doing all-terrain freeskiing in VT. Some people are on something narrower, but it's like a B2 or other all terrain ski, not a carving ski like the allstar. Most people skiing the 6* or allstar around here are on it as a groomer ski specific ski, or they are just gapers (not a dig, it's just that you see many over-equiped gapers around here on the 6*, etc). Then there's the bump skiers, who ski bump skis all the time.

At the end of the day, a 70mm carving ski is not a good all around east coast ski, period, if you are truely skiing all around.

At 145 lb, I'm sure you can make the 175 allstar work fine for you, and sure they won't feel unstable - they're built for decent speed and have metal. But wider skis are typically designed to be better on rough terrain. The 8800 is a great ski, but it's more of a powder/soft snow midfat. The heads, stocklis, etc sort of split the difference.

And yes, even on a good snow year you hit rocks all the time. That's why I stress durablity soooooo much. If you're skiing off trail all the time, you sort of need a dedicated tree/rock ski.

[Adamantium]

II also find that a sub 80mm ski is too narrow to make GS style deep carves on in mixed snow.

i've been doing exactly this on original K2 Four's for the last 4 years, so i guess that's where we differ.

[Damian Sanders]

i've been doing exactly this on original K2 Four's for the last 4 years, so i guess that's where we differ.

Not having seen you lay out a carve, I think our idea of "GS" and "mixed snow" might differ by quite a bit.

I haven't seen a pair of 4's around here for about 2-3 years....that ski is 10 years old. I think you're just not used to fat skis yet.

Another point to note, is that a 70mm wide, softer, straighter, longer freeskiing ski is going to be much better all around than a 70mm carving ski such as the allstar......east or west. But most freeskiing skis these days are wider.

[Tony]

70mm. may be narrow as 1-ski EC quiver.

Given the fact that the OP has already a 88mm ski., a 70mm boilerplate carver might be just what he needs to round up a 2-ski EC quiver.

He doesn't need another 80-90mm. waist ski.

[Damian Sanders]

70mm. may be narrow as 1-ski EC quiver.

Given the fact that the OP has already a 88mm ski., a 70mm boilerplate carver might be just what he needs to round up a 2-ski EC quiver.

He doesn't need another 80-90mm. waist ski.

Since you don't ski in the east, maybe you should stop giving advice about east coast skis? Thanks.

[Tony]

Still talking out of your ass, kiddo.

I did and do ski very frequently in the EC, specifically in Killington and Sugarbush.

As well as in the west, Alps and the Andes.

Which is more than you can ever say for your type of skiing, park boy.

[Damian Sanders]

Still talking out of your ass, kiddo.

I did and do ski very frequently in the EC, specifically in Killington and Sugarbush.

As well as in the west, Alps and the Andes.

Which is more than you can ever say for your type of skiing, park boy.

Well, I suggest you stop giving bogus advice then. You obviously don't ski with aggressive eastern skiers, don't know what people are skiing on, and what works well in the east. Thanks!

[Tony]

I will when you send that promised pic of your ex-gf nude.

Edit to reply to Damian's own edit: From what I've seen whenever I am around there, Volkl Allstar and AC4 work pretty well, specially in this lousy thin season. You obviously don't know what aggresive is. Shouting "Jong" on the Internet is not, trust me.

[Damian Sanders]

I will when you send that promised pic of your ex-gf nude.

Edit to reply to Damian's own edit: From what I've seen whenever I am around there, Volkl Allstar and AC4 work pretty well, specially in this lousy thin season. You obviously don't know what aggresive is. Shouting "Jong" on the Internet is not, trust me.

For every pair of allstar's or 6-star's I see on the feet of a "good" skier, I see 20 to 50 pairs of midfat freeskiing/twintip skis in the 75-90mm range. I see AC4's around a reasonable amount.

Again, the 5-star/6-star/allstar has historically been the top gaper ski of choice in the east. I see more people gaping it up on that ski than any other higher end ski.

Maybe you're a gaper and you don't know it? Alot of people on epicski have that problem, so it's certainly not rare. It's possible......?!

Next time you're at Killington, let me know and we can do some destructive testing on those AC4's.

[Tony]

I will...


if you post those promised pics of your ex-gf nude.


And rgd seeing 20 to 50 pairs of midfat freeskiing/twintip skis in the 75-90mm range for every pair of Allstars, that's cause you spend most of your time in the park, kiddo.

What's a gaper?

[Damian Sanders]

I will...


if you post those promised pics of your ex-gf nude.

Seriously, you sound like a fool for like the 20th time in this thread. You can't distort shit here. I clearly said I wanted specs on your AC4 setup, before I would post pics........I see no specs. Go back and read the thread!!!

[Damian Sanders]

What's a gaper?

It's a gapper that doesn't make it.....

[Tony]

Truth is......






You never had a girlfriend, don't you?

[Damian Sanders]

Truth is......

You never had a girlfriend, don't you?

You are such a moron.

Ex is a stripper (started after we broke up), and I have tons of nude pics of her. She does read this board occasionally, so I would only post pics that have previously be put up on the 'net (no face).

It's too late now....you missed your chance.

[Tony]

Ex is a stripper (started after we broke up).

LOL.

What a loser!

Did your gf really left you to become a stripper??

How lower than that can you get, kiddo?

No wonder you are such an angry and sad teenager.

[Damian Sanders]

LOL.

What a loser!

Did your gf really left you to become a stripper??

How lower than that can you get, kiddo?

No wonder you are such an angry and sad teenager.

Actually, I suggested it....she is my ex after all.

Again, I have no idea how you can be such a fool. Nobody is this retarded. You have to be an alias. I bet you're actually Highway Star, pretending to be a gaping asshole just to pick fights with people. Seems like something he would do. Am I right? Either him, or somebody else....YOU HAVE TO BE AN ALIAS!!!!

[Tony]

Shit

I kind of feel sorry for you now.....


























....not.

P.S.: I told you before, neither Uncle whatever nor Highway Star, just Tony.

[Damian Sanders]

Shit

I kind of feel sorry for you now.....


....not.

P.S.: I told you before, neither Uncle whatever nor Highway Star, just Tony.

Nah, maybe you're Cyber Cop, BlurredElevens, or one of the other characters who has twenty aliases. I'm still betting on Highway Star. I've read your post history, and you can't be for real. You're certainly not a real person.

[crashnburn'd]

Nah, maybe you're Cyber Cop, BlurredElevens, or one of the other characters who has twenty aliases. I'm still betting on Highway Star. I've read your post history, and you can't be for real. You're certainly not a real person.

XXXTREME burn!

[Tony]

Shit.

You busted me.

I am not a real person.

All this text is being generated by specially generated software wrote to locate and mitigate aggressive teenage rants on the Internet.

[El Chupacabra]

This message is hidden because Tony is on your ignore list.

[Steven S. Dallas]

Frankly, I can't decide which of these posters is a bigger idiot, so I'm just going to put them both on ignore and let God sort it out.

[dogwonder]

I swear this started off as a serious legitimate question.