Mantra, Seth, or BC?

**wizard604** · 09-22-2006, 06:23 PM

+4 will give you some quickness for the tight spot w/o sacrificing much float. That's have I have mine mounted for the same reasons.

**skiitsbetter** · 09-22-2006, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by skifree

mindthegap, for an all mountain ski for you, i wouldn't go 189

I also wouldnt go 100+mm underfoot. It is Sunshine Village afterall. Sure they get EDIT:30ft of snow /year, but only in small dumps (10-15cm at a time), and part of the reason that the total is so high is because the season lasts from November into late May. Also 100+mm is a lot to swing around on the hardpack and chop days.

Greame (mindthegap) is on some Scratch pros, not the FS or the BC. He probably doesnt like them because they are centre mounted, so he doesn't have as much tip in front of him as he would like. I wouldn't eliminate the BC's Graeme, you aren't looking for a dedicated powder ski, but more of a fat all mountain ripper. Sunshine just doesn't get the big dumps to warrant going with a pure powder setup.

**skiitsbetter** · 09-22-2006, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Toby

This forum feels like invasion of the biglines kids in the last couple of days. One of you guys isn't called S4L by any chance? Obviously not the skinny 170lb one.

No none of us are the infamous S4L, the guy who skied Purple Bowl at Louise all by himself, with no avalanche gear (oh yeah, a cell phone turned on!!!!) whatsoever.

**salomon_gun** · 09-22-2006, 07:39 PM

ta graeme i would go for the Bc's or maybe the pocket rockets they are grear skis for everything and the rockets ski better in bounds then my 70 bandits b1

**skifree** · 09-22-2006, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by skiitsbetter

I Sure they get 10ft of snow /year, but only in small dumps (10-15cm at a time)

30 ft maybe..

**skiitsbetter** · 09-22-2006, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by skifree

30 ft maybe..

Yeah lol. But still stretched out over 7 months. I dont see the point of going 100+mm for an all conditions ski...

**mindthegap** · 09-23-2006, 12:01 AM

i just love the new graphics on the new seth...

the bc is looking strong, but before i make any descions i want to hold each ski in my hand and feel how heavy, the flex, and look at the sidecut to see what the deal is

**skiitsbetter** · 09-23-2006, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by mindthegap

i just love the new graphics on the new seth...

the bc is looking strong, but before i make any descions i want to hold each ski in my hand and feel how heavy, the flex, and look at the sidecut to see what the deal is

The problem is that you can really only determine the for-aft flex which has no effect whatsover (or very little) in turning compared to tortionaly rigidity. Tortional rigidity how well the ski resists twisting when you turn, the less tortional rigity you have, the easier the ski is to turn, but the less edge grip you have. The greater the tortional rigidity, the harder the ski is to turn, but you arent going to lose that edge. For-aft flex is more important for powder and how well your skis float to the top, where you would want softer, or whether you are busting crud and chop where you would want it stiffer.

Again the 20m-27m sidecut range is what you would expect out of those skis, you actually want less sidecut for more powder, the sidecut is just to save your ass when going all mountain. I mean you could try to combine an 85mm waist with a 16m sidecut, where you would get an Atomic Metron, but they have to compensate the increased size of the tips by increasing the tortional rigidity to the point where they are almost impossible to steer correctly.

**mindthegap** · 09-23-2006, 01:20 PM

ok.....

none of that will make a Huge difference however..its not like i could ski any of those..and there all good at there own things..

also, how do alpine trekkers fit on scratch 100 bindings???

**skiitsbetter** · 09-24-2006, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by mindthegap

ok.....

none of that will make a Huge difference however..its not like i could ski any of those..and there all good at there own things..

also, how do alpine trekkers fit on scratch 100 bindings???

Wouldn't they fit the same way they do on all Axial/PX bindings? If you put the smaller heel riser up, it is fine, just a bit awkward for flats.

**Jim S** · 09-24-2006, 06:12 PM

To reiterate, 189 Seth Vicious + 3 was my ski 85% of the time last year. I ski all terrain on the mt but about 90% or more off piste.

**mindthegap** · 09-24-2006, 06:36 PM

do the SV get any kind of chatter at high speeds?

**mindthegap** · 09-24-2006, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by skiitsbetter

Wouldn't they fit the same way they do on all Axial/PX bindings? If you put the smaller heel riser up, it is fine, just a bit awkward for flats.

im not sure, but ive read to many bad reviews about trekkers to buy any. It just seems like a money pit. Real AT bindings seem 100% better, an consitering even if we go in the park, thats such a small amount of time it really doent matter.

**Jim S** · 09-24-2006, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by mindthegap

do the SV get any kind of chatter at high speeds?

FYI I'm 6'2" and 190 lbs.

I ski very fast. The tips do chatter but it's does not upset the ski or skier; I don't feel it detracts from the SV. I would hypothesize the tips soak up the bumps and jolts and smooth out the ride. I have never felt that this has ever held me back when I rail. If anything, I find the SV confidence inspiring.

(I ski faster on my Dynastar Leg Pros: those skis are bomber at speed but for crud and soft stuff I prefer the Vicious. The LPs hold a better edge and are better on groomers; Seths are better in pow and I like them better in crud).

189 are some work in tight trees but fine; the 179 SV are child's play in the trees and bumps.

**mindthegap** · 09-24-2006, 07:15 PM

alright, thanks for your info jim

if you could have a 1 quiver ski, would the seths be it?

**gramboh** · 09-25-2006, 01:21 AM

Jim skis in Tahoe where there is a lot more pow/crud/soft snow days than SSV. SSV you are going to have a lot of hardpack rock solid days especially if you are out 40 times. Going from a 168 Scratch to a 179/189 SV is going to be a lot more ski which will tire you out until you get used to it. It is managable but you will be miserable on the bulletproof icy pitches on the treeless parts of Goats eye/Lookout. I ski a Dyanstar 8800 in 188cm for SSV/Lake Louise, it is 89mm waist and I find it a good balance as its enough width for pow days when they happen (>30cm is very rare in one day) but skinny enough to hook-up well on hard pack/ice. You should check out things like the Mojo 90, Dynastar 8800, Line Prophet 90 and whatever Fischer's 90mm waist ski is. Volkl Mantra is another option. Try to demo if you can. You might be happy with the SV but unless you can try it first you won't be sure.

**verbier61** · 09-25-2006, 02:54 AM

180 mantra. I wrote a comparison of mantra and seth's some months ago on www.coreshot.com , and have tried the Bc in the past. If you like snappy skis, mantra for sure. And yes, the new fritschi freerides are improved, but still at risk in the park.

**Jim S** · 09-25-2006, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by mindthegap

alright, thanks for your info jim

if you could have a 1 quiver ski, would the seths be it?

Yes.

Tough call: it would my SV or LP. I'd give the nod to the SV because of the powder and cut-up pow that we have here. We do get days of hard snow and I prefer my LPs for that. But I find the SVs more confidence inspiring for pushing the envelope of my skiing on hard terrain.

But seeing the post above Gramboh, I think the LP have the edge on ice and hardpack (pun unintended) and the SV are OK when it gets more than firm.

But to make life hard for you, there is a thread about the Gotama and SV and on there somebody else thinks the SV are good on ice.
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=60364

**skiitsbetter** · 09-25-2006, 05:16 PM

I wouldn't say that the snow at Sunshine gets that hard. Because of the large percentage of natural snow, and the frequent small snowfalls, and no melt/freeze cycle until the spring, the snow usually remains soft. Yeah some runs get hardpacked and windblown, but they are usually predictable, and you can whip out the thinner sticks for those days, and avoid those runs when on big skis.

Oh and the Mojo 90s are cheap at Sundance ($600, vs. $1200 in ski Canada)

**mindthegap** · 09-25-2006, 08:01 PM

ok, well it seems that seths and bc's seem fairly similiar. And the mantras are the more everyday friendly.

i still have plenty of time to decide between the seths and bc's, seeing how they probably wont sell to fast. But the mantras will be gone quickly.
If anyone else has experiace with any of these skis, specially mantras. Please chime in your thoughts

**ekeli** · 09-26-2006, 09:01 PM

I don't think anyone has mentioned it but skier's in edmonton just got there k2's in this morning. I already picked up a pair of 179's and I didn't see any 189's.