Mantra, Seth, or BC?

[mindthegap]

So here's my situation. Im looking for a mid-fat ski in the 178-185 range. I've been reading around and seen lots of good feedback for the new mantras, but not so much for the new seths or rossi BC's. I was wondering if anyone had skied them and could give me some advice.

Also ive heard that the new Fritschi Freeride Plus are upgraded. Would these still be able to hold up sking 70% inbounds and 30% out of bounds. With very limited use, if any in the park.

[flatfive40]

I personally love my bc's. The o5 or newer 98 under foot ones. Very progressive flex, farily soft in the tip and tail but solid underfoot. Wide enough to float in pow and stiff enough to charge, I find them easier to ski going fast and making big turns in pow than trying to make slower turns in the trees. The sidecut makes them a little hooky in blower pow compared to other skis, but more fun on non-pow days. You can really rail on them on groomers if you keep the edges sharp. The only similar skis I have skied for comparison are Gotamas and ANTs, so my experience is a little limited, but I would pick the bc's over either if you are looking for a versitile mid fat.

[Steven S. Dallas]

Would these still be able to hold up sking 70% inbounds and 30% out of bounds. With very limited use, if any in the park.

They're "improved," but it's still not as durable as a regular alpine binder.

[milkman]

If you're in BC, also take a look at the Prior Original. I can't say enough great things about this ski. Prior still has a few pair of last years skis for cheaper than normal- www.priorskis.com

[mindthegap]

flat, when you said they dont ski trees very well what do you mean by that.
Also, about the fr+, what kind of beating. Like 15 foot drop to soft pack?

[mindthegap]

any other skis that are in that kind of range?

what about the naxos, how do they hold up in bounds?

[wizard604]

mindthegap, u better post some of your specs (ht, wt, what u currently ski, etc) ... It would be helpful in giving you the right advice.

[mindthegap]

Alright...
Im like 6 foot, 170ish. Right now im on Scratch 168.. and i dont like them

I ski SSV about 40 times a year and neeed this to be a ski for everyday, seeing how my scratches have little to no base left

[skiitsbetter]

Alright...
Im like 6 foot, 170ish. Right now im on Scratch 168.. and i dont like them

I ski SSV about 40 times a year and neeed this to be a ski for everyday, seeing how my scratches have little to no base left

And he's talking about the regular scratches (the white ones), not the FS. I think you are more around 184ish Graeme if not more, I'm 185cm.

[skifree]

170ish

i think he meant pounds

[mindthegap]

Peter, it definatly said 6 foot, and 170 was obvioulsy lbs...
but thanks for clearing that up

i also would have said scratch FS, but thanks for that to

[nutcase]

The Gotama would be better in powder than the BC but the BC is still tons of fun in the deep stuff. As an all around ski IMO the BC is way better than the gotama. I personally don't like the mantra at all but some people love it so who knows. I use the BC as an everyday ski and am very happy with it. But it will be somewhat lacking on the really deep days. I would def pick the BC for an everyday midfat over the got and the mantra

[mindthegap]

alright thanks.....

i just was wondering if more people had experiance with the new seth's

[Toby]

This forum feels like invasion of the biglines kids in the last couple of days. One of you guys isn't called S4L by any chance? Obviously not the skinny 170lb one.

[mindthegap]

thanks for the info Toby, lol

i know 50% of the ppl in this forum and they do have biglines accounts, but i couldnt tell you their names

[nutcase]

alright thanks.....

i just was wondering if more people had experiance with the new seth's

ya. Where the hell did I get the idea you were asking about the gotama? Sorry bout that

The Seth is a dope ski. IMO you would be stoked with either the seth or the BC.

[wizard604]

If you dont like the Scratch FS, then you prolly wont like the BC, cuz they have similar feel (rubbery). Havent skied the Mantra, but I have the SV's. Great ski in pow & soft, ok on the groomers, not so great on hardpack. More lively ski than the Rossi's. And yeah, they're dope!

[mountain_man]

Ill throwin a second for the 07' Seths. I've had mine for most of last season and all of the Aus season and i love emm(i was lucky and got the 07' Seths early). Snappy but definitly not stiff, that said there great in the trees or in open bowls like it when its soft. Id say 189 Seth mounted @ either +4 or +5. I've only skied the BC's for about a day and found them lacking the same pop and energy present in the Seths. The manters i haven't tried. mmmm only 110 day till i ski, but its only been 11 days since i last skied .

[mindthegap]

Alright, so the consensus is that i should go 189...for an everyday ripper?
wouldnt those be a little tankish in techincal sections and steep chutes?

[flatfive40]

The Gotama would be better in powder than the BC but the BC is still tons of fun in the deep stuff. As an all around ski IMO the BC is way better than the gotama. I personally don't like the mantra at all but some people love it so who knows. I use the BC as an everyday ski and am very happy with it. But it will be somewhat lacking on the really deep days. I would def pick the BC for an everyday midfat over the got and the mantra

I agree completely. The BC is a great ski, just not as good in pow as a gotama. The gotama is fatter, softer and has less sidecut so is better suited for the deep stuff; but all around id take the BC cause they do it all well and get somthing spatulesque for the big days. Mindthegap- I think they are a good tree ski but they dont like to slide turns as well as a gotama in deep snow, they feel a little more carvey, i think it has to do with the shape of the tail. I personally like the slidey feeling in the trees, it helps control speed and i feel like i can ski lines more smoothly.

I strongly reccomend the bc, IMO its a totally different feel than the fs and 1000% better. (I own both) I havent skied seths but ive heard nothing but good things so you probably wont go wrong either way. -cheers

[mindthegap]

alright thanks....

im gonna go look at both the seth and bc's seeing how the mantras dont come in for another 2 weeks.
is there muhc weight difference between the three...or is it pretty minor.?

[Bandit Man]

Own the 183 Gotamas and love them for deep and light, Skied the 179 Seth's last year and agree they are great in pow and crud, but found them lacking on groomers. Something about the progressive sidecut makes them great in pow, but funky (for me at least) when really using the edges. I dumped the 179 Seth's in the spring and have since picked up last year's Scratch BC in a 185, but haven't skied them yet. I'm actually looking for something "easy" since I have Got's and LP's in the quiver. My two cents and my thanks for the beta on the BC's.

[mindthegap]

how do they seths handle themselves in the glades/steep midalpine terrain..
i know that the mantra is awesome and the bc is questionable.....
but seeing how the seth is "big mountain" how does it stack up?

[skifree]

mindthegap, for an all mountain ski for you, i wouldn't go 189

[mindthegap]

i know...179 is plenty

especially at sunshine, when we are gonna be doing lots of steeper stuff and tighter stuff..
where would you want to mount the binding...
just midsole?for all mountain