New Season, New Tires, New Thread

[Shredhead]

now days I buy a DHR II in DD and an Assguy in DD when i can get them on sale and I change them when the small sipes or the side knobs dissppear which is about once a season coincidently also when the traction gets sketchy

This is what I'm running currently and haven't quite made it through the season. Anyone seen sales on these yet?

[XXX-er]

not really ^^ IME there are usually SO many maxxis tire choices on a web site that you just wana make sure you are ordering/ getting what you really want and don't forget about the duty ect, I am chosing to wait and see wtf happens

[HotSchmoo]

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Good rubber matters most on hard surfaces (roots, rocks) that are firmly attached to the ground. The slipperier those surfaces are, the more good rubber helps. The more youre riding in loose material (sand, gravel, loam), the less the rubber compound matters.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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The problem with hard rubber is that its great mid summer when everything dry and loose, but then when fall rolls around and everything is slipperier, you want to replace it with something sticky. But the hard rubber is barely worn at all because those things last forever. So then you have this internal monologue about whether you really want to spend $100 on a new tire just to get better traction on roots when you already have a tire mounted up thats barely worn at all. And then you say fuck it, Ill just run the hard compound because its fine and I already own it. And then you go for a ride in October where everything is greasy from the frost the night before and youre floundering all over the place and crashing a little bit, and you start asking yourself if a better tire would fix this, or if you just kinda suck at bikes, which leads to a momentary crisis where your entire existence is slightly in question. But then your friend crashes right in front of you, so you can at least tell yourself that youre in good company. But you still go home after the ride and spend some money on a stickier tire, even though you know that its not going to help *that* much.</p>
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Haha yep I agree

[evasive_MT]

Sharing an update: here’s what my Albert Gravity look like after about 400 miles, including some park days. Ultrasoft in front, soft in back. They’re holding up pretty well.

I didn’t want the 2.6 but due to availability that’s what I have. They’re not a plus-size 2.6 and measure out closer to 2.5. I have a pair in the 2.5 but I figured I’d use these up first.

They roll fast. I came from a KrF/Xy combination, and started overshooting jumps. I have another pair of those Contis that I’ll probably put on for my next desert trip. I really liked that combination if I didn’t need a hard-braking rear tire. It was perfect for Moab. It might be hard to give up the radial construction, though. The sensation is noticeable. I’ve read underwhelmed opinions online, but everyone I’ve talked to in meat space agrees they reduce the chatter.

[EWG]

Good rubber matters most on hard surfaces (roots, rocks) that are firmly attached to the ground. The slipperier those surfaces are, the more good rubber helps. The more youre riding in loose material (sand, gravel, loam), the less the rubber compound matters. The problem with hard rubber is that its great mid summer when everything dry and loose, but then when fall rolls around and everything is slipperier, you want to replace it with something sticky. But the hard rubber is barely worn at all because those things last forever. So then you have this internal monologue about whether you really want to spend $100 on a new tire just to get better traction on roots when you already have a tire mounted up thats barely worn at all. And then you say fuck it, Ill just run the hard compound because its fine and I already own it. And then you go for a ride in October where everything is greasy from the frost the night before and youre floundering all over the place and crashing a little bit, and you start asking yourself if a better tire would fix this, or if you just kinda suck at bikes, which leads to a momentary crisis where your entire existence is slightly in question. But then your friend crashes right in front of you, so you can at least tell yourself that youre in good company. But you still go home after the ride and spend some money on a stickier tire, even though you know that its not going to help *that* much. edited to remove apostrophes. This site sucks so much.

Hilarious.

Or you could just move to Colorado or Utah and never ride when its wet.

[HotSchmoo]

How does that not feel like dragging a boat anchor everywhere?

Traction vs rolling resistance is always a tradeoff.
I think I've seen you live in Missoula? I've only ridden there once but it seemed very non technical and more about logging miles, so yeah fast tires make sense.
My area has sort of a dichotomy in trail character. Either super mellow XC and flow trails or steep rocky gnar without much in between.
So i ride an old hardtail with a worn Maxxis Ardent in front and a semislick 2.2 gravel tire rear. Fast bike but terrifying in any tech.
The big squishy bike has big tires with softer rubber and much more aggressive tread pattern. Slow uphill but it rides the steep rocky stuff great.

[D(C)]

With the return of rain and tacky dirt, I switched the Argotals out for my old Kryptotals, which are DH casing Super Soft. In comparison, the Kryptotals feel like XC tires - I didn't realize how slow the Argotals rolled. In corners, the Kryto Fr feels like it has a rounder profile than the Argotal, with less drift and catch. This works well on supportive dirt, but it is harder to feel what the tire is doing, typical of a tire with intermediate knobs. I might try a Krypto Re on the front next - I have a freshie ready to go in the closet.

[evdog]

The problem with hard rubber is that its great mid summer when everything dry and loose, but then when fall rolls around and everything is slipperier, you want to replace it with something sticky. But the hard rubber is barely worn at all because those things last forever. So then you have this internal monologue about whether you really want to spend $100 on a new tire just to get better traction on roots when you already have a tire mounted up thats barely worn at all.

When I lived in BC I would always put a new soft compound front tire on for winter riding. Throw the one I took off the front onto the rear whenever the existing rear wore out.

[XXX-er]

sounds pre-mullet ? i think to self I do not really need to change this tire but if I crash that might be false economy and besides I can afford a new tire once a season which is only 7 months

next time you swap out identical tires weigh the old and new to see how mucg rubber you left out there I think with the rear DHRII DD it was 110 grams of rubber shed

[Spencer123]

I put on a kryptotal Front and love it. It has the soft compound. I want to put one on with super soft for the fall and winter up front I am realizing. If I move the Kr Front to the back, what am I giving up compared to spending the money on a rear? It would be nice not to buy two new tires since the one I have is in excellent shape, but I don’t totally understand the differences. Thanks!

[stuckathuntermtn]

its simple 85nm from the Shimano and now 100 nm with the Bosch motor

Maxxis seem to come on a lot of new bikes I was once on a group ride where I checked and all but one of nine riders were on maxxis

Maxxis came stock on my yeti and on 2 SC Eebs, new maxxis always seem to instal easily with a shop pump

no flats since at least 2018

Oh, see I still have self respect so no motor.
Also banned on non-motorized trails here.

Traction vs rolling resistance is always a tradeoff.
I think I've seen you live in Missoula? I've only ridden there once but it seemed very non technical and more about logging miles, so yeah fast tires make sense.
My area has sort of a dichotomy in trail character. Either super mellow XC and flow trails or steep rocky gnar without much in between.
So i ride an old hardtail with a worn Maxxis Ardent in front and a semislick 2.2 gravel tire rear. Fast bike but terrifying in any tech.
The big squishy bike has big tires with softer rubber and much more aggressive tread pattern. Slow uphill but it rides the steep rocky stuff great.

I live in Missoula. We have No Rocks(tm). No idea where some little sidewall tears came from on some tires. Must have been magic.

[PlayItLeo]

I put on a kryptotal Front and love it. It has the soft compound. I want to put one on with super soft for the fall and winter up front I am realizing. If I move the Kr Front to the back, what am I giving up compared to spending the money on a rear? It would be nice not to buy two new tires since the one I have is in excellent shape, but I don’t totally understand the differences. Thanks!

I’d say you’d give up some rolling resistance and a bit of looseness from the rear end in corners, but would gain better braking. I ran Kryp FR both front and rear on my Levo for a season and just mounted up a new set, but this time went Fr and R. Only have one ride on them so far, but there was definitely more drift from the rear than I was used to with the FR combo.


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[Whiteroom_Guardian]

Thank you evasive. I came in to ask about the radial Schwalbes and your review was perfect. I have been on Conti Kryptotal Fr and Rear (whatever the enduro casing is called) with inserts (CC pro rear and CCXC in the front) for a few seasons......but still feeling a lot of chatter and the rear is wearing out finally (insane long tread life compared to Maxxis).

Was a Maxxis fanboy forever > Got turned onto the Kryptotals.......holy shit amazing > Same dude who turned me onto the Kryptos is now telling me to get on the radials (as well as Evasive and many other peoples in person reviews).

Albert rear doesn't brake as well as Krypto though? Are you running inserts evasive?

I want the radial and I need braking power. Riding scary steep dusty pirate trails around here + the bike park at BS which is hyper loose.

[XXX-er]

" Oh, see I still have self respect so no motor. " thats what your wife said

[stuckathuntermtn]

" Oh, see I still have self respect so no motor. " thats what your wife said

I'm married?! Sweet!
Lol, that was funny

[XXX-er]

Gosh I fucked that up I mean your mom
of course they are interchangeable
In any case besides self respect there are things you don&#39;t need to care about on an Eeb and weight is one of them

[evasive_MT]

Thank you evasive. I came in to ask about the radial Schwalbes and your review was perfect. I have been on Conti Kryptotal Fr and Rear (whatever the enduro casing is called) with inserts (CC pro rear and CCXC in the front) for a few seasons......but still feeling a lot of chatter and the rear is wearing out finally (insane long tread life compared to Maxxis).

Was a Maxxis fanboy forever > Got turned onto the Kryptotals.......holy shit amazing > Same dude who turned me onto the Kryptos is now telling me to get on the radials (as well as Evasive and many other peoples in person reviews).

Albert rear doesn't brake as well as Krypto though? Are you running inserts evasive?

I want the radial and I need braking power. Riding scary steep dusty pirate trails around here + the bike park at BS which is hyper loose.

I’m not using inserts. I had CushCores for about a year when they first came out (2016?) but decided it wasn’t worth the headache for me. I just stick to gravity casings now.

The Albert brakes OK but I wouldn’t list it in the anchor category. The only Conti I ran in back was a Xynotal, so I can’t say for sure, but I’d imagine either Kryptotal would brake a bit harder than an Albert, at least in the loose. Radial Mary would be the ticket for late summer Big Sky, but they disappear as soon as they come in stock. I’m looking forward to them expanding the radial lineup next year.

I switched to MM/BB to ride at Silver earlier in the year, but I’m going to leave the Alberts on for this weekend at JH. There’s usually some fall like rake-n-ride connections that are super loose, so I’ll get to try them in that kind of condition.

[Whiteroom_Guardian]

Ok good to know. I have BNIB DH casing Kryptotal and Argotal that have been sitting on my shelf. If anyone wants them make an offer. I may say screw it and try Albert Radials front and rear in the gravity casing and ditch the inserts at first to see how they feel.

[g_man80]

Ok good to know. I have BNIB DH casing Kryptotal and Argotal that have been sitting on my shelf. If anyone wants them make an offer. I may say screw it and try Albert Radials front and rear in the gravity casing and ditch the inserts at first to see how they feel.

Why not try the radial front and keep what you like (Kryptotal?) for the rear? No rule saying you need to have the same brand front and back.